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nickMarch 29, 2024 2:00pm

wow what an undertaking! glad you stuck with it, and I think that’s a great attitude for trying something like this. sloppy as all hell? people love sloppy joes. aint nothing wrong with a sloppy joe. reminds of eating mardi gras beads covered in acid jelly and remembering i’m an old piano.

RyanMarch 29, 2024 11:32am

Alec this is awesome. Great chord choices. Such satisfying tensions and resolves in the melodies. Other than Carseat’s callout, I think you’ve got yourself something quite special here.

CarseatMarch 18, 2024 3:00pm

Love the darker timbre of this one. I think a word swap on “discretion”, when deliberate, would hit. A Fiona Apple move for sure.

RyanMarch 29, 2024 11:31am

Yes! Love this idea. “Intention” or “connection” showing up at some point would hit hard.

Il DuceMarch 29, 2024 8:49am

Great harmonies, great guitar sounds. Is that a B bender or a whammy I hear?

RyanMarch 29, 2024 11:21am

Thanks! Just a tremolo bar, yep!

RyanMarch 29, 2024 11:20am

Said it before and I’ll say it again—absolutely love your vocal harmony style. Excellent song concept, great work.

RyanMarch 29, 2024 11:15am

This is rad as hell. Great bass tone, great guitar additions throughout. This has so much character. I agree with Alex that it’s just the drums that could bring some more variety. Like maybe in the chorus it leaves the kit sound entirely and goes super electronic then returns to the kit sound in the post and verses. Cool frickin track.

Il DuceMarch 29, 2024 8:47am

Great tune, and the simplicity truly suits you well.

CarseatMarch 18, 2024 3:31pm

Your melodies are so great in this. I feel so motivated. I won’t forget what Clarence said.

Il DuceMarch 29, 2024 8:46am

Thanks so much for the feedback. The song just came in a rush…I don’t know why or how, I just rode the wave….

stonewindowMarch 24, 2024 6:32pm

I think you nailed this one. Simple and powerful. I like your guitar voicings.

stonewindowMarch 24, 2024 6:24pm

Beautiful song. Nice harmonies. Love the guitar licks. You do know what a progression is….

CarseatMarch 18, 2024 3:28pm

I like that you decided to keep this recording super homey, I think it totally adds to your vibe. Metronome-wise, yeah, there were certainly some moments in the song that could’ve used a bit more consistency in the tempo. You seem like you’d be a, “stomp the feet,” kinda player and I dig that for you. I do a little dance when I fingerpick too, it’s just what happens. For the fingerpicking question you had, it sounds like you’re really plucking at the strings — creates a nice timbre, but oftentimes I find that I can stay more consistent with the tempo when I soften up.

stonewindowMarch 18, 2024 6:07pm

Thanks you for this. I appreciate your feedback. Softening up is good idea.

stonewindowMarch 24, 2024 5:13pm

i took your softening up comment to heart. It’s really made things better for me. Thanks!

CarseatMarch 24, 2024 5:37pm

Oh fantastic!! Glad it’s helping!

alechutsonMarch 24, 2024 3:36pm

Great vibe to this song. I might try recording the guitar separately from vocals – you write very involved guitar parts, so unless you have it fully committed to finger memory then it’s going to be very difficult to play and sing it together in time, and that will also give you a chance to fully focus on vocal delivery and finger picking timing on separate takes.

stonewindowMarch 24, 2024 5:12pm

Alec? Is that your name? Thanks for your kind words and advice. You are on point. I’m a novice at recording, so I need to get to the point where I have the skill to record multiple tracks. Haha. All of these NCBC challenges are great training for me. Because of these challenges I learned the bare minimum of GarageBand. I’m ready to learn how to do multi-track recording. Thanks for listening and your feedback.

alechutsonMarch 24, 2024 3:31pm

Love how your tracks are always so varied and creative and yet always so You. Very inspirational.

Really into the wobbly synth and the contrast of your clean vocals. I think you did a great job with the different melodies. The lyrics sound great, even if they are mostly jibberish. Might be cool to see this track bloom into a full band section and then drop back into this vibe at the end.

alechutsonMarch 24, 2024 3:25pm

Very nice – takes me back to early 2010’s vibes. I think your lyrics, guitar playing and singing are quite effective. If I had to make a suggestion on your vocal delivery I would say to focus on consistent breath support – there were a few spots where I felt like your time was wavering because you were running out of breath. But in general, just keep playing and writing and singing 💪

CarseatMarch 18, 2024 3:19pm

I dig it! Your voice is quite lovely. I think your mix could benefit from a bit less low-mids in the guitar — when your voice gets more intense, having the brighter tone will help it rise with you. And if there’s aaaaany way you can quikly snatch a pick for those sections too, those chords could really ring.

alechutsonMarch 24, 2024 3:21pm

I agree on the mids/lows of the guitar — it gets a little boomy towards the end of the chorus in particular.

alechutsonMarch 24, 2024 3:10pm

I’m into the ambient sounds, I would maybe even lean into it more 👀

alechutsonMarch 24, 2024 3:02pm

Sometimes you have to lose the things you have come to rely on in order to grow! Personally I really dig this song, and I think you did a great job of differentiating between different sections. Sure it’s a little bit loose time-wise, but you could even argue that it’s an intentional choice.

alechutsonMarch 24, 2024 2:52pm

Oooh love your vocal quality on this one. Great little summer driving bop 🙂 similarly to @@nickI frequently don’t pick up lyrics until many listens in, but I do pay attention to how the words sound. I dig the little synthy melody too

alechutsonMarch 24, 2024 2:48pm

I also found myself philosophizing on what defined a chord progression… If you repeat or extend parts of sections is that still the same progression? If you change the quality of the chord is that still the same progression? If you reharmonize with the bass, or sing something in a different scale?

Very lovely song, I think you nailed it on this one. Loved the octave vocals, minimal percussion. Felt like something I would like to listen to while driving into the sunset.

alechutsonMarch 24, 2024 2:43pm

Really felt this one. I think the dry vocals contrasted really well with the round piano tone.

alechutsonMarch 24, 2024 2:36pm

Oooooh love the crunch in the guitar and the punchy bass line. Really nice guitar arrangement in general, very tasteful. I think having a bit more variation in the drums would help keep the piece engaging through the end – as is, for me it’s fantastic up until about 2:30 and then the last portion could use some additional variation. Great job working within parameters!

nickMarch 23, 2024 10:36am

Ehhh I think this is a pretty great example of adhering to the parameters. I love the progression, especially the resolve of that third chord. In regards to saying discretion too often, I don’t know what the answer is, but I wouldn’t ignore your compulsion to adjust it somehow, however creatively. Great melodies, well done!

nickMarch 23, 2024 10:07am

I mean, hard to get away? We know you love your solo vacations. I’m also not an immediate (or ever) lyric recognizer. Still don’t know the words to many of my favorite songs. But there’s a lot of words and phrases for me to grab in to. Like 6 on a Saturday. 11 late. I really do like this one. This assignment was kind of made for you. I know singing and recording your vocals came a little later in the game for you, so it’s easy to just coat them with effects, which is something I still grapple with. But point is, you’ve developed a really great singing tone that is best served straight—more valuable than any silly-adjacent effects. And the full band sound on this is pretrt strong. Less is more may be a takeaway from this one. Nice work!

nickMarch 23, 2024 9:53am

I think I have to start with a kudos shoutout to @@zoya for some sweet and savory and umami background vox. The melody throughout the chorus needs nothing else. What’s a chord progression? A progression of chords. Tweaks to the melody? Mayyybe just simplifying a few of the more wordy phrases “a little always falling to the ground” and things in that spot earlier… maybe I just want a little dynamic variety throughout those phrases to sink them into the groove a bit more. Nice work, you two.

nickMarch 23, 2024 9:44am

Well well well, dry vocals suit you quite nicely. Piano is luscious. Love the little timing tweak to the melody the last time through. And hey, I can relate—I think from both perspectives. Nice song.

nickMarch 23, 2024 9:28am

cool vibe right off the bat. Love a dirty dry bass led track. At first, I was like ok there are a thousand chords in this song, but reframing it as the bass as melody, I now see that it’s really just dancing around in between these two chords the whole time. There’s that sort of chorus/post chorus that just changes the time but keeps the chords in their original order which I think absolutely follows the rules. Super playful and a little grimy. Cool track. I definitely don’t think it gets boring.

nickMarch 23, 2024 9:24am

Lol yes pretty close! Definitely no reverb. To echo Carseat, great Melodie’s and harmonies and always a strong strum pattern. Nice song!

nickMarch 20, 2024 1:45pm

Love your description. Heck, just trying to make some music. And lol, me listening thinking this about your father or something, and then the reveal. Happened to be watching The Dynasty documentary, and well, I can relate to the feeling. As for the melodies, you may have a better understanding than you think you do.

I think there’s one note in there that needs tweaking—in the lead line at :24, I don’t have a guitar on me, but I believe that note should be a half step in either direction. Give it a go and see how it feels.

CarseatMarch 18, 2024 3:10pm

Dude — your voice is crazy good. That rasp you have is mmmmm….

Fingerpicking is such a lil beast — I myself am working on that one too. I recommend playing a quick little chord/lick with the thought, “All the notes and fingers are equally important,” and grappling with that exercise for a bit, then go, “The bass notes needs to be louder than the high notes” then tinker, then after that, reverse (make the high strings louder), and just loop around those mentalities for a while. I’ve found it helps me get more comfortable with all of my fingers and notes interacting together and sticking to a click. But yea — it’s never perfect, and I think imperfections make it so tasteful (as long as it’s otherwise controlled).

And I agree — handicap is a great idea, but I also appreciate the built-in flexibility everyone gives everyone.

nickMarch 20, 2024 1:40pm

Great idea! Keep shedding.

BenMarch 18, 2024 4:43pm

lol y’all cheated

BenMarch 19, 2024 1:57pm

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nickMarch 20, 2024 1:35pm

Cheating might be a harsh way to put it, and “y’all” might be a bit broad. I understand the frustration of challenging yourself to adhere strictly to the parameters while others may be less inclined. I think there’s probably a touch of verb on the tambourine sample I used, but that’s a compromise I had to make while balancing my sanity.

RmalMarch 19, 2024 6:30pm

Your tunes never fail to get me foot, tapping and grooving along with them. I love the bouncy, upbeat vibe, and the tune feels familiar after one listen. I love it. I don’t believe the mastering made it affect heavy. A great combination in the mix. I can’t say that I picked out the lyrics, but that’s typical for me. I hear the melody and get the vibe and it feels good. Love the acoustic drums in the intro, feels like an intimate coffee shop vibe. And your harmonist is spot on as usual. 🙂

BenMarch 18, 2024 4:42pm

This is so pleasant. Gives me Postal Service vibes. I’d be curious to hear what a big build throughout might sound like, kind of like Natural Anthem by aforementioned Postal Service. Or some complex drum loops that are distorted and filtered, but turned way low in the mix. Then again, this song doesn’t necessarily need any of that, as the simplicity and warm synth tones go a long way.

CarseatMarch 18, 2024 3:15pm

Ooooo this is such an interesting submission. I like its roughness… I see what you mean in your feedback remarks though, and I will say that I have also struggled with the balance of clean+rough in my mixes and production. For this tune, I found it hard to hear the downbeat of 1 given the unquantized guitar (especially with such an open rhythm) and vocal double, so in some way, giving the song a stronger wall to lean on would help it move along. That could be making the vocals super strong, adding a bass, adding some Radiohead-esque drums, etc. Almost like a spoken-word tune. I like it.

BenMarch 18, 2024 4:35pm

I’m gonna disagree with @@Carseat(ooooooh!) on the adding drums and bass—I liked the low-fi, unquantized hot New York summer feel to this whole thing. That said, if it’s being kept simple, I find shorter to be better—I could see this as a great ~2 minute interlude on an album to cool off after an intense song.

BenMarch 18, 2024 4:05pm

This is gorgeous! Will you tell us your secrets to that excellent piano tone? Your songs always sound super clean.

Thanks for the great prompt—this was super challenging, but definitely worth it.

CarseatMarch 18, 2024 3:23pm

I love that you chose to make a loop in 7 — it helps to diversify your vocal ideas so much. “Long legs and a daddy too” is SUCH a line. I think it’s one of those songs where its meaning determines its destination… so when you settle on one, you’ll probably get the other.

CarseatMarch 18, 2024 3:04pm

I dig the showtunes + mental space interaction, I always find these sorts of things so entertaining. I think some silly little hits would make the words spike out in a more intentional way and will create some more contrast. Like what if “Craigslist” had a massive BLONK on it.?. Also, I feel like silly lil piano trills will hit, just placed wisely.

CarseatMarch 18, 2024 2:53pm

Cute lil tune! I caught some of the words, but I wasn’t focusing too hard on them… if the meaning of it was, “life is hard but that’s okay,” then I think you’re right on the money with the vibes. The only mastering/mixing note I have is that your bass got really hot in the mix in some of the higher notes, so leveling those out will be nice.

stonewindowMarch 18, 2024 1:28pm

I love your song Julia. Sad song for sure and it’s about our human condition. We’re all it together. Sometimes silence. I do have the belief that the darkness leads us to light.

CarseatMarch 18, 2024 9:16am

That chorus melody is Butter. Love the country-folk twist. And I agree — the interpretation between the assignment and what the song wanted created such a happy lil tune.

CarseatMarch 18, 2024 9:14am

Oooohh.. those harmonies come in so nicely. It’s stuck in my head. Anythiiiing anythiiiiiiing. We love a sad song. And yeah — I empathize with the context for it. Silence can suck.

BenMarch 14, 2024 9:24pm

I wish there were capos for my vocal chords

nickMarch 17, 2024 9:28pm

if only this assignment allowed for pitch correction

BenFebruary 26, 2024 10:41am

wow! based on your description I was bracing myself for a stadium lead that wasn’t going to fit. But that was a really satisfying solo. Nice classic rock tone, and great playing and phrasing etc! I don’t know why, but it reminds me of Dean Ween’s guitar playing (but then again almost literally every song, including this, somewhat reminds me of Ween songs). Love that the solo comes back in at the ends too, after a great delivery of “frieeeennnd.”

In fact, i think I definitely like the lead tone more than the intro tone. Wondering what it would sound like if you used the lead tone for the intro solo, just maybe with a little volume and tone rolled off.

This is a really cool song. Sounds like the real deal. It sounds like a song by a classic legendary artist from a later era in their career that I’m not familiar with. Like Bob Dylan in…. 2002, or David Bowie in…. 1997, or Bruce Springsteen in… 1999? They’re broken, or newly sober, or divorced, or with a new band, and theyre trying a new vocal style . Oddly specific, but it kind of gives me those vibes. Ha.

Curious about your order of operations with tracking. Drums first? Drums over a click? Guitar first?

nickMarch 2, 2024 10:49am

I am also curious about order or operations.

RmalMarch 6, 2024 1:13pm

Thanks Ben. After the recording I thought about redoing the intro but wanted a get outta jail tone of the lead was perceived as too … something. Haha. Fear of failure is a lousy motivator.

order of ops. Noodled a progression on acoustic. Then on electric with dreamy effects. Then worked out a tempo. Then recorded a scratch rhythm track on electric with a metronome. Then recorded the drums. Once drums were done, recorded the actual rhythm guitar track. Then recorded the bass track. Then the intro lead. Then improvised the solo lead with the effect in headphones. I dug it and recorded one version. Then punched in a section right before the modulation. After all done I realized I needed a topic, lyrics and a vocal melody and I had an hour. So my old reliable dream visitor, boarder collie Ellie, became the subject. After used a free online mixdown service by bandcamp. Probly TMI

BenMarch 6, 2024 3:14pm

Ok interesting. So wait – are these acoustic drums? Or programmed drums? They’re real right? At some points I’m almost positive theyre real. Then at other times, I swear they’re software, especially some of those light cymbal hits.

Great track overall. I love the lyrics and the vocal performance. Way to somehow get that all done in an hour! jeez.

I have one more piece of feedback after listening some more. I think you could maybe add a little more to your bassline. Definitely don’t make it as busy as any of my basslines 😂, but i think it could use a few lines with passing notes leading to the next chord, and some thumbs to line up with the kick. Just to lock things in rhythmically and keep the song nice and glued together.

Once again, so well done.

RmalMarch 7, 2024 7:58pm

Love the feedback Ben. The drums are acoustic. And I mix the cymbals way back compared to the snare and kick. I was off in a few cymbal crashes so I recorded and overdubbed a few soft crashes. Still working out the whole drum thing but enjoying plowing thru. Your drums are always great sounding. And more bass lines is a terrific thought. I don’t have a clue on notes on the bass neck so I find myself just sticking to the notes I hit on guitar. Prob the instrument is so like to figure out but prob the one that scares me the most. When you screw up, it’s glaringly obvious. I’ll try to slide a bit more interest in.

CarseatFebruary 27, 2024 11:30am

I dig this…. feels I’m slow cooking some pulled pork at a bar while you’re in the corner singing and playing around… it’s giving Bob Dylan/Leonard Cohen/late David Bowie. My only constructive feedback is that I would love for the background to play with the solos and the lead a bit — countermelodies? quick little motif rabbitholes? Would be cute. I think that’ll also help tame your fear of having your solos sound too simple — it’s more of an enveloped environment.

alechutsonMarch 2, 2024 7:02pm

Sitting on the porch watching a cloudy sunset and sipping a beer, reminiscing

RmalMarch 6, 2024 12:55pm

Love the countermelody suggestion. You’re right – it could make solos less pressure and more fulsome. Thanks for the relaxing vibe comments

EliasSZFebruary 29, 2024 7:43pm

That lead feels great to me, predictable, but in exactly the way I’d want it to be – we’ve got this killer classic-rock-esque-tune and then this killer solo comes in, tone, playing, melody, and all. Great job. Also, that falsetto vocal on “friend” into the lead again was such a nice moment.

nickMarch 2, 2024 10:49am

Totally agree about the falsetto… did not see that coming and I think he nailed both of them.

RmalMarch 6, 2024 12:53pm

The guitar parts are where I invest all the worth in the song – always struggle to sound ok. But really appreciate the comments on vocals. The falsetto was pure improv and I’m lucky it didn’t crack the cocktail glass next to the mic. Haha

nickMarch 2, 2024 10:48am

Nice track, Rick! And kudos to you for fully recording the band parts. Excited for your transition from GarageBand to Logic. The ease of editing takes will leave a lot of room for whatever the heck else you want to do. Glad these assignments are prompting a deeper dive into the world of home recording.

RmalMarch 6, 2024 12:51pm

Thanks Nick. Love the site you guys created to give a pathway for this creative process. I look forward to the assignments

juliapikerMarch 2, 2024 3:09pm

Ooooo this is beautiful. Great submission. Pure song.

Love Darcy comment @@Carseat – It definitely makes me feel like i’m hanging in some Americana style bar just listening and drinking a beer. I think your vocal tone is really beautiful-broody-deep. I would embrace that- its great.

RmalMarch 6, 2024 12:49pm

Thanks – felt it was somehow less but that’s probably often how we feel. Really appreciate the note.

stonewindowMarch 5, 2024 7:53am

Felt like I went on the journey with you. I’m impressed that you improvised lyrics. You made a lovely tune. Guitar solo was tasty. Dig your vocal quality.

RmalMarch 6, 2024 12:47pm

Thanks – felt the vocal was bla. Appreciate the fact that what we assume one way is interpreted differently by folks. The beauty of this process.

RmalMarch 4, 2024 8:10pm

Love the stripped down sound. Feels early Neil Young. Like how you carry the words – not too long at all. It’s the tone of the song.

stonewindowMarch 6, 2024 11:35am

Thank you!

peterMarch 5, 2024 2:22pm

oh shit! @@agasthya so amazing to see this transform! love this original version too

CarseatMarch 3, 2024 9:43pm

What aboooouuuuuut….. guitar effects…??? o_0

BenMarch 3, 2024 9:59pm

Haha same question! If I turn my amp up too high and my guitar begins to OVERDRIVE is that an effect?!?

nickMarch 4, 2024 10:57am

Though there’s generally wiggle room with the parameters, I try to identify the spirit of the parameter and work within that. Others may be more compelled to look for loopholes, which is completely allowed. Follow your heart 💫

RmalMarch 4, 2024 7:17pm

I’ll take waaaayyyy overdriven amp as a no effort, just as god intended when he created tubes

nickMarch 5, 2024 10:33am

🤘

BenMarch 5, 2024 1:34pm

well said nick

BenMarch 5, 2024 1:32pm

I haven’t even started thinking about my song, but i really do already think this is the most quintessential ncbc prompt yet, and here is why:

It’s prescriptive, yet not narrow.

It’s highly accessible for all musicians at all levels.

It gets everyone out of their comfort zone, while not remotely asking them to do something that’s beyond their abilities.

It has the ability to generate both: songs that sound like an NCBC submission; or songs that sound like regular songs. Or both at once I guess, too!

It has some well-defined hard and fast rules, and while there is certainly plenty of room for interpretation or bending (as always!), the essence of the point of the prompt is abundantly clear and understandable.

If someone asks what NCBC is, I’d use this assignment as my example.

BenMarch 5, 2024 1:34pm

oh @@juliapikeri see you submitted this one. hell ya, good thinking. can not wait.

RmalMarch 4, 2024 8:29pm

Such an Irish tune – I feel the river dance folks until 1:20 – then it goes to a contemporary rappy vibe. Love the vocal layers. The vocals, subtle and engaging play off the solid back beat. Can’t say I can pick out one lyric – but that’s the magic – it’s the entire experience and it’s seamless.

RmalMarch 4, 2024 8:25pm

The vocals sound terrific. It’s inviting and draws me in. Like the incorporation of the synth 4:05 – subtle and cool. The stripped down vocal at 50 sec sound great. It’s an anthem.

RmalMarch 4, 2024 8:22pm

wow – superb production. Love the intro – grabs me right away. Takes that gravity to allow the remainder to sink it. The first few notes let the rest in. The beat is beyond my capacity to create but love how it’s weaves around. love how the piano parts play off each other at 1:11

RmalMarch 4, 2024 8:17pm

Love the stripped down recording. Read from your comments, it seems you’re feeling limited by recording tech, but I think it’s an honest take – picked notes and a clear smooth vocal. Love it.

RmalMarch 4, 2024 8:15pm

Been listening to this a lot. It’s a great tune!

RmalMarch 4, 2024 8:14pm

The breath at the beginning and the flute(?) sound is a great pairing. Defiantly picking up the improv vibe. Lot’s of unexpected turns. Liking the stripped down uke sounds paired with the mellotron. Spot on vocals as usual. Over all – unsettling – that’s a complement.

RmalMarch 4, 2024 8:07pm

Great production. Feels round and full. Love the complimentary beats and strong bass line. The synth at 1:50 is very cool. The solo is unexpected and a great compliment to the solid rhythm.

RmalMarch 4, 2024 8:04pm

Really liking the vocal – such an indie sound with layers. The build of the low frequencies fills the room at 2:00. Can’t say I pick up on the lyrics – not because they’re lost, it’s because they are stitched into the music so it’s one experience.

RmalMarch 4, 2024 8:00pm

Loving the jam band groove – thinking The Big Woo. Such a cool snare – the whole kit sounds studio. Especially love the the funk Guitar at 1:42 (I think that’s the time left in the recording). Great mix – so subtle but impactful.

RmalMarch 4, 2024 7:53pm

Had me at the first note. Love the air in the first verse. As I was listening, I was thinking ethereal – I listened first then read the note so you achieved it. That interesting scale, which is the reason for that unexpected but very cool note in the lead. Love the outro, and how it resolves to a full band from a very skeletal framework.

stonewindowMarch 4, 2024 7:35am

No reverb?

nickMarch 4, 2024 10:54am

no sir!

nickMarch 4, 2024 2:44pm

@right, julia?

nickMarch 4, 2024 2:44pm

right, @@juliapiker?

juliapikerMarch 4, 2024 2:46pm

Correct- No Reverb. No hiding behind effects or using them to enhance the quality of your track.

What happens when we strip down to the basics?

Like nick said- follow your heart.

stonewindowMarch 4, 2024 5:53pm

All good for me. I’m stripped down anyway. Just wanted to clarify.

RyanMarch 4, 2024 11:57am

Let’s see how this goes 😎

alechutsonMarch 2, 2024 6:27pm

Really digging the guitar instrumental sections and voicings! I think in terms of vocal phrasing, I always find it easier to improvise melodies first and then fit words to those melodies after, which gives me a chance to experiment and keep things fresh as the song evolves. Great job overall, looking forward to hearing your next submission

stonewindowMarch 3, 2024 11:36am

Thank you Alec. Do you start with chords before you improvise the melody? Thanks for your input and kind words.

alechutsonMarch 3, 2024 1:36pm

Often yes, but sometimes I like to switch things up and do them in a way I haven’t before

alechutsonMarch 2, 2024 6:57pm

Agreed with Nick – nice to see this different face of your songwriting! Very engaging and I love hearing the character come through in the delivery of the lyrics. In terms of drums, you can always start by getting some drum loops to sketch out the feel you are going for, and then chop/paste as you see fit

EliasSZMarch 3, 2024 12:59am

Thank you! It felt fun to stretch this songwriting muscle. Good idea to use loops to sketch it out – maybe I’ll try that for the next tune.

nickMarch 2, 2024 10:20am

Agreed to everyone’s comments. Love this slightly more comical side of your songwriting. Not over top, just hilarious and wonderful, not at the expense of the song’s quality. There are so many great parts to this—the comedy in the verses, the poppy repetitive sections in the chorus, the unique but relatable chord progression. I think yes, this is my favorite submission of yours so far. Others have certainly been great, though. Something about this is special. Give @@Ryan the stems and 20 minutes to make the drums. jk. you can do it, get to it!

EliasSZMarch 3, 2024 12:58am

Much appreciated Nick – glad you enjoyed. lol I won’t make @@Ryan do that, I just gotta dive in to drumville.

EliasSZFebruary 29, 2024 6:48pm

Really enjoyed this one, Ryan. Arrangement-wise, there’s a few moments where you use those distant background vocals really effectively before that outro section – I wanted a few more moments of that; they felt really dreamy and in the space of the assignment in a really nice way (i’m thinking like 1:52 for example). I could take a chorus harmony, but don’t feel the need for it entirely.

I don’t know exactly what I wanted or where, but I wanted some ambient sounds in the space you’re creating with some movement/filter/swirl/something, essentially to contrast with the strong rhythmic feel of the 5 throughout the tune. Maybe its cause I wanted to feel sleep/dreams in the distance even more, but think it could add some depth.

nickMarch 2, 2024 9:55am

I agree with some extended sounds that roll over the 5, that would be nice. They show up a little bit at the end of the chorus, so maybe just being a little less subtle with some of them.

RyanMarch 2, 2024 12:54pm

Yeah heck yeah good call-outs Elias.. That synth sound at 1:52 was something I was stoked to find. You’re right, that needs to be brought out more. I was happy with the plinky piano stuff that’s not directly on the 5 as well. But I think what’s gonna help most is a less strict drum part and a bass line that doesn’t outline the 5 so directly, as Nick had suggested.

EliasSZMarch 3, 2024 12:51am

Yeah Nick is right on the money with the bass line concept. Love it.

alechutsonMarch 2, 2024 7:08pm

This feels like such a pure acoustic piece/recording that I almost don’t want to comment on adding more instruments so that you don’t lose this quality.

However, there’s so many options with recording DAWs that I would just suggest using something that is readily available, learning it’s limitations concerning what you want to accomplish, and then researching which programs would be best suited for that. Personally I use Ableton and I love it, but I started on Audacity and then transitioned to Reason essentials (with a brief trial on ProTools) before landing where I am.

alechutsonMarch 2, 2024 7:01pm

L O L. I love this madness, would love to know what you’re whispering on both sides of my ears 😆 I love the callback to the weird Irish ditty in the outro. Works for me! If anything I might make the intro just a hair shorter

alechutsonMarch 2, 2024 6:51pm

I love this, from the first lyrics all the way through the end. Very relatable *social faux pas* dream ahaha. I think you did a great job with vocal processing and arrangements here, and your guitar/drums/bass are on point as usual. It was nice to hear some back and forth with whistling and guitar solo. Great job dude!

alechutsonMarch 2, 2024 6:47pm

Agree with Julia — I think a string arrangement for the chorus would be really impactful. Love the spacey verby drop out. This track feels like it could belong in the Lost in Translation soundtrack. Very lovely, comforting song, and I appreciated reading about your process

alechutsonMarch 2, 2024 6:33pm

This could go any number of ways with arrangement but also works quite nicely as a solo guitar/vocal piece. Nicely done!

alechutsonMarch 2, 2024 6:30pm

Eerie and beautiful from the first note. Such a unique sound and approach. I’m always a fan of the flute mellotron. The raspy quality in your voice really did it for me. Great scary job 🫣

RyanMarch 2, 2024 12:17pm

That change at 2:45! And 3:05! I think this shift is totally justified, doesn’t sound like your attention span did you dirty at all to me! This is an inappropriate comparison in many ways, but it reminds me of Stairway to Heaven in the way that it breaks off to a completely different song at some point. I honestly think it works.

Re: your questions — Title works. Slow part holds my attention, but I do think some rhythmic tightening would help. Because it’s patient and spacious, I don’t want anything disturbing the gentle force of that whole section. Mix I’d look to @@juliapiker or @@agasthya— their mixes are consistently quite good.

BenMarch 2, 2024 2:09pm

Thanks, Ryan! You’re saying it sounds exactly like the Greatest Song in the World—aight, I’ll take it! 😅 For real though, songs like Paranoid Android and Happiness is a Warm Gun that have multiple parts—I’m a sucker for that shit.

Re: Rhythmic tightening—thanks for bringing that up. With MIDI, there’s the easy habit of clicking the quantize button and locking it in. I wanted to break away from that and have it feel like it was played by a human in a room. Are you suggesting I dial that in and lock it in more? Finding that middle ground is tough!

juliapikerMarch 2, 2024 2:29pm

@@Ben Do you throw reverb on the master? Or do you have it on a separate aux bus as an insert into each stem?

I also wonder if you actually dropped the piano down an octave. Your voice feels bright enough where I’d be curious to hear it lower down. I think when the additional instrumentation comes in at 1:51- it starts to feel a little bit muddy. I think when it comes to mixing- every piece of the puzzle has to take up its own space in the puzzle. I would pull all the reverb off, and find where each instrument should exist prior to that.

I like your vocal style!! It’s really cool. Hi!!!!!

BenMarch 2, 2024 6:28pm

@@juliapiker When I mix I do a single bus for my vocals with compression/EQ/reverb, but in this case I wanted a different reverb setting for the chorus part. But I don’t do a reverb on the master. So for this song there are a bunch of different reverbs happening all together. Is a single master reverb cleaner?

I’ll definitely experiment with a different octave on the piano, that’s a great suggestion. It sounds like you’re saying to mix without reverb on in order to find where everything should live? Will you please teach a mixing class for the book club??

And regarding my vocals, thanks! I’m very self-conscious about the sound of my voice but this group has been giving me nice props.

alechutsonMarch 2, 2024 6:18pm

I love the production and musical decisions on this track, from the clean acoustic down to the ominously unsettling sub bass. Your voice sounds great, and the lyrics are potent and evocative. No notes from me, it all works for me!

RyanMarch 2, 2024 12:35pm

Always such unique chord voicings from you, Brit! And I love this lyric sheet. Reads like a poem. The harmonic shift on “I did it in my dream” and the delivery of that line is awesome—there’s a unique gravity to that moment. Something like pride.

The length of the words didn’t bother me, but try shortening some up and see how you feel! I don’t think you need a bridge. The music break kind of serves as one. This feels more like a scored poem. A more harmonically colorful and melodic Patti Smith kind of thing. This is cool, man.

stonewindowMarch 2, 2024 5:46pm

Thanks for your kind words Ryan. I’m working on it still. Really appreciate all of the thoughtful feedback from fellow chefs. I’m sure setting my Grandmother’s poems is an influential part of this process. I think the last line will be “I fly in my dreams”

stonewindowMarch 2, 2024 5:52pm

Thanks for your positive feedback on the chord voicings. Been working on that for a while now.

juliapikerMarch 2, 2024 3:12pm

Fun fun fun!

There is a quality about this that feels like something is repeating- which speaks to the “recurrence” of a dream. Oh gosh I love the chord change at :47 “B Line”. I love the way you drop out at certain moments as well- it really highlights the dynamics in your arrangement and writing style. Really cool and beautiful.

juliapikerMarch 2, 2024 3:07pm

Love your “looking for feedback on” comment. It made me laugh. Everything “works”- at least thats the way I think about it. Your kinda hitting the nail on the head of dream space- this certainly feels like a fucking crazy ass dream. :47 holy moly yes. You’ve been one of my favorites in regards to the insanity behind the pieces you put together and how the exist in this incredibly groovy and unique space.

It works for sure. I feel like Donald Glover would love this.

juliapikerMarch 2, 2024 3:04pm

I hear an entire full throttle string arrangement here in the chorus. I really love when the bass comes in and we start to really hear where the track is about to lead. I think absolutely a harmony can be added to “I’m always on the line”. I do think On your side is a better title- because that actually is remarking on how you want to be in your relationship- regardless of where you are within yourself. I think that the meaning behind this track is really sitting with me in a special way. It’s so hard to balance being a good human to yourself and to your partner when you feel unwell- or when you body doesn’t give you the opportunity to. So I really appreciate that.

RyanMarch 2, 2024 12:41pm

Man, this is an amazing vocal performance. Those little chromatic slides? Sheesh. And the tone from 1:47 to 1:54? You’ve achieved a Kid A sound without all the tech. You could’ve saved them thousands of dollars in studio time.

1:04 — arrangement award

I’m just in awe of your ability to find truly unique musical gestures. The off-kilter timing, the tone of the uke plus tone of your voice, the pale yellow ethereal stuff in the background. I agree with the call-out to tweak the mellotron sound, but only because you’d probably make something even cooler, not because it’s so trite. Great stuff here, mate.

juliapikerMarch 2, 2024 2:58pm

omg Ryan i didnt even read your comment before writing mine- similar thoughts. hell yeah

juliapikerMarch 2, 2024 2:58pm

I am definitely scared- feeling uneasy as your voice creeps in. I really like how loose this is. No grid baby we love that. It kind of reminds me a little bit of the quality in Cat Power Sea of Love.

My favorite part of this is the way you stay on certain notes for a little bit longer than you “should”. I think it adds to the eerieness. 1:46-1:54- that lengthier note ringing out vocally is so so good yeesh. I really love the chord progression- and the different variations it takes starting at 1:04 with the flute creeping back in.

Great one Nicky.

juliapikerMarch 2, 2024 2:53pm

Dude i LOVE. The synth stuff going on here it is so cool. I think its really cool against the guitar. That sort of organic/non-organic space always tickles me. Intro feels like the beginning of a Black Mirror episode. I would actually strip some of the verb off your voice! I do wonder if it would be cool for “Gathering Up My time” segment being more of a drop out moment production moment-with maybe a doubled vocal dryer and more upfront. Its SUCH a cool chorus. I think the whistle is a really nice touch as well. An extra little spicy element.

juliapikerMarch 2, 2024 2:37pm

Oh yeah. I fucking love this. Your voice feels really smooth and well mixed. I love that you doubled the guitar and I love how bright it feels- I would cut a teensy tiny bit of the high end so that it’s not competing with your voice.

Great production. I would keep an eye out for reverb giving way to a little bit of mud when everything comes into play together. I love the pause at 2:51 returning to the main melody.

Really great work

BenFebruary 26, 2024 12:28pm

I love the recording of this—so crisp and clear, and I like how the reverb comes and goes! There’s some lush arranging as well, but it’s never overpowering—the guitar and vox are front and center the whole time. The vocals are very close mic’ed and compressed, so we’re hearing each breath pretty loudly—it’s an intimate effect, but I might cut out or tone down some of the breaths.

CarseatMarch 2, 2024 2:19pm

Hey, thanks for the feedback! I’m take note! The intimacy was important to me, but I agree that the breaths almost take away from that effect at times.

EliasSZFebruary 29, 2024 7:03pm

The sound of your guitar and vocals are SO nice on this. It’s super intimate in a really inviting way, though I agree with @@Benthat cutting back a little bit on the breaths might be nice. I wouldn’t want to lose the intimacy at all though. I think this mix really effectively keeps the arrangement an important part of the song, while keeping the vocals and guitar right front and forward, almost to the point of obfuscating the details of the background – the periphery of it all feels really dream-esque in that way that we have super clear images of parts of our dreams, while other bits fade into obscurity.

Couple other things I really liked: the way the background ambience slowly swells in, the quiet background vocal chords I’m hearing at moments like 2:15, the downward movement of the chords at around 1:50.

CarseatMarch 2, 2024 2:18pm

Hey — thanks so much for the feedback! I agree with the breaths, I’ll be sure to take a few of the not-interesting ones out! I appreciate your note on my placement of the different elements — I wanted to create the misty mid-morning-brain-fog effect, and I’m glad it came through!

nickMarch 2, 2024 9:22am

Immediately compelling—very strong overall, well done. Your voice sounds great, and I enjoy the production quality on it. The arrangement is also very well crafted. I’m curious about the really deep kind of rumbling that comes in around ~1:18. It adds a feeling, non-musically, but more in the way of a soundscape. For me, it becomes a little distracting in certain parts, so I’d maybe reel it back in the really melodic moments, and have it stick out more intentionally and briefly in other sections. Just a thought. Most of all, just glad to hear you again!

RyanMarch 2, 2024 12:18pm

Yes, that rumbling caught my ear as well! I like the idea of flooding it in and pulling it out. But I mostly love it. What a great arrangement tool.

CarseatMarch 2, 2024 2:17pm

Thanks! That rumbling is a low synth that I warped around… I honestly couldn’t hear it that well in my setup, so thanks for mentioning how it sounds. I’ll mess around with cropping it out at points — I like the idea of making it a special appearance.

RyanMarch 2, 2024 12:22pm

Wow, I love this submission. Great work.

Voice sounds SO good, Darcy! And the patience in how the song moves is outstanding. A thought: maybe in the later verses, that first chord could change half-way through? It’s so rad that it stays on that chord for so long as you currently have it, but breaking it later on could be a cool development device.

Mix sounds killer. I agree with the breath notes that @@Ben mentioned. Guitars, background vox, ethereal stuff all sounds awesome to me. Maybe a slight cut in the low-end on the ethereal stuff. But sounds great for the most part.

Shout out to the break at 2:44 and re-entranced at 2:50. So good. Has a little bit of a St. Deviation’s vibe to me (wink wink @nick).

CarseatMarch 2, 2024 2:15pm

Ooooo… I like the idea of the chord change — I’ll be sure to mess around with that! And thanks re: voice: I was actually quite sick for this, but I am glad it sounded good — maybe I should be sick more often lol.

EliasSZFebruary 29, 2024 6:57pm

Wooo Lydian mode! Song title not too pretentious but the name is missing a c actually (Schrödinger).

In terms of the song, the second part really starts hitting in very effectively – really love the guitar tone around 3:00 (and when the piano doubles it). I wasn’t losing attention in the slow bits, but think there is space in for something to help build tension/anticipation/yearning or something – and I think it’d help the moment that second section hits feel very satisfying.

BenMarch 2, 2024 2:12pm

A typo? Fuck.

I like your suggestion—I could see teasing some of the electric guitar in the earlier sections. Thanks!

nickMarch 2, 2024 9:15am

Yeah i’m into this vibe. One of my favorite parts is the polyrhythmic clicky-clacky percussion part at 1:14. (castanets, maybe?)

Almost like some early U2 vibes in the outro (and i mean that in the best way possible, big early fan). And the heavy strumming electric guitar for the whole outro is the kind of track that’s most susceptible to rushing, but I think you did a great job either playing or editing it to align with drums—kudos!

BenMarch 2, 2024 2:10pm

Thanks! I got some wooden spoons for the holidays, and I was determined to find a use for them.

I never thought I’d have a U2 sound—but I hear what you’re saying! I definitely went a little stadium rock. After last submission’s comments, I was really focused on locking in my rhythms more tightly, I’m glad it made a difference!

alechutsonMarch 2, 2024 1:44pm

Love the spaciousness of the intro and the slow evolution and build of the composition! The heavy parts really hit for me. Would love to see the lyrics. I think the vocals could be mixed a little lower, but overall great job with it

nickFebruary 26, 2024 3:11pm

had a very enjoyable first listen to this in the car. just enjoyed another listen at the comp reading along. Maybe this is one of those “The Line (On Your Side)” eh? I wouldn’t vote for a harmony in the chorus, im happy with it nice and underdone. The only thing that I want is a bass line that doesn’t follow along too strictly to the kick drum. Feels a touch heavy handed outlining the five so straightly. I’m thinking Johnny Greenwood in, well most songs, but like the verse in 15 step—sparse, melodic, weaving in standout riffs here and there. And yeah, this is such an airy piece that I think it could leave a lot of space. v strong track. love it. 3:18 nice fill 😉

RyanMarch 2, 2024 12:51pm

Yes! Agreed on the bass line call out. I couldn’t find one! Perhaps you wanna give it a crack?

3:18 is a proud moment for me, ngl. Also that’s funny, that’s the exactly title I wanted, but @@zoya swayed me.

BenFebruary 26, 2024 1:21pm

I love this—especially the unique timing of the chord changes. It almost feels like your instruments are in 6/8 and the drums are in 4/4, which is really cool. I hear you on the limitations of the software instruments—I don’t feel like the drum is exactly in the groove. I think a few early/unpredictable snare hits would align it (the drummer for The National does this really well). And I’d bring up the octave vocals in the mix at the end to separate the section out—I don’t think they need harmonies, but a little more presence.

RyanMarch 2, 2024 12:50pm

Haha funny you should mention the early hits — I programmed some ghost hits but just didn’t bring them up in the mix enough. In other words, I agree with your suggestion. What this (and every single demo I make) needs is a live drummer haha

CarseatFebruary 26, 2024 11:33am

Yo — I love that writing constraint of deleting the initial motif idea… Honestly might make for quite a writing assignment…

Love the space you created in this one. Made me feel like I was a little blade of hay swinging in some warm wind.

RyanMarch 2, 2024 12:48pm

Making people feel like a little blade of hay swinging in warm wind might be my ultimate aim with music-making. So thank you for finally putting words to that for me. <3

RyanMarch 2, 2024 12:47pm

So many great vocalizations in this track. Little moments like at the end of “I’ll swallow it all”. This whole thing has a warm melancholy to it that is just lovely.

Love that everyone is encouraging you to jump into Logic. I couldn’t possibly recommend it more. Really opened up music-making for me. That being said, I think this exact recording, for this song, is perfect. So once you do make the plunge into multi-tracking, try not to lose the ability to bail on it or use it sparingly when it’s best for the song. Because this is special.

EliasSZFebruary 29, 2024 7:30pm

I’m certainly not an expert at recording and all that, but I find Logic pretty intuitive to use. I’ve messed around in a bunch of DAWs at this point, and Garageband is definitely a great place to just get started. I found ProTools harder than Logic, fwiw. As @@Carseatsaod. I don’t regret plunging into the rabbit hole, even though I still can’t really mix/produce/record full on tunes like some of the other folks here – even just a bit of comfort helped me make (still basic) but more complex tunes.

I really love the line “I wake up in the early night” in a song about dreams – feels kinda like waking up into a dream. This song feels evocative to me, but I’m not sure of what. Reading back to the lyrics while listening again, it gave me the feeling of trying to fill a hole inside myself with a person or a memory.

RyanMarch 2, 2024 12:43pm

Logic for life. Make the plunge! Get in there!

EliasSZFebruary 29, 2024 7:22pm

Don’t have much to say, but I really like this. Guitar sounds really good and the whole thing just feels comfortable/comforting/some other word I can’t quite place.

I could dig a fretless bass, but I wouldn’t want you to add too much to this. Just things to aid the current vibe.

Really liked the line “Wish I had a dollar | for every night of restless sleep.”

RyanMarch 2, 2024 12:41pm

Yep, that’s the lyric that stuck with me too.

RyanMarch 2, 2024 12:30pm

Alec this is dope as hell. Definitely top 3 AH NCBC subs for me. As mentioned by some others, this particular combination of synths and the acoustics sounds so good. It’s that sweet spot of being purposely juxtaposed but naturally fitted. Vocal phrasing is fantastic. Makes the song sound like it was always written.

Also shout out to the synth part in the chorus, don’t believe that’s been mentioned yet. That’s a super clever way to arrange that section. And I love the sound. Only thing I found myself wanting was a harmony in the chorus the whole time—or like, something that makes it even more heeeeeere’s the chorus! I guess I’m picturing a harmony because the current vocal is in the same register as the verse and so there isn’t a natural shelfing up into the chorus feeling. Maybe even doubling or tripling and effecting the current vocal would achieve what I’m looking for.

EliasSZFebruary 29, 2024 7:09pm

Really enjoyed the interplay between the hard-panned acoustics and the more-centered arpeggiator at the top and when it comes back. They create a really nice effect, particularly the way the constant movement of the arpeggiator makes the moments of pause in the acoustic guitar/bass in the verses feel even tighter.

That synth sound in the chorus is sooo dirrtyy, I love it. The drums throughout are really effective, but I really felt them in the chorus.

RyanMarch 2, 2024 12:25pm

Yeahhhhh that interplay between the organic wide-panned acoustics and that straight-up-the-middle synth bubbler is so good.

nickMarch 2, 2024 10:27am

On first listen I would have called this an A+ submission and moved on, but for the sake of critique, and sort of in line with @@Ryan‘s comment, maybe slightly consolidating the piece, and adding some spacey sounds to tie the whole thing together. Super creative and immersive response to the parameters—well done! I mean come on, great shanty.

nickMarch 2, 2024 10:09am

what fun. and really a great submission/song in general. It’s up for debate whether the priority of NCBC is following the parameters (at the risk of potential weirdification) or just using them to create a “good song”… but regardless, I think this is one of your “best songs”. A tempered amount of loony-ness, and lot of solid arrangement. “Make a bee-line” over that chord change is very dreamy (both dreamlike and just awesome). For feedback, I first listened to this in my car, and the hi-hats were just a little too loud and pointy. Performance is great, so just some real simple smoothing out in the mix would go a long way. It wasn’t as intense with my headphones, but I think would still benefit from a mix tweak. Curious how others heard it. Nice job!

nickMarch 2, 2024 9:52am

This definitely has some emotional resonance, especially I wake up in the early night // I see you and I sigh. Also, your performance is strong. Those nice crisp vocal walkdowns on things like “s-i-igh” are wonderful.

Glad you’re committing to the assignments despite the recording setup, kudos to you. And hey, I know you, you’re a pretty smart guy. Wouldn’t be long before you had a useful understanding of the fundamentals in GarageBand. Do you have mac? While there are a lot of tools and options that you can eventually familiarize yourself with, those can wait! With a simple youtube tutorial on getting started, it’s pretty easy to get in there and utilize the basics. Good luck, cowboy!

nickMarch 2, 2024 9:42am

hey nice! this is big step up in recording quality. Like @@Ben said, great annunciation. And sure, some fretless, some piano, some strings. Go crazy!

EliasSZFebruary 29, 2024 7:19pm

I don’t know if I’m scared, but I’m definitely unsettled. I never quite knew where this was headed or going – very dream-like and freaky.

nickMarch 2, 2024 9:39am

🙏 was definitely aiming to make it feel like you were in the dream.

CarseatFebruary 26, 2024 11:24am

Woahhh… this is such a cool lil guy. Huge fan of the chord schemes. You’re makin me want to experience something creepy enough to play this in the background…

nickMarch 2, 2024 9:38am

lol, i’ll be sure to invite you to my next nightmare.

BenFebruary 26, 2024 12:43pm

Very cool—the off-kilter time signature keeps you uneasy the entire time. Perhaps due to the improvisation, but it feels like you’re exploring the song as you’re writing/recording it, as if the writer is getting lost at the same time as the listener. Gives me early Grizzly Bear vibes. If I have a critique, it might be that the mellotron is a little too on-the-nose and familiar—it’s almost become the de facto 70’s creepy garden party sound.

EliasSZFebruary 29, 2024 7:17pm

Early Grizzly Bear is such an accurate reference point. There’s something Yellow House-y about this for sure.

nickMarch 2, 2024 9:36am

Thanks! And you’re totally right, i was building this plane midflight. Gosh, i just can’t help myself when it comes to the mellotron, but I will definitely take that critique into account and consider making that sound more my own next time.

BenFebruary 25, 2024 9:26pm

Yes I am

stonewindowFebruary 26, 2024 8:41am

Nice spooky vibe. Definitely “dreamy”. I like your vocal quality.

nickMarch 2, 2024 9:34am

👻

BenFebruary 26, 2024 2:43pm

I know that whistle. Way to use it as a instrument layer that tows the line between pad and lead, but sits in the background. Usually whistles, like in my song this week, and in many of your tunes serve as melodic leads in place of vocals, not that there’s anything wrong with that. But this is a cool use of whistling.

This is a very you song. Except for that synth voice. That’s a new and welcome addition to your scape. I love when the band drops out and the bubbly synth can ring out alone. There’s some Hiatus Kaiyote Breathing Underwater happening here a little.

Great track dude. This song slots in well to your latest musical era (Would you say were all living in AH v4.0 these days? v3.0? v5.0? v3.1?).

Love the stereo panned acoustic guitars. Great thumping-bass-from-nearby-car in the intro. And always a sucker for that anticipated beat that the guitars happen on. Love the calmness/laziness that happens in this song – the “I’ll be fine” section is great because that synth tone is often used in some hard hitting rave music, but you have a chill, slow, gentle vocal performance over it, with minimal other instruments. Good work there.

Love this. Is there a way to thicken up the vocals a little? They seem a little small and narrow compared to the rest of the mix I think? A little rhythmic tweaking might be needed (listen to the guitars + bass + drums around 0:25 and you might hear a little bit of asynchronicity that takes me out of the vibe a little). Other than that, I have a feeling I might hear this track in a future album. Hopefully.

nickMarch 2, 2024 9:33am

I agree with both of those suggestions at the end. If I were producing this, the first thing I would do is chop up the acoustic guitar track and align it directly with the drum track. I would actually emphasize the edited nature of it instead of trying to make it sound naturally played. Then I would widen the vocal and begin futzing around with additional effects, some throughout, and some momentarily. I’ll say this once more, too—killer track.

nickMarch 2, 2024 9:30am

Well this is frickin neat. Really so cool. Masterful vocal phrasing. I feel like it’s heading in a sort of Phantogram-ish direction, which is working really, and is a bit uncommon for you? I’d love to hear it pushed even further in that direction—maybe some glitchy samples woven throughout? Maybe some more effects on the vocals? I have some other comment’s aligned with @@Ben ‘s thoughts, and will put them there. Incredible submission dude!

EliasSZFebruary 29, 2024 7:16pm

I’ve never flown in a dream – I’m jealous.

I tend to think about the length of time I give a word when singing in terms of whether I want it emphasized or to last or to be a word (or even just a sound) that that a listener latches on to. I think @@Carseat hits a really nice idea about adding little melodies to certain held out words so that they’re not just sitting in one place.

stonewindowFebruary 29, 2024 8:54pm

Nice to meet you here. Thanks for chiming in for my song. I appreciate your feedback. Thom York will be emulating my phrasing when I’ve tightened up these vocals.

stonewindowFebruary 29, 2024 8:55pm

Oh shit it’s Yorke.

EliasSZFebruary 29, 2024 7:38pm

This definitely does the un-logic of dreams in a really fascinating way. The two parts feel so fully themselves and not really connected to the other part, at least not in the way you might expect it to (thinking of the shanty-sample, I guess).

“idk man, dreams” seems to really hit the nail on the head here.

EliasSZFebruary 29, 2024 7:35pm

The chord progression is just so catchy throughout this tune. And your vocal delivery is great too. Realllly loved those “I just want/need” pauses – didn’t expect the third one and it felt great.

The interweaving comes through, but I think interweaving is a bit subjective in the first place ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Great song!

CarseatFebruary 27, 2024 11:19am

This chord progression is TIGHT. It gives Pinegrove energy. PLEASE inform us when you add them drums n bass, need it in my life.

EliasSZFebruary 29, 2024 6:39pm

Thank you! Appreciate it, really. Maybe I will add that rhythm section…

BenFebruary 27, 2024 10:27am

She makes it inside through a door that leads to nowhere

Carrying something I didn’t see with her before

A fur coat the size of something in the movies

I was scared that PETA’d show, toss blood into the fur

This ^^ verse is pretty close to perfection. Great performance, delivery, writing, sounds, etc. I agree, this song would be so great with some light but poppy indie rock drums and fuller rhythm section. That would allow it to have higher, more meaningful highs and lower, more meaningful lows.

I also really enjoy that minor chord that finds its way into the “that’s toni” verse.

This reminds me a little of something from Inside (Bo Burnham). Your voice and guitar playing is actually sort of similar! The whole song kind of sounds like one of his slightly less jokey, more songy songs from that album. Lighthearted, funny, and fun to play/listen to, but not a parody or joke.

This is so great.

EliasSZFebruary 29, 2024 6:38pm

Cheers Ben, thanks. Bo Burnham is such a fun and kind comparison, seriously.

Totally agree with you – I really was feeling the lack of dynamics but was running out of time on Sunday lol. Glad you felt the light-hearted-but-still-not-totally-a-joke – I think I spent most of my time trying to figure out how to hit that balance hahaha.

RyanFebruary 25, 2024 9:18pm

A certified banger! This is so fun haha. The verse is so well-crafted and catchy. Also, the lyrics have me dying. I’m so stoked that you were able to take a bizarre dream and turn it into such a compelling story—the humor’s there, but so are the heavier things like doubt. Killer.

Love the arrangement, and the transitions work for me. You’re absolutely right that this is begging for drum and bass parts. I’d go out of my way to describe what I’m hearing, but, like, they’re already in there. Know what I mean? My only suggestion is to download Addictive Drums and then click and point your life away. You’ll be a pro in no time. Man is this thing gonna bang once it’s filled out even more.

BenFebruary 26, 2024 1:31pm

^ agree with all of this! Striking that balance between lighthearted/tongue-in-cheek without being silly/Weird Al is tough, and you nailed it! Love the double-tracked vocals—throwing a pop filter in front of your microphone will help with some of those harsh sounds in the P’s. As it’s a long song, you might want to switch up some of the instrumentation—I appreciated the breakdown at 3:42, but maybe switch up the guitar sound to add a little more variety. Can’t wait to hear the version with drums.

EliasSZFebruary 29, 2024 6:36pm

Thanks guys. I definitely felt the challenge of trying to keep the comical nature of it, while also adding some genuine heartfelt feelings about family complexities.

Definitely agree that the instrumentation needed to mix up a bit – I think I didn’t get the mix right on the synth sound I was trying to use to flesh out the lower end and was feeling a bit stuck in how/where I wanted to mix things up. I like the idea of switching the guitar sounds, which is not something I tend to lean towards – tend to be more of a keep adding new elements sorta guy lol.

Addictive Drums, I’ll have to check it out…

CarseatFebruary 26, 2024 11:36am

She’s so cute! I want to listen to it blare from my speakers while snuggled in a blanket with some broccoli cheddar soup.

BenFebruary 29, 2024 2:17pm

in fact, trader joes broccoli cheddar soup is like 70% of my two-year-old’s diet.

The very same two-year-old that is at least somewhat the inspiration for my subconscious mind craving a c. 2018-style ski trip.

CarseatFebruary 26, 2024 11:09am

Love the space you gave the mix — the reverb you added in the beginning created such a nice little blanket for everything to sit on. I would have loved for the louder parts to have that same blanket, but I also appreciated that I could hear all that was going on. Again, nice job — love the ending too hahah!

BenFebruary 26, 2024 2:05pm

the blanket metaphor is a good one. The first half of the song sounds like it’s a different room than the second, which is cool.

stonewindowFebruary 28, 2024 11:06am

Love all of your many ideas and the fact that they work together in my opinion. The end has a Roxy, Eno flavor. I love those bands. Held my attention the entire time including the slow beginning.

What key Lydian mode? I’m working on learning the mode thing. It’s taking some time to assimilate modes in my brain.

BenFebruary 28, 2024 1:01pm

Thanks y’all!

Here’s my understanding of the song vis-a-vis Lydian mode—I’m no expert, so someone pipe in if I’ve gotten anything wrong.

The chords to the verse are: G D Bm F# / G D Bm A

So, we’re in the key of G, which normally has one sharp – F#. However, with the F# and A chords, we’re also hearing lots of C#, which isn’t normally in the key of G. (Perhaps the first time you heard the F# and A chords, your brain twisted a little bit.) With an F# and C#, that really points more towards being in the key of D, but we’re obviously not in D. So if you play the notes in a D scale but start on a G, that’s G Lydian mode—or the G scale with a sharp 4th.

There are seven modes for each of the seven notes you could start a scale on. Playing a C scale but starting with A—that’s just A minor. Minor ain’t nothing but a mode of major! 🤯

(Ok, the F# chord also has an A# in it… but I think we should just write that off as a funky accidental.)

I then switch to “normal” G when it hits that chorus(?) thing at 1:50. The chords there are C G C Am. With that C and Am, we’re back to a normal G pattern. Or maybe it’s in C, I don’t know. The last time we hear it, it goes C G C A—switching to the A major brings us back to Lydian mode.

The ending riff is Em D A—with that A major, I think we’re still in G lydian.

Dreams by Fleetwood Mac is the simplest song of all time, but it’s technically in Lydian. It’s just F and G. Normally we hear Gm in the key of F, but since it’s a sharp 4th… Lydian! Also, Man on the Moon by REM, and the Legend of Zelda theme. This was a fun rabbit hole to dive into.

EliasSZOctober 8, 2023 2:18pm

Welcome and sorry for my late reply! I, too, am intimidated by the production chops on a lot of the folks in this group – but can guarantee there’s nothing bad that can happen. It’s just fun to share songs, whatever the form.

I second Alec’s bard/storyteller vibe – and to echo Ryan’s sentiment, one suggestion for lyric writing is exploring letting complete thoughts spill over onto multiple musical phrases – ideas starting in one line, yet resolving in another. Great song, welcome!

stonewindowFebruary 27, 2024 4:40pm

Thank you for your feedback I’m just seeing your comment.

CarseatFebruary 27, 2024 11:24am

WHATTTT???!???!??!? HELLOOO???!?!??!? What just happened… am I on Earth anymore???? What is a human body; I am a head floating above my desk. That beat drop did it. I am gone.

RyanFebruary 25, 2024 9:11pm

What a lovely dark snare sound. How’d ya get it?

Love the subtle circus sounds here, as you mentioned. Organ, funky hi-hats, disco geet, some slippery guitar/bass underneath some whistling? Fun. The interweaving elements didn’t come through on first listen, but upon a few more spins, I hear how the hats are playing around with the snare and the geet. Works for me.

Dig that you wrote this while walking around. Made for a very catchy verse.

stonewindowFebruary 26, 2024 10:53am

The interweaving comes through.

‘I like the playful vibe despite the anxiety of the dream.

the whistling and guitar riff is cool.

BenFebruary 27, 2024 10:32am

Snare is tuned a little low, got one of those rings on it, like 10 pieces of blue painters tape, and a t-shirt draped over it.

BenFebruary 27, 2024 10:34am

re: the interweaving:

mostly going for smooth, dreamlike, floaty lyrics/vocal performance mixed with a disco, funk rhythm section

TengoFebruary 25, 2024 9:45pm

oh baby this is just a delight! agree that the drum sounds are just so cozy. love the processing on your vocal that compliments such a relaxed and easygoing delivery. Gimme those lil bass licks at the end of the tune in my dreams every night please.

BenFebruary 27, 2024 10:30am

thanks! the bass parts were recorded at 8:30 sunday night. I wanted a little somethin somethin in the outro. Originally, i was gonna have that whole second half of the song have lyrics, but eventually decided to make it just a long fade-out with whistling. Right before submitting, i decided it need a couple tiny parts to pop out, so i rerecorded the bass and added some bassy things

CarseatFebruary 26, 2024 11:31am

Ouuuughhh. I love this. You dug into the dynamics at the perfect moments; I could so see you digging into it more and creating a deeper rift in some spots.

As for working in software, I started in Garageband and made my way over to Pro Tools — they’re both a little intimidating at first, but the more you create and mess around in them, the more comfy you get. Definitely don’t regret plunging into that rabbit hole!

stonewindowFebruary 26, 2024 5:29pm

Nice feel to the song. Dreamy. That was the assignment right.

‘impressive that you improvised lyrics

When I joined this lovely group recently I figured out the very basics of GarageBand. I looked at some YouTube videos. I can only record live, haven’t figured out how to multitrack yet, but GB is better than the other music memo apps I was using. It’s been good to dig into the aforementioned rabbit hole.

CarseatFebruary 26, 2024 11:15am

YO. I love this. So wiggly. Recommend listening while doing the dishes.

alechutsonFebruary 26, 2024 1:06pm

Dish wiggling is where it’s at 🪱🍽️

stonewindowFebruary 26, 2024 4:21pm

Great song. Definitely has a dream like vibe. The chorus is cycling in my head as I write. Don’t know enough about recording to give any input.

nickFebruary 5, 2024 11:09am

trudie! 🙂

so glad to hear you. i think those additional parameters are 👌

many beautiful little vocal moves. also some beautiful big ones! those higher notes just sear through.. like a meteor, if i may. truly though, wonderful tone.

would love to read along if you would add the lyrics to the description. rock on, sister. oh wait also, that profile picture is just too much.

troodsFebruary 6, 2024 11:54am

Hi! Thank you!! It was fun to make. I will definitely add the lyrics.

stonewindowFebruary 26, 2024 4:14pm

Love this. Your voice is lovely. Sounds like it was all one take? I really like the last chord too.

‘my favorite line and you sing it beautifully. So it makes sense the sky is falling and it’s fine.

BenFebruary 26, 2024 2:17pm

love that we have 2 fever dream songs.

BenFebruary 26, 2024 2:16pm

This is great. I’m particularly a fan of the second part. Especially from 4:00 to the end! I’d looove to listen to a full length version of that section. Love the driving drums, the background vocals, the vocal melody, and your vocal tone. It’s got some 80s-90s Chris Isaak, Roxy Music, Brian Eno, Bryan Ferry, David Byrne, David Bowie stuff going on.

A tiny bit of minor rhythmic tweaking and scooting to line up the rhythm section instruments in that outro, and you’ve got an absolutely perfect section. What are you thoughts on giving that outro its own song? I’d listen to that song.

Nice work on this!

CarseatFebruary 26, 2024 2:04pm

Love the exquisite lil finger picking groove and the dog, 10/10.

BenFebruary 26, 2024 10:31am

Nice work on this! I love that it ends with the flying. It’s a hopeful final line, but more importantly, it’s the best part of dreaming.

I assume you tracked guitar and voice at the same time? This is giving Mountain Goats or The Microphones (at least based on what I know of them).

I think your self-criticism is actually pretty spot on. See what it sounds like to keep certain words more snappy. That said, your delivery of “familyyyyy” is pretty great. Similarly, or alternatively, maybe try experimenting with the strumming patterns or the chord sustain. I can imagine the long words sounding pretty good over a simple single strum of a chord.

As for the bridge, it kind of sounds like you already do have one right? From around 0:57 – 1:17. It serves as a good separator of the two verses, but my advice would be to either shorten it by 50% or add vocals to it.

But ok, the real question here is: are we talking about prolonged low-gravity jumping flying, swimming thru the air flying, or superman flying?

stonewindowFebruary 26, 2024 10:49am

Thank so much Ben! I think that’s when I did some improvising, trying to keep it all diatonic and moving. Good advice on the strum pattern.

Yes, this was a live take, playing guitar and singing at the same time.

Flying low, worried about crashing into the trees just below, kinda like trying to write songs haha. It’s a rare dream. And as in all my dreams there is a fraught element.

stonewindowFebruary 26, 2024 1:18pm

Ben-

Whats the reference to Mountain Goats or Microphones ? Thanks

BenFebruary 26, 2024 12:34pm

Yo, is that a theremin?! This song is excellent—I really like the combination of acoustic and electric instruments—they’re really integrated and cohesive. I wouldn’t change a thing.

alechutsonFebruary 26, 2024 1:05pm

The theremin is me whistling! 😗 Thank you, glad it works for you 🙏

BenFebruary 26, 2024 12:50pm

The only thing missing is a warm campfire. This is so soothing! You really annunciate well and I could make out every word—but if anything, you might consider smoothing your words out a bit. Phrases like “one stuck in your head” are punctuated a bit and go against the silky smoothness of the rest.

CarseatFebruary 26, 2024 11:26am

I could so hear that fretless bass. Almost like the saw in “In the Aeroplane…” by Neutral Milk Hotel. If you do it please let me know… I dig.

CarseatFebruary 26, 2024 11:21am

Hey! Nice to meet you. Love the foundation that this song has — the guitar licks are awesome and definitely add a lot to the energy here.

I definitely hear you on the vocal-word-length — it’s not a bad thing at all, I was actually thinking more that creating little vocal melodies during the held out notes would create a lovely Thom-Yorke-sorta-soaring vibe that would add a nice dimension to this.

And yea dreams are weird — lots of emotion-sorting happens for me too…. they’re so weird.

stonewindowFebruary 26, 2024 8:33am

Catchy tune. I like “On your side” but both work. Always dig your songs.

RmalFebruary 25, 2024 10:40pm

LOVE the vocalization! Great melody. Like the bridge at 1:25. The tune is great stripped down, but if you thought you wanted more, I’m hearing angelic strings. Wonderful subject 🙂

RyanFebruary 25, 2024 9:24pm

I think this is rad as hell. Not sure whether this “works” is even related haha. The beginning is just pure children’s TV show chaos and the back half is like Kendrick and Tyler and you were like “let’s fuck this up”. I think the only thing that would make it work more (ok fine I see what you mean) is if you dirty up the back half. Some distortion on the drums, some even freakier moments in the vocal, etc. But yeah, this was Grade A fun for me.

CalebFebruary 25, 2024 6:38pm

i don’t know jack all about mixing, but i have to second the shoutout to “and i wonder who else noticed burning holes in the sky”, and it was a chef’s kiss for my ear to hear that first vocal cascade on sky. Really awesome moment, and a great question to pose. At 1:08-1:11 I hear that faint grumble in lead into the guitar solo, and I love that sound so much I almost want to hear it stretched out into a longer and bigger crescendo. Awesome atmosphere!

EliasSZFebruary 25, 2024 8:44pm

Thanks! Glad to know I’m not alone in not really knowing anything about mixing hahaha.

I’m a sucker for hearing feedback/distortion before a solo, I think you’re right that it’d be fun to stretch that out even farther.

nickFebruary 15, 2024 11:50am

how to write about a dream without boring people…

BenFebruary 25, 2024 8:13pm

lol

CalebFebruary 25, 2024 7:12pm

wowza, really beautiful composition and lyricism. and thank you for that lil anecdote about how you (and mitski) approached this song with melody and lyrics first and then chords. i’m going to try that next time, i think that will help free up my melody writing.

i’ve really struggled to find cuts/edits here, but after like 5 listens i think the only thing that comes to mind is maybe find a way to end the piece after the (rightfully lauded in other comments) silver spoon & never blink again sections. I think you don’t need the chorus afterwards, that is such a special moment on its own.

I can’t say when it’s happening, but once it does you swear you’ll never blink again”

Boom, mic drop. Such a powerful line to end the tune imo. Almost teasing the audience to stop this song, and look to the skies so you don’t miss the meteor shower.

awesome tune

CalebFebruary 25, 2024 6:51pm

felt like listening to an unreleased Creed song, in all of the best ways. epic guitar work. i can hear the drums and bass in my head, which is a testament to the structure of your piece, it evokes those missing pieces like phantom limbs.

CalebFebruary 25, 2024 6:46pm

just so much fun, i was smiling the whole time. that bass and guitar jam that kicked off right around 3:16 had me BOPPING, and then we get the creme de la creme of the piece with the baby interruption. Such a good moment, a happy little accident turned into a really poignant moment for me. I’m ready for the piece to take off, and boom — we are thrust back to earth, by that thing that grounds us the most, almost like when we travel to hotels and always at last come back (sometimes too soon). Awesome jam, and enforted 100% works for me.

CalebFebruary 25, 2024 6:32pm

i think the drums and vocals are mixed so nicely for that entire middle section of the song, definitely not too soft. your delivery of in the motel grime? scratches my brain in the perfect way. well done!

CalebFebruary 25, 2024 6:26pm

“sharing stares where sands sparely flick where hands barely tick tick tick tick tick” was such a pleasing collection of Mouth Sounds on the ear, very poetry poetic the way they stumble into each other. The ensuing music drop afterwards was a great pay-off after those lyrics almost dragged back on the beat. The tension and release. Great stuff, as always sir.

RmalFebruary 15, 2024 7:01pm

dreams I can muddle thru – two, not one, but TWO interweaving musical elements – that’s giving me nightmares.

nickFebruary 25, 2024 5:54pm

lol

nickFebruary 5, 2024 3:50pm

really beautiful singing and melody writing. all the humming is absolutely luscious. “finale” is literally perfect.

to me, they all feel very naturally written. perhaps “don’t think there’s much to define” would be the least natural to me. kind of a separate comment, but in regards to them sounding naturally sung, i like to see how much i can getaway with by removing the sentence structure and letting the most meaningful words remain, like “motel check-in, backpack and mask” could get you to the same place with less clutter. especially when paired with other lyrics that allow for the full sentence structure like “managed to rally for the after-thing”. such a great line btw. as for the last line, i think im understanding it more, and i really like it, but it’s a little compressed at the moment. id experiment with hanging on that last chord for longer so you can sing all those words with more space in between. could help to emphasize the intention, too. just a thought. great recording, nora!

nickFebruary 5, 2024 4:48pm

specifically “and that it’s something that’s mine”. really continuing to grow on me, so who the hell knows, but maybe a little more space could help.

nurphgunFebruary 6, 2024 1:52pm

Yes – “don’t think there’s much to define” is one of them. Had three other options for that line, and I think this was the best one, but it’s still not quite it. There is a specific meaning I want to get across in the last verse, and trying to fit it in the rhyme scheme is tough.

Love, love the advice re “motel check-in, backpack and a mask”, etc. – it would be a really interesting practice to take a pass through it and see where else I could make similar changes. Top of my head, I could probably change “Maddie chimes in with I can’t wait to see you girls” to “Maddie chimes in, can’t wait to see you girls.” Maybe waiting a beat before “Nicole” so it’s less harsh.

Interesting idea to add more space to the last line. I definitely slowed down a bit for the last two lines so I could milk them a little. I worry that giving too much space will further highlight how clunky the last line is. I actually like its clunkiness and how quickly it goes by – I almost wouldn’t mind if it passed someone by on a first listen & only revealed itself to them later on.

nickFebruary 6, 2024 3:33pm

ah the beauty of being the artist. and i think you’re right, to boot!

stonewindowFebruary 19, 2024 5:45pm

Your voice is so lovely. I have had very few songs come with lyrics. Poetry is honed and honed. If it comes naturally that’s a gift. I will listen more.

BenFebruary 4, 2024 9:13pm

Jesus and the aliens.

Hey man, I love this. I think you’ve ordinary yourself once again. I seriously might have a new fav! Nice soloing over some very nice chords.

Here’s to ncbc work travels.

I feel like I have a similar chord in my song this week. Wondering if you know which!

More from me later when I’m on my desktop computer!

RyanFebruary 7, 2024 2:01pm

Thanks, brother! Seocnd chord in your “OOwhoa” section, yeah? Tasty stuff.

nurphgunFebruary 8, 2024 10:28pm

“Jesus and the aliens” is everything

stonewindowFebruary 19, 2024 5:40pm

Love this Ryan. Chorus is so catchy. Love the guitar licks. Wow. Maybe an lg tune around the fire.

nickFebruary 5, 2024 12:26pm

this is a delightful little tearjerker. “nothing hits, it never does” fav lyric, and very well sung. i also love how many of the phrases have a spoken rhythmic quality, but then “it won’t give up” has a little hop to it and jumps on the beat. i wouldnt mind repeating the last line once more at the end. in a larger arrangement i could imagine “so close, I can feel it now” kind of weaving throughout the song, but in this little package, saving it for the end ties up the composition very nicely. you’ve got a great voice! count me in as an avid observer of your songwriting journey.

stonewindowFebruary 19, 2024 5:33pm

Love this Zoya! Your phrasing is naturally always so good. That said I think some breaks of strumming could be effective. The simplicity gives rise to the complexity.

BenFebruary 7, 2024 9:55am

“The Brimming Skies”

Well done with this. It so concise in multiple ways: 76 seconds long, 3 (?) tracks, 2-3 words per line, yet it makes me feel deeply connected to a chunk of space dust hurling through our atmosphere. In the pasy 48 hours, i’ve been thinking about a comment @@nick left on @@nurphgun‘s latest song about word economy and cutting out the extra unneeded words. and there are none of those here to cut out. This is really well done.

Could be cool with a simple shaker coming in on the “down below” line. And if it were ever to become a bigger or longer arrangement, i’d love to hear the guitar melody come back in at some point, and play over the lyrics.

RyanFebruary 7, 2024 1:09pm

Funny you should mention the economy. Zoya has an absolute bloodlust for cutting words out of my songs.

stonewindowFebruary 19, 2024 5:30pm

She’s your editor and chief

nickFebruary 5, 2024 10:58am

So glad to have you! And dude, this is an excellent first submission. I think you did an incredible job following the parameters. one of my favorite cascading melodies of the bunch, so kudos to you for that! I think the melodies in general are strong, the lyrics are simple and straightforward with just the right amount of magic woven through them. All this needs to be is trimmed down. There is no lack of great stuff, just an eventual excess of OK stuff. For me, im completely hooked up until “oh forever a day” at 1:37, only because I want it to go back to the intro/verse melody at that point. If I were producing this song, at 1:37 I’d go right back to the beginning, run all the way through “Gotta breath give one take three” and then throw in a little trumpet outro and call it day. Print it. Done. Also “(don’t know how you’re under the sky whilst in a room but gonna roll with it haha)”… skylight maybe? Fine by me. Great job, dude.

RyanFebruary 6, 2024 1:09pm

Completely agreed with the structural changes suggested here! Nice n tight, only the strongest stuff survives.

Its PlayFebruary 6, 2024 7:43pm

Thanks so much dude!

Also, fair fair! Yeah I was just worried that the chorus was a bit too short, maybe could replace that part “forever a day” part with something more high energy or as you say just run through the song again. I agree about it being trimmed down for sure, too many low energy parts I think, I just get attached to my lines hahah.

That idea about a trumpet outro would go hard tho!

Shot for the feedback ay! Glad to be here!

stonewindowFebruary 19, 2024 5:27pm

Such great feedback. You have a solid song. I like the moments between the notes when you stop strumming and your phrasing changes. I didn’t note the exact minute.

EliasSZFebruary 14, 2024 11:59am

I’m impressed by the precision of this one one take performance. I don’t think I have a least favorite part, but I found myself wanting a few more elements – I don’t think this song is necessarily calling for a giant arrangement, but a bit more to it would I think send it to a new level.

EliasSZFebruary 14, 2024 11:54am

This is a really cool tune. I don’t have a ton to say that people haven’t already – the early Modest Mouse reference definitely resonates. I’m no master at mixing (or mastering, for that matter), but to my ears I think at points the arrangement feels a little cluttered in a way that makes me think some tweaks to the mix would be the solution.

EliasSZFebruary 14, 2024 11:48am

This is really, really good. Super evocative. I love the group vocals. Wouldn’t want a singular voice. Makes me feel like its your own voice rattling around in your own head. Feels like it also intensifies the yearning I get from the lyrics. The ambience in the arrangement, also. So haunting.

EliasSZFebruary 14, 2024 11:43am

“Fumigate, facetime masturbate | we’ve just watched the burnin of heaven’s gates | I hate so little, and none of you | I still love when your smell comes through” these lyrics are SO good. I feel like this is closer to a final product than you think.

EliasSZFebruary 14, 2024 11:39am

That bass tone is so disgusting in the absolute best way. The mix of sounds and tones in this really unsettle me, but like, in a really good way.

EliasSZFebruary 14, 2024 11:37am

Your guitar playing is killer as can be. I feel like I’ve gone to the bar down the road from a motel in the middle of a road trip, and I’m hearing someone play this live in a room filled with the smell of cheap beer. Love it.

I also struggle with recording percussion so I almost never do, so sadly can’t offer any advice there lol.

EliasSZFebruary 14, 2024 11:34am

That chorus is SO tight. Melody, vocals, the whole thang.

I want just a bit more of that guitar throughout – I like the effect of it being hidden underneath, but I feel like its doing some really interesting movement and the playing sounds so nice, I just want to hear it a bit more!

EliasSZFebruary 14, 2024 11:30am

I love the barren feeling of those opening lines, particularly: “Nothing hits | It never does | Oh earth“.

I don’t think you need another “So close, can feel it now”, but I’m often on the side of a song can be short as it wants, if it feels good that short. I think it could be nice longer too, but didn’t feel like it needed it to me. The repetition of “Oh Earth” really works for me throughout the song, as a side note.

RyanFebruary 7, 2024 12:26pm

Dan! Rough or not, you got the dang thing done! Well done! Psyched to have you here.

Evocative guitar playing and singing, as always with your songwriting. I think there’s a lot to work with here.

It’s interesting—with the guitar and vocal tones you went with, I think you might be chasing a phantom by worrying about “how to make things sound better in a DAW” just yet, because I think the tones are suggestive of a bigger arrangement. Big drums, eletric bass, more rhythm guitars, etc. I find that when I’m trying to improve elements via mix when the arrangement isn’t there yet, it can be fruitless. Did you play around with adding full band elements to this?

danhuntFebruary 10, 2024 5:52pm

Psyched to be here my friend, thank you! I really appreciate that wisdom, I think the piece absolutely demands a fuller arrangement. A lot of the music in my head is that way, so that’s a helpful tidbit to help me prioritize what to work on learning next.

EliasSZFebruary 14, 2024 11:27am

Really agree with @@Ryan – I love that guitar tone, but it definitely made me want a larger arrangement with more parts. I think that’ll help it feel bigger in the first place. Could definitely hear this with a big full band arrangement, and I think it’d naturally help the existing guitar and vocals feel more supported and larger straight off.

EliasSZFebruary 14, 2024 11:24am

I’m pretty impressed that you added more parameters that made the process even harder – having to do it super fast? Not editing? And it still came out a tight, strong song. That second verse is great – a great use of the parameter of the meteor shower to very naturally mirror that pretty universal life experience of realizing there is no defined path ahead.

EliasSZFebruary 14, 2024 11:21am

This slaps. I really love the happy sounding key, even despite it being about a drug deal gone wrong. Feels very cinematic to me.

In terms of your question, I dunno. I feel like I get stuck on pockets of progression sounds that I like, whether they’re major or minor, and I always have trouble getting out of them lol. Sometimes you like what you like, and there’s nothing wrong with that!

EliasSZFebruary 14, 2024 11:17am

Sam, love that chord progression with the harmonizer pedal. Love the vocal melody on the “oos”. I hear some really nice harmonies you could build out with that also. Really curious to hear the full version of this when the tendonitis is feeling better!

EliasSZFebruary 14, 2024 11:15am

All these lyrics feel fairly natural to me – the first verse in particular really captured me though. I’d say the least natural to me would be “Not one for presents or remembering dates | Don’t think there’s much to define“. When I read it, I like it, but listening it didn’t capture me quite the same.

This is such a nice song – I’d love to hear it with a bit more of an arrangement, though I get when the ‘bigger’ version just isn’t happening. Maybe some soft piano chords, gentle vocal harmony, something else? Sounds great as is too.

EliasSZFebruary 14, 2024 11:10am

Your production is always so right on. Like just absolute bangers every time. Do you need to go anywhere from here? I feel like this is kinda tight as it is, 90 seconds of slap.

EliasSZFebruary 14, 2024 11:08am

I really loved the live-ness of this take. The sound of the dog tail thumping and the collar rustle only added to the vibe for me. Felt really honest to me, in a way that really worked.

EliasSZFebruary 14, 2024 11:06am

but sure as the day pushes back the night | this evening the sky will churn” this is such a great lyric.

I second Ryan, not sure I needed the heavier section – I think the vibes you conjure up otherwise felt really good to me and didn’t feel like I was needing a departure yet.

EliasSZFebruary 14, 2024 11:02am

I feel like I just took an absolute journey, I read your description as I listened, trying to keep up with the time marks and just had a blast. I think the precious object is exactly right – something so mundane, but meaningful, and something that feels like it captures a childlike innocence, which parallels the simplicity of CUSTODES’s mission, a simple return item to owner.

Also the sounds you created are absolute sick.

EliasSZFebruary 14, 2024 10:53am

Absolutely loved the sound of the vocals in this straight from the get-go. Also the guitar solo is absolute killer, but those vocals underneath it at the top reallllllly worked for me.

In terms of your question, I don’t think I totally processed it as a song-within-a-song, but I loved the radio sweep for what its worth ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Guess in my mind it was more to me that a song about travel/road trip/driving wanted to make you feel like you were in the car alongside you also?

EliasSZFebruary 14, 2024 10:47am

This took me by total surprise. Thom Yorke-esque vocals at the top didn’t have me expecting the, like, indie-electronica-8-bit-dance tune? I could see you pulling back on the vocal processing a bit at 1:17, but I think it worked for me overall.

Lyrics work for me. Lot of strength in their detail but concision.

EliasSZFebruary 14, 2024 10:43am

Love the use of choral parts to flesh out the arrangement – really conjures a vibe for me. I’d be curious about leaning heavier into it; could see some like vocal cluster chords like a Grizzly Bear-Yellow House-esque thing.

There are definitely some McCartney-esque chords in here – made me want some like upbeat bass part moving around with the chords, maybe even with a tight lil’ drum track beneath it too. In general, about halfway through I thought it would be really satisfying for a full band to come in and start filling out the sound.

EliasSZFebruary 14, 2024 10:38am

Love the cut out of that first chorus. This tune is just such a pleasant experience. The way the arrangement swells into fleshed out sections always feels so rewarding.

If I had to say anything, I feel like I need a little bit more growth towards the end in that last chorus – someone mentioned horns, I could even just see a larger vocal arrangement swelling up. Great tune!

EliasSZFebruary 14, 2024 10:32am

As always, a total hit. Love the sound of those keys – so satisfying when that trashy bass comes in.

Also those ambient sounds are creepy af.

alechutsonFebruary 9, 2024 3:37pm

My approach to mixing is to find a vibe and lean into it. I think you’re doing that quite well here! I think you got some really nice guitar sounds, and your voice sounds great over the bed of texture you made. I love the outro rumbling. Would love to hear some more low end, maybe that just means recording a bass part. I feel like this would be a great song to do some late night driving to.

EliasSZFebruary 14, 2024 10:29am

Thanks! It’s funny, I think I caught up on the ‘technical’ things you like, need to do while mixing (that I’m mostly vaguely aware of) that I forget the other part is focused on creating a vibe/sound/atmosphere. Definitely agree about more low-end – I was trying to use a droning organ/key sound but I don’t think it had enough low frequency in the end to really flesh out the bottom.

RyanFebruary 6, 2024 9:55pm

Dude! Gorgeous guitar parts! Reminds me of Strange Mangers, one of my favorite bands of all time. Though I love the fuzziness of the tone, I wouldn’t mind some clarity blended in to discern the parts more—I think they deserve it! Plus, one fuzzy and one clean often sounds gooooood IMO.

Regarding vocals, I think it’d be cool to let the lower voice be the lead and then choose your spots for the falsetto voice to join in and play the role of highlighting.

All the environmental/ambient sounds are awwwwesome, I’m super into this.

EliasSZFebruary 14, 2024 10:28am

Thank! I’ll have to check our Strange Mangers – feel like I’ve heard them, but not sure. I tried to mix some cleaner doubles of the parts in, but I don’t think I got the balance quite where I originally intended, even though I liked the sound. And interesting thought about the vocals – I like the idea of the falsetto vocals popping in rather than leading it. Might have to try that out.

BenFebruary 6, 2024 4:27pm

well “burning holes in the sky” is a great motif and phrase and i can’t believe i haven’t heard or thought about that before. well done. that’s really cool and inventive. and it flows so well.

the solo came in scorching.

RyanFebruary 6, 2024 9:51pm

Yeahhhhhh “burning holes in the sky” might win for metaphor-of-the-assignment. So good.

EliasSZFebruary 14, 2024 10:26am

cheers fellas, thank you! Funnily enough the first idea I had was the parallel of cigarette burns in sheets vs. like, burnt holes in the sky so I just kinda ran with it!

nickFebruary 5, 2024 4:14pm

incredible textures and sounds all over this thing. the repeating “And I wonder who else” is a great move. and *pat on the back* for trying this out even though it was strange. i also struggled with some of the things you mentioned. but you ended up with something special. i think your mix is really nice. totally works for me. the only thing would be avoiding the pops/clips in the vocals and guitars. feels like it could be as easy as tiny fades in and out from either side of the wav forms? unless it’s in the recording, in which case, just get those levels in place beforehand, or friggin get jonny to do it 🙂

EliasSZFebruary 14, 2024 10:25am

Yeah, I definitely needed to go back and fix the clips and things but never got myself too. I did some fading to get around some of the more egregious ones, but there’s a few places where I probably needed to rerecord and I just didn’t lol. Can’t always get jonny 😉

lazyrabbitFebruary 5, 2024 8:53am

I love this! The textures are awesome and the cascading held vocal line sounds so ethereal. Also the guitar tone for the soloy part is 🔥🔥🔥

EliasSZFebruary 14, 2024 10:24am

Thanks J!

RyanFebruary 13, 2024 5:42pm

Dream On, dreamers.

RyanFebruary 12, 2024 11:04am

The precious object should be an Ibanez JEM77P. Otherwise—perfect.

BenFebruary 11, 2024 11:18pm

This is incredible. The past 3 years I’ve had the same dream about 3 times a week and I cannot wait to write this song and explore this. Out of town this week but excited to hum some stuff while I’m gone and then get to work next week

danhuntFebruary 10, 2024 7:44pm

“We die at least, and too soon” OOF, you should be proud of this for that line alone. Really beautiful!

danhuntFebruary 10, 2024 7:37pm

DUDE. The story creation and composition here are sensational! Love it, I hope you one day get hired to score Love, Death, & Robots episodes.

The beginning section in 5 and the guitar techniques you employ during the section starting at 4:30 are fully rad. Amazing work!

danhuntFebruary 10, 2024 7:24pm

This whole piece is just gravy atop the beautiful two-syllable rhyme within “Hannah’s anni-versary”. Little nuggets of beauty like that (including your great vocal delivery) make me happy. Lovely, evocative piece!!

danhuntFebruary 10, 2024 7:14pm

Hell yeah, Ry! This feels at first tongue-in-cheek, but behind that is truly an all-around beautiful piece.

I love the little chromatic twiddles in the guitar interlude solo melody that give this a more Western feel.

I’m terms of arrangement, because I’m a silly, exuberant guitarist, I’d wonder about grabbing a slide and a delay pedal and using those to create the sound painting of the meteor shower happening. And I’m definitely feeling the entrance of a horn section towards the end that mirrors the choral vocal melody and gives a real powerful uplift at the end. Inspiring job!

danhuntFebruary 10, 2024 7:02pm

This is beautiful!! I love the repetition of “Oh Earth”, which gives a more indirect sentiment of this meteorite yearning to each earth’s surface, compared to the more direct statements of this you have in your very efficient lyrics! But this feeling is so evocative to me, it reminds me of all of our own little worlds and all of our intense strivings. Really lovely piece.

I try to remind myself that song form can be whatever you want it to be–as you experiment more with standard forms, feel free to use them only as they serve the art. Creating something more free-form as a vessel for your poetry feels just as valid to me. Thanks for this!

danhuntFebruary 10, 2024 6:41pm

This is heart-clenchingly, stomach-twistingly good. Wow! Also completely admire the efficiency of your lyrics here.

I like everything you’ve done with the vocals here, I think I’d personally want to think about adding some spots of vocal distortion in the interest of highlighting some angsty emotional moments above others, but just something to consider playing around with if that suits your taste as well. Again, stellar creation here!

danhuntFebruary 10, 2024 6:28pm

This is such a cool sound you’ve created here. Totally agree with the artist comparisons already made by others.

My one area of constructive feedback is around vocal performance. Sometimes it felt like the articulation and timings could be approached more confidently. I noticed that the most confident your vocal performance sounds is around when you deliver the line “I rub my eyes, see the tiny little spots, like-ahh”. I’d encourage you to embrace and play around with your persona so your full vocal performance can feel more at home in the groove of the song. Feel free to bring the energy and (dare-I-say?) swagger in varied ways throughout the piece, you’ll have so much fun and will sound even more awesome! Excellent song!

danhuntFebruary 10, 2024 6:07pm

There’s a remarkable pop sensibility here. I could easily see a song like this with a voice like yours winding up on some curated acoustic/chill indie pop playlists. I love it as is arrangement-wise, but are there any other directions you might take this to add depth beyond the guitar? Might be fun to play around building out a soundscape a bit more. Fantastic job!

nickFebruary 5, 2024 11:52am

immediately into this guitar composition. really well written and performed. especially the ending line but honestly all of it is great. i barely know what im talking about when it comes to mixing, but i would suggest youtubing about adding compression to vocals on whichever DAW you use and just copy them. i feel like the raw wav files you’ve recorded could be really strong with the right amount of mixing. nice job!

danhuntFebruary 10, 2024 5:54pm

Thanks for your kind words, Nick!! This suggestion is exactly the kind of advice I was looking for, really appreciate it and am excited to learn exactly what compression does to vocals haha!

alechutsonFebruary 9, 2024 4:07pm

DAN great to finally hear your music! Great job, I think this song just needs a full band arrangement to bring out the sparkle.

danhuntFebruary 10, 2024 5:49pm

Thanks so much Alec! Really happy to be here. My goal this weekend is to start learning how to program drums etc to flesh this and future projects out, completely agree!!

BenFebruary 6, 2024 4:54pm

Hey great voice! Post the lyrics!

danhuntFebruary 10, 2024 5:44pm

Thank you!! I’ve added them in, great suggestion 🙂

nurphgunFebruary 8, 2024 10:17pm

0:35 “Aboooove it all (aboveitall)” = very nice

Without the background, I would not have had the faintest clue what the song was about, but that’s totally fine. You managed to make some really tricky words sound natural.

I see what @@Ryanmeans about the manic vocal at 1:17 but it is a really satisfying & kind of relieving fun moment, settles the tune into a solid Nick bop and gets us going on the dancefloor. But right, definitely worth asking, is that where we’re supposed to be? Or should we be calling an ambulance for this woman?!

I am also so down for the whole outro – just great layering of melodies & sounds leaving plenty of little pockets for individual phrases to shine – you always find a way to make repetitive sections like this feel super composed and intentional.

nickFebruary 10, 2024 9:39am

thanks nora! ya, i don’t actually think it should feel too fun, but it also isn’t meant to be a dire situation. the mom and baby are fine. in fact, i think she’s relieved she didn’t have to try and drive the stick to the hospital. now they’re just kind of looking into the stars meditating on time travel. tick_tick__tick____tick____________tick.

BenFebruary 6, 2024 4:59pm

Funny, this song autoplayed and I assumed it was someone else until the “stiiiilllll–”

So fun to hear your take on this type of banger 4 on the floor.

I think i credit Thom Yorke with bridging the gap between these types of drum beats and me. In fact, the “Born in the U at the Lazy A/Falling skies in her eyes/Bloody stucco” part sounds very Yorkey. Then it doesnt anymore after 1;17

The vocals after the tick tick tick sound like they were a lot of fun to record. I also love when the full beat drops at 1;29.I thought we were at maximum, but we weren’t until then.

RyanFebruary 7, 2024 12:28pm

haha yeah I totally thought it was gonna be @@TylerK before the vocal came in. Definitely Yorkey once the second vocal comes in. Great composition on that.

nickFebruary 10, 2024 9:37am

a lot of fun to record for sure. realized i must have been freaking out my tenants—had to relocate.

juliapikerFebruary 6, 2024 2:59pm

Oh this vocal is exactly what I want to hear. So so good. I love that we play with long legato melody alongside more repetitive vox. As always your brain is amazing and comes up with such interesting layers and melodic arrangements. Fuck yes fuck yes. hell yes to the drop out at :38- There is so much perfect movement here. OoOOOOOOOO baby 1:30 lets GOOOOOOOO. I like the juxtaposition of it being a Lazy A against this propulsive and magnetic synth arrangement. It works really well.

I love the lyrics. I have no notes there. You always manage to say so much with so little and i’ve always appreciated that.

nickFebruary 10, 2024 9:36am

d’aw thanks jules. appreciate your vigor.

ZFebruary 9, 2024 7:16pm

@@peter can you filter out the submissions that make me cry?

jk please don’t. This is gorgeous, zero fluff, music puts my body right there, lyrics put my mind right there, well done.

ZFebruary 9, 2024 7:12pm

I love the ‘rubbing your eyes and seeing the tiny spots’ like a meteor show, and the approach of asking the question “why would someone be inside for a meteor shower?” It’s a really cool take on a prompt that could have been an excuse to just write something ‘pretty.’

well done!

ZFebruary 9, 2024 7:05pm

Love it- to get a full performance in one take – something I struggle with! I really like your voice and the raw poignancy suits the parameters well. Since I don’t regard myself as competent with form as some of the other folks around here, I’d suggest that the process of merely multi-tracking this would give it more dimension.

TengoFebruary 9, 2024 5:56pm

Friggin yes to starting with a chorus

Friggin yes to a lovely live arrangement that I’d love to play on someday

Friggin yes to SPACE imagery.

Friggin NO to the fact that we still haven’t watched Interstellar together. When that happens, let’s throw this puppy on while we’re cooking popcorn before the movie.

Congrats on another beaut!

RyanFebruary 9, 2024 6:03pm

Um ok come over

nurphgunFebruary 8, 2024 10:50pm

Lovely. Like @@bogfoxmy favorite part is “light on a string/cow on the moon/your face lit up like all the silver in a spoon” – what a special line. I’m not envisioning tattoos though, more like a childrens’ bedtime book illustrated in really cozy, comforting pastels. On that note, this is so lovely, and I think tightening it up is actually a great idea, because I’m really feeling it more as a lullaby rather than a ballad. It’s comforting & sweet, but it also takes you on a journey and immerses you in somewhere that’s clearly not your bedroom, which is the best way to fall asleep. It reminds me of Goodnight Moon and Headspace’s “sleep stories”, and there is a nice dose of childlike wonder in there. Would you ever consider making a short version that’s only the second “if you’re crying tired” to the end? I think that would be such a sweet lullaby.

RyanFebruary 9, 2024 6:02pm

I could totally picture a lullaby version of this haha that’s super fun. I do want it to work as a full song, though. If I may pick your brain a bit, what do you think is missing right now that would justify its being full length? More tension? More pep? Pulling on what’s interesting about the harmony a bit more? As I’m typing these, I’m realizing I could go for all of ’em hah.

alechutsonFebruary 7, 2024 8:42pm

Calm, welcoming vibe to this song. Definitely works well as an advert for a motel as well as a track that occasionally graces the speakers of the motel bar. Really nicely done, you’re always great at setting a mood with your songs

RyanFebruary 9, 2024 6:00pm

Thank you, sir!

bogfoxFebruary 8, 2024 2:10pm

The Light on a string / Cow on the moon / Your face lit up like all the silver in a spoon moment has been stuck in my head for days now. Good god i don’t have any tattoos and really didn’t plan on starting with sentimental cursive lyrics, but those lines make me want to throw that thought right in the garbage.

Hope this finds its way alongside a few other likeminded songs. I really love this side of you.

RyanFebruary 9, 2024 6:00pm

<3

alechutsonFebruary 9, 2024 4:01pm

Oooh i like the string arrangement paired with with gritty synth.

Does it need to go anywhere from here? I guess if you wanted to extend the song I could see a new section come in with some different chords and new feel. But I can also see this as a fun little interlude between longer tracks on a record.

alechutsonFebruary 4, 2024 9:20pm

this slaps

nickFebruary 5, 2024 4:05pm

HhwhicK-Ttshhhhhhh

alechutsonFebruary 9, 2024 3:56pm

I frequently don’t have an idea of what you’re singing until I read the lyrics. But then I am always blown away by how poetic and intentional it all is. Composition and arrangement is on point, what a BOP

alechutsonFebruary 9, 2024 3:48pm

This is a sleeper slapper. Was not expecting that haha! No notes from me, production is on point and I love the build and imagery.

alechutsonFebruary 9, 2024 3:46pm

WOW. This is a whole universe. Truly remarkable work

alechutsonFebruary 9, 2024 3:44pm

So light and fun, well done! Summer road trip vibes. Great lil guitar solo, and stellar instrumental parts all the way through. Great ending too 😉

I’m with Ryan – I find the lyrics to be more of a compliment to the music because there is so much to pay attention to there, so I find myself reading through them afterwards. That’s not a criticism though, because you write very thoughtfully and in your own voice. I can almost imagine you dropping in one of those lines into a conversation.

alechutsonFebruary 9, 2024 3:33pm

Love all of the inside friend references, I feel cool for catching them 😉

I can definitely hear the fleet foxes in a stairwell vibe — i’m getting some mix of tiger mountain peasant song and a low key father john misty track.

The lyrics all feel very personal and specific, and with loads of depth. Lines like “Maddie chimes in with “I can’t wait to see you girls” / And I know how much this is worth” carry a lot of meaning, even if the listener doesn’t know who you are referring to.

My one note is that I don’t love the word “thing” as a lyric. I acknowledge that it works well in context as an ambiguous “whatever” after party that you’re not thrilled to be at, but i don’t love how it feels aesthetically. Take it with a grain of salt.

RyanFebruary 7, 2024 2:19pm

As always, just freakin’ great to hear you sing. Some of my favorite moments: “managed to rally for the after-thing”, “finale”, “hey, helan gar”, “rememberin’ dates”. All the humming. Just great stuff.

Great feedback question. I agree with what others have said about economizing where needed, excising small words that add to syllable count. With a line that’s inherently complex, I think that’s especially important. Would “I hope they can feel it / and it’s something that’s mine” carry the same meaning for you? Conversely, there’s a line like “Nicole remembers it first” that doesn’t feel quite right in terms of its delivery. Maybe it’s delivery, maybe it’s the lyric. But it’s worth exploring.

Anyway, always love hearing your stuff. This one is particularly sweet.

nurphgunFebruary 8, 2024 10:21pm

Totally with you on “Nicole remembers it first” – it really irks me on every listen – I like the line, but it needs a softer delivery.

RyanFebruary 7, 2024 12:22pm

The rabbit is back, munch munch. This mix is so luscious. Agreed with @@nick on the buttery toms. Wish I knew how to make things sound like that.

I wouldn’t mind waiting on that snare until 1:37. Would that work? Tough to say, but boy do I want to try.

lazyrabbitFebruary 8, 2024 12:50pm

I’m glad you asked I actually had it that way for most of the time I was working on this and flipped at the last second to be earlier. It’s right on the line because once you get the dirty top of that synth bass the song is kind of asking for that snare, but it is sweet to get it right on that drop.

RyanFebruary 7, 2024 3:24pm

lol the comment about cascading melodies sounding like Christmas is spot-on. I wanted to start my process by writing a cascade, but ran into the same problem you’re describing. Decided to focus on the song instead and write one later. I feel lucky that strategy worked. Curious whether you wrote yours first or in response to what you’d already laid down?

Fact is, this is effective. I feel like I’m dancing with my hands up. But I am sitting down and typing.

Re: your question about writing in a major key, I like @@nick‘s suggestions about purposely writing a not-sad (not “happy” but “not-sad”) tune with minor chords and some pep and see where that gets you. But also, most songs are in a major key so ~literally who cares~. You’ve written plenty of songs in a major key that don’t sound happy.

RyanFebruary 7, 2024 3:18pm

Sometimes they don’t come easy! I do think there’s a lot of strong material here, though. Others have weighed in on the lyrics pretty well, so I’ll stick to musical development — I think the major thing that I’m craving is some additional voices. Maybe some synths or some big drawn out guitar strums to juxtapose the jangly upbeat stuff. Could open things up vibe-wise and lead to other realizations, as well.

RyanFebruary 7, 2024 3:10pm

This track genuinely scares me.

Re: mix/master — I think my only observation here is the thinness of the e-kit. I think some more low end and low-mids would go a long way. Warm compression, warm saturation. Badabingbadaboom.

RyanFebruary 7, 2024 3:08pm

Yeah I love the main section of this! Could live in that space for a long time. Mellencamp meets Tom Waits. I was really digging the juxtaposition of the warm/summery instrumental and dark lyrics—not sure it needs to depart into the heavy section! And in regards to your note about vocal melodies that enhance rather than follow, I actually think you very much achieved that!

BenFebruary 5, 2024 12:57pm

There’s something so confident about this song—it knows exactly what it is and what it needs to be. The lyrics made me think of Wes Anderson’s Asteroid City. And like a Wes Anderson scene, everything just clicks into place with this and feels ‘right.’ But also, there’s enough to keep you interested. The chord on “highway” at 1:37 is unexpected and makes you lean into it. And those accidentals in the solo—excellent.

RyanFebruary 7, 2024 2:00pm

Thanks, Benny! Yeah I loved finding that chord on ‘highway’. Not a typical move for me, felt good.

nickFebruary 5, 2024 4:40pm

fun. friggin fun. “Your face lit up like all the silver in a spoon.” get outta here, that’s great. the melody on “or you’re broken down” is written and sung deliciously. and yeah i dig the whole thing. only thoughts are around the … oh wait also that knock on the door is hilarious. ok where was i—thoughts about the solo section. for one, I think the first one shouldn’t lose so much momentum by removing the drum elements/volume. let’s keep this thing cookin! maybe ride? more tambo? i do like the idea of the second solo having the drums drop out, though. and then i’d like to hear a change in the section first heard at 2:07-2:13. first thought was doing something with the solo, but i may just want a little more tension or progression with the chords. it just seems to get the slightest bit flat there for me with the quick return to the root chord. ok, well done cowboy.

nickFebruary 5, 2024 4:43pm

oh and 2:57 bass line into drum fill is double a-ok hands

RyanFebruary 7, 2024 1:59pm

Thanks, brother! Yeah that drum part got way too tucked in the first interlude haha whoops.

Interesting, 2:07 – 2:13 isn’t the root chord, it’s actually two new chords that haven’t shown up in the song yet! But your observation proves I need to bring out what’s new about that harmony. I’ll work on that.

RyanFebruary 7, 2024 1:56pm

Nice melody at the end of that first phrase! Maybe more variation on the setup each time? I think this’ll be a good’n once you develop it! Thanks for sharing as always.

RyanFebruary 7, 2024 1:05pm

Well okay let’s rip mate.

Man do I love the melodies and rhythm on that second vocal. That feels like the emotional core of the song to me. That and the “krrrr-ET” hi-hat at the end of each phrase. The manic vocal at 1:17 actually feels out of place to me. With the story and the vibe. I think melodically it works—but could it be on another voice? A chopped acoustic guitar or something? I think it’s because I want something more organic-sounding, even if it is wonky.

Lyrics are awesome. Agreed with @@juliapiker that you have a real talent for powerful brevity. And I mean “Well outside / Her bailiwick / Sharing stares where / Sands sparely flick / Where hands barely tick” is just an absolute blast.

nickFebruary 7, 2024 1:56pm

lol yeah i think that’s a great callout. it is too fun, and that clashes with the ~relative~ seriousness of the rest of the track. it’s a little bit like “hey it’s all good, dude, whatever man, crazy place, huh??” once i got started with it though i was just not willing to stop 🙃

RyanFebruary 7, 2024 12:19pm

Sup Duce! Welcome!

This is very sunglasses-on-I’m-outta-here. Nice work. Love the slapback on the vocal and the rhythm track. I think your recording quality is just fine, though you could play around with getting a touch more low-end out of the rhythm guitars. One other thing to consider is choosing your spots for the lead guitar to come in and out. Right now, it’s clashing with the vocals in certain places. Getting a little more discerning about where to let it shine could make it all the more satisfying when it’s in.

nickFebruary 5, 2024 11:34am

great guitar playing! real nice rhythm track and the lead is nice and spicy. this is just one approach, but for something like this, you could try doing two takes of the rhythm guitar and panning each of them pretty hard left and right, allowing some space in the middle for vocals and lead. for percussion, not sure what software you’re using, but I love starting with a pre-recorded loop from the software, trying to record some percussion over that, and then removing or even keeping the loop in there. helps with getting a strong rhythmically legitimate take. but yeah, would love some big gritty kit sounds on this one. could definitely expand it. well done, john! (also love the idea of people thinking your son in the profile pic is the one singing.. old soul)

RyanFebruary 7, 2024 12:14pm

yeah super into the idea of hard-panning doubled rhythm tracks on this one

BenFebruary 7, 2024 10:57am

dude you should check out this band Elephantom. they have similar epic, long compositions that sort of blend prog with post rock with psychadelic rock with pop, even with elements of metal and fusion. lots of tight compositions that are complex yet deeply musical and tasteful, paired with heavily syncopated rhythms. scorching instrumentals, a patient long builds.

This is so great. Glad I carved out time for a full, hi-fi listen. Also, as always, great drum programming. Great composition and playing. We would’ve nerded out in highschool together i think.

I think my only suggestion would be to modify something about the 4:27ish part where the drums come in. the drums in that one section sound a little naked or something? thats the only time that i’m taken out of the world you’ve created. I dont know if that means change the composition of them, dirty them up a little with fx, add some bass or synth, lower their volume, or what. but as soon as the bass comes in they start sounding like they sit better, especially as you open up the hihats a little at around 5:12.

The line at 5:50 and 6;00 is so sick. and the epic kick drum in between those two moments. again, such great drum programming. This is a success. 8 and a half minutes of instrumental music, played by a super skilled multi-instrumentalist who loves intricate composition and rhythm and dynamics always has a risk of veering off the rails into Wank Town, but you’ve managed to steer clear. The composition is so patient and pretty and melodic and musical. I mean sure, sometimes you might drive the train right to the gates of Wank Town, just for like 5 seconds, just to shred a little bit and stick out your tongue at the Guitar Center guys who live there. But you never go in. Because legend has it, that once you go into the gates of Wank Town, you grow a soul patch and never leave. Because it’s probably fun.

There’s some Animals As Leaders business happening throughout the entire song.

Thanks for 8 minutes of entertainment that honestly brings me back to some of the stuff that really got me excited about music in my early days.

This one’s… a keeper.

BenFebruary 5, 2024 2:50pm

This completely blew my mind. Not gonna lie, I read the description and saw the length of the track and was like “nah I ain’t got time for this” but I’m so glad I did. This was a journey and I’m glad I went on it. Reminds me of earlier Grizzly Bear songs actually—Daniel Rossen experimenting with unexpected guitar changes combined with Ed Droste’s soundscapes, and songs that take you on winding journeys.

BenFebruary 7, 2024 10:34am

yeah i hear the GB elements here too.

BenFebruary 5, 2024 1:48pm

I dig the structure of this one—cool chord changes and melody! I thinking bringing the rhythm guitar a little louder would help integrate the ingredients somewhat—when there’s kind of a key change at 0:39, we’re mostly hearing that change in the vocals, and if the guitar were a little louder it might lock that change in in with a little more oomph.

nickFebruary 5, 2024 4:01pm

i agree!

nurphgunFebruary 6, 2024 9:47pm

0:39 is such a great moment in this song

BenFebruary 7, 2024 10:33am

yeah, good suggestion. in fact, there isnt even the chunking rhythm guitar during the first verse and chorus. maybe i just bring up the main guitar track then. or just add some keys.

RyanFebruary 6, 2024 10:14pm

Dude—so, so fun haha.

“Robert Rioul” into “OOOwhoa” is such a fantastic section change—melodically, lyrically, harmonically. Super into it. I feel very strongly that there should be a crescendoing pad throughout that entire section. Something with a little movement to it that pushes us along to the next section. When you get to the reprise of that section around the 2:00 mark, I’m down for it to dry up as it does.

Git solo is sick. Git it, if you will.

Honestly, your lyrics are always a little hard for me to follow because the music that accompanies them is so interesting that I end up following that more. Your lyrics stick with me more on the 5th or 6th listen. So I guess what I’m saying is, I’ll get back to you.

BenFebruary 7, 2024 10:30am

thanks man! curious if the git solo came off as satirical or ernest. in fact, i’m curious how you interpreted that whole little section (1:40-1:56). What do people think that section is all about? Was it clear?

Also, that makes so much sense about my lyrics vs instrumentals. As a listener, I gravitate toward instruments the first dozen listens, then lyrics eventually after that. And clearly that same part of my brain is active when making my own songs.

BenFebruary 7, 2024 10:03am

hey sam! no real suggestions here. i love the chords and the vocals, and would love to hear this fleshed out. And i agree with nick about the harmonies. that would sound great.

BenFebruary 7, 2024 10:01am

this might sound oddly specific, but it does show up in lots of movies, books, tv etc: I love the idea of a scene where shit is going down, or people are fighting, or storylines are climaxing, and then, suddenly, a natural (or sometimes supernatural) celestial phenomenon begins, and both sides become too distracted but the occurrence in the skies, and they can’t help but look up, some of them drop their weapons, some of them weep, some are just too in awe to continue fighting. It’s not exactly what’s going on in your song, but it reminded me of this trope and i loved it.

BenFebruary 5, 2024 12:29pm

I love whatever chord is hit at 0:51 – adding that ambiguous suspense is what takes this to the next level. Nice.

nickFebruary 5, 2024 4:16pm

totally. that’s a real level-jumper.

Its PlayFebruary 6, 2024 7:34pm

I like it too! 🙂

I don’t know any chord names except for the basic ones but it is (capo on 5th taken into consideration) A string 3rd fret, D string 3rd fret and G string 2nd fret, so like an E chord but pushed up one fret higher, give it a whirl!

BenFebruary 6, 2024 7:52pm

Fmaj7 👍🏻 Typically you’d put a finger on the 1 on the low E string so you’re getting an F in the bass and an E on the top, but it’s all groovy.

Its PlayFebruary 7, 2024 6:30am

@@BennyJamJamz Good to know! Also mean shout with the finger on 1, I just tried it out and it really ties the low end of the note together well would’ve never known cheers!

nurphgunFebruary 6, 2024 9:13pm

Love how you rhyme “our” with “power” – delightfully unexpected and playful. Also “stargazing is the ancient TV” = great line and sentiment. Reminds of my fav line from one of my fav movies Mad Max: Fury Road when the girls are looking up at an old defunct satellite and one of them says, “in the old world, everyone had a show.”

When I was writing my submission, I kept singing the line “and the heavens rained down in a grand finale” – eventually I changed it to “and the comets came down in a grand finale” – but man there is something so compelling about that phrase.

Well done!

Its PlayFebruary 7, 2024 6:27am

Thank you!

Yeah I like my rhymes haha, its always fun to see what seemingly dissimilar words can rhyme with each other.

This assignment was fun to consider because I actually love space and stargazing! Straight up its the ancient TV I love looking up ay haha

The Heavens Rain Down really resonated with me to, I think it has a nice ring to it.

Appreciate the feedack!

BenFebruary 6, 2024 4:53pm

those first 40 seconds when i something is about DROP and i cant wait. Love the dirrty synth bass. such a great and simple drum fill then dropout. Also just a really solid chord progression in general. This song needs a sequel because right now the killer is still on the loose. He got away! Into the night.

lazyrabbitFebruary 7, 2024 12:09am

Thanks!! He did indeed get away 😬 but I can’t guarantee he’ll be caught in the sequel.

zoyaFebruary 6, 2024 9:28pm

i love the humming it’s so perfect and captures what it feels like to look at a meteor shower in such an unexpected way

nurphgunFebruary 6, 2024 11:06pm

Thank you!!

nurphgunFebruary 6, 2024 10:07pm

I love the lyrics so much, they have a playfulness, lightheartedness, and hilarity that is very you; it makes me smile. The whole composition screams “road trip” to me – the desire to feel the joy and freedom is palpable yet there is no whiff of anything hackneyed about “the open road” or “getting outta town” or “escaping.” It’s clear that you consider the road trip to be one of life’s pleasures, but not life’s only pleasure – if that makes sense (And i’m glad because i’d be sad otherwise lol)

@@nick‘s comment on my song was about seeing where you can remove sentence structure from a lyric to let the most important words shine. That’s fresh on my mind, and so I’m feeling like there are a couple places where the sentence structure drags things down a little – like “although the trip was couple months before that day” and “I also like the ones that look like something’s going on.” Maybe it’s not even the words but how they are placed that need to change.

I always want songs to be on the short side, but this one is just the right length (after you cut out Sam’s outro.) The radio interlude and guitar solos are just right.

Sam’s cute

BenFebruary 6, 2024 10:49pm

Oops its actually spelled “Rioual” with an a btw.

nurphgunFebruary 6, 2024 10:54pm

oops just found him on linkedin

nurphgunFebruary 6, 2024 10:43pm

Thanks for sharing your process here – with that background knowledge, I am hearing that maybe this tune hasn’t found what it wants to be yet. Maybe you could find a way to bring the motel setting and the meteor shower back to the fore. For me, the lyrics are focused only on the interpersonal conflict, and not enough on the setting or the details that I think would actually raise the stakes of the conflict and make it more salient. Maybe less exposition about how the conflict unfolded (“you said something that made me feel weird, I sat and waited for awhile trying to think of a way to tell you”) and more emphasis on the feelings (“you think that I’m having a moment, I’ll show you the box you’ve opened” – great line by the way).

I do love the last verse – “I try to always be honest, Speaking from the heart when I have the chance, But that just keeps on losing me people that, I’m trying to break through to, you see? But it’s all what you make of the scene” – such a specific feeling, and I like the ambiguity of the last line.

nurphgunFebruary 6, 2024 10:24pm

So compelling from the get-go. “blocking my view of the goddamn shower” – I’m shaking my fist with you.

RyanFebruary 6, 2024 10:21pm

First off, well done on challenging yourself to complete the assignment! It’s seriously no small feat. Second, this feels like a complete thought to me, to be honest! I think you have the right amount of melodic variation, the pacing works well, and the “oo’s” are just enough of a break to provide the needed space. My only recommendation would be (and this is an exercise I put myself through often) to identify your favorite lyric and then make sure all the others are as close to it in quality as possible. Can be painstaking, but often rewarding.

nickFebruary 5, 2024 11:19am

on time indeed—nicely done! and thanks for sharing even an early brainstorm. absolutely worth hearing.

a lot of these lyrics stand out in a great way. strong and clear but not obvious or overdone. “i hate so little, and none of you..” love this line. also the first line and whole verse is very compelling. i think at the very least, the outro “ooos” could be woven in again, either as an intro or in between verse 2 and 3. i dont think there’s a chorus here, but who needs one? say what you gotta say and get out of there. or just use the “ooos” as a sort of chorus. thumbs up.

BenFebruary 5, 2024 1:04pm

Big proponent of the Ooos As A Chorus movement.

RyanFebruary 6, 2024 10:17pm

“I hate so little and none of you” is so good!

troodsFebruary 6, 2024 12:08pm

Love!! Was adding my own harmonies within the first 30 seconds. This has got some Billy Bragg/Wilco vibes and I’m all about it. If you ever want some live backup vocs when you take this one on tour, I know a gal 🙂

Funny that you say this sprung up fully formed in your head, because it feels like it’s always lived in mine!

RyanFebruary 6, 2024 10:10pm

Ah, good! Was thinking of Wilco as a reference while writing it! And yes, I want to have a bunch of background vocals on my next record and would love for you to be one of the voices!!

nickFebruary 5, 2024 4:01pm

well that’s just too cute, hey? consider “enforted” enshrined in the english language. yeah really dig the ri-OUL ride sections. sweet and starry. and a big kudos to you for all the live instruments. interruptions and all. Really nice lyric writing too. funny and concise. good about doing on. below is my favorite section. well done, dude!

I’m making the most of it / I’m heading east on a moped / I might pick up smoking though /The crickets are croaking now / Life is easy in a sleazy little suite or bnb room

nickFebruary 5, 2024 4:01pm

sam’s “hi hat” is fantastic

nurphgunFebruary 6, 2024 10:08pm

hiyat

RyanFebruary 6, 2024 10:06pm

Just noticed that high note at 0:45 — didn’t realize that sneaked in right before the vocals. biiiiig into that.

nickFebruary 5, 2024 11:45am

oh im all about the “hmmph” at :29. very well executed. “the sky is falling and im two nights from chicago.” im such a sucker for that kind of lyricism. hmm, from here? maybe something that feels more open? a spacier section could be a nice counterpart to the fuller sections you’ve already created.

RyanFebruary 6, 2024 10:04pm

Space is what I’m thinking, too. Maybe a free-floating-lush-but-light type of thing.

BenFebruary 5, 2024 10:22am

If you told Tom Waits to write the sequel to The Real Slim Shady using nothing but a xylophone made out of bones, you’d get the first 24 seconds or so of this this song.

agasthyaFebruary 5, 2024 10:44am

hahaha I realized as soon as I posted it that the marimba riff is basically the same as real slim shady. When i was growing up my dad went through a phase of having the Tom Waits album “Alice” on repeat, and it definitely influenced my overall musical instincts.

RyanFebruary 6, 2024 10:03pm

hahahah Ben. Amazing.

RyanFebruary 6, 2024 10:01pm

Welcome back, bogfox. (:

Unsurprisingly, this is completely gorgeous. You’re one of my favorite guitar players ever. This is so pianistic! I wish I was an all-six-fingies kind of guy like yourself.

1:16, umm hello beautiful. This is one of those times where I can’t tell if I love that this is 90 seconds long or if I wish it were 10 minutes long. I frickin love this.

zoyaFebruary 6, 2024 9:51pm

the intro is pristine — sounds like mermaids in the background what is that?

Echoing what everyone else said about the lyrics, felt like I was there watching the story unfold

nurphgunFebruary 6, 2024 9:42pm

I love this @@zoya. Beautiful lyrics and expressively performed, you really have a well-defined sound and vibe going already with your singing and songwriting. I love “screen door slams/truck backs up” – so cool to bring the lyrics back down to earth (~literally~) when they’ve been in outer space for the first half of the tune.

Do you know the song Big Dipper by Cracker? One of my faves – it reminds me of this. Not just because of celestial subject matter, but vocal delivery, too.

zoyaFebruary 6, 2024 9:38pm

thumping tail kind of adds a cool beat to this

I loooooved what happened at second 33/34. I don’t know what chord that was but I liked it so much I went back and listened to it again

nurphgunFebruary 6, 2024 9:34pm

You have such a beautiful vocal range, and I like that you used it all in this tune – gorgeous high vibrato AND low vibrato, and you can hop around the staff seemingly effortlessly.

I love your additional parameters. I take a similar attitude with the submissions these days – in an ideal world I’d be challenging myself with something complex, but, different seasons of life, etc. – sometimes the most important thing is just to finish something & put it out there.

I really like the uncertain feeling the last chord gives – I’m glad you didn’t end it back on the one chord – works perfectly with the lyric.

RyanFebruary 6, 2024 10:03am

This is awesome. You have one of my favorite vibratos of all time.

Nice melodies here—especially the ascension at the end of that first phrase. Super nice. And the quick descensions at the end of chorus.

Good call adding those additional parameters! Love that it got you writing. Truly can’t wait to hear more.

troodsFebruary 6, 2024 11:54am

Thank you so much, Ryan, that means a lot! It was definitely helpful to add parameters. Excited to try again and learn more about recording on my computer.

nurphgunFebruary 6, 2024 9:28pm

I’m also a proud member of@@troods vibrato fan club

BenFebruary 6, 2024 4:34pm

great, functional extra params. i should try those sometimes.

Well done! Glad to see you here!

Excellent use of “the gloaming.” i only know that word in a radiohead context, so it’s nice to see it out in the world.

My two fav lines are the first and last. The “not as dark” hits hard for some reason. Literally darkness definitely feels different as an adult, although… things and ideas for sure seem darker as an adult.

And the meteor landing without anyone feels profound, somehow both a little scary, and very sad for some reason.

This is so great. Hope to hear more music from you throughout this NCBC sesh.

nurphgunFebruary 6, 2024 9:27pm

I don’t think I knew that “gloaming” was a real word 😁

nurphgunFebruary 6, 2024 9:25pm

@@juliapiker The emotion in this. It’s such a powerful, devastating vignette. Key card doesn’t work, kicking rocks into the dirt, oof.

We watched A Murder at the End of the World a couple months ago, and since you did such brilliant work on that show, I couldn’t help but think of Bill and Darby as the two characters in this song, and it honestly works for me big time. I was so enchanted by those characters, and I feel like this song is a deleted/bonus scene.

I am a sucker always for grouped/clustered vocals – I wouldn’t change it. Whenever I’m recording vocals and I double my own voice, upon first playback I always feel like “ah, there we go.” It creates so much cohesion IMO. Maybe the very last line, “without you”, could work in one voice.

troodsFebruary 6, 2024 12:12pm

hello to the gentle reverb-y echo that follows your consonants! what a lovely tone, the humming feels like it’s following me.

the lyrics feel all natural to me, but I’m not super experienced in lyric writing…it feels narrative, gentle, sweet. this tune feels like a gentle bridge between two differing halves in an album – tender, prosaic, listenable.

BenFebruary 6, 2024 4:19pm

wow yeah, the S’s and T’s! didnt notice that until you mentioned that

nurphgunFebruary 6, 2024 9:03pm

Thanks @@troods ! 💚

BenFebruary 6, 2024 4:24pm

“The after-thing.” What a perfect way of summing that kind of event. Sometimes in the chaos and haze of a wedding, or just a friday night in highschool or college, when there’s this other party that you know is happening somewhere, sometime, it really just feels like an after “thing.” You don’t know exactly what it is, where it is, or who’s hosting it or how you’ll get there (and back), and every time you hear a little more info on the event, certain parts of it have changed. So you just end up walking as this giant group and hope that whoever is in the front of the glob of people knows where theyre going.

BenFebruary 6, 2024 4:24pm

This is amazing, and so different than the original piano version that I heard you playing.

Its PlayFebruary 6, 2024 7:56pm

Idk about the US but in New Zealand (and probably Australia cause we always share slang) we call this kick-ons haha, usually more of a party type term tho, just thought I’d drop a fun fact lol

nurphgunFebruary 6, 2024 9:02pm

@@Ben yes exactly. A big glob of people who don’t know where they’re going. Hannah and Axel’s after-thing was, I think, the last time I was a part of such a glob. For fun I just googled the phrase “after thing” (in quotes) because I definitely didn’t make it up, but nothing really comes up in my google search. It’s a lot of people saying “thing after thing”.

@@Its Play love it! managed to rally for the kick-on (kick-ons?)

peterFebruary 6, 2024 7:03pm

this is the paranoid dealers party i want to be invited to…

TylerKFebruary 6, 2024 8:01pm

I’ll bring the money if you bring the stuff.

nickFebruary 5, 2024 12:40pm

love the scene you’re setting. definitely thought it was sexual before reading your description, which was probably on purpose and worked like a charm. what’s the “5 and 0..” line all about? and lol about the cascading line feeling like christmas. the whole snow thing is right there, so understandable.

really interesting comment in your feedback box. i think it’s such a common downfall when you’re trying to write something “sad” that you over-steep every single element in sadness. as an experiment, i would fool around with a minor chord progression, and actively do the opposite of your inclinations. maybe it’s fast. maybe its not about a sad topic. maybe there are trumpet stabs. regardless, just shake off the standard feeling of going to write a minor song by doing (nearly) everything happily. i dont know what will happen, but duh.

BenFebruary 5, 2024 1:16pm

I’d be so interested in compiling lists of songs that are sad-coded but make use of non-sad tropes (like major chords, horns,) and happy-coded songs that make use of sad tropes.

TylerKFebruary 6, 2024 8:00pm

Any sex undertones in my songs are 100% intentional, good catch haha.

“5 and 0” has two meanings to me. One being the less obvious one that exists in my head – one of the characters has had 5 successful drug deals and hasn’t ran into any trouble yet. So his record is 5 and 0. The other is a reference to Hawaii Five-0 to put out the idea that someone here is a cop.

And good call about the minor activity. Maybe that’s it, I’m going into minor songwriting expecting it to be sad and boring if it’s minor. Maybe I switch to an instrument i’m not familiar with and just let what comes out come out and not try to make it immediately pleasing to my ear. I keep serving desert first, I need to build up some appetizers.

Its PlayFebruary 6, 2024 7:48pm

Vibey as flip, smooth as butter, good stuff ay! Only thing for me personally is that the intro is quite long, but honestly its good either way. Also I thing the grouped vocals are algoods throughout!

alechutsonFebruary 6, 2024 12:20pm

Chill and vibey in a sweet lo fi way. I agree with @@nick— I think this piece just needs a pass of trimming. The guitar intro into the verse into “i breathe in and out” has a very natural flow and there’s really nice variation/evolution. Around “the way that this sight” I feel like it could change again, maybe back to the verse vibe. The heavy strumming at the end is a nice way to end it, I like the ramp in energy. In any case, lots of great potential in here!

Its PlayFebruary 6, 2024 7:29pm

Thank you! Yeah I was a lil unsure about that verse where I say “the way that this sight” but I love the line “we just get by as the stars start to leave the sky” so was a bit torn about it and decided to leave it in haha, might try change the first part of the verse. Yeah at the end I was just improvising some hammers and pull offs around the normal progression so I went a bit harder to bring those out 🙂

Cheers for your feedback!

RyanFebruary 6, 2024 1:11pm

Welcome! Psyched to have you here.

Echoing what others have pointed out here, this tune will be excellent once you tighten up the structure. Plenty of great material to work with. Catchy chorus. Also just want to mention you have great natural vocal tone!

Its PlayFebruary 6, 2024 7:24pm

Yeah I’ll revisit it and give it a lil tune up defs! Thanks so much for your feedback!

BenFebruary 6, 2024 3:53pm

Hey! Nice job. I was quickly grabbed by your voice. Unexpected and really nice. Then the “people I love” line really grabbed me a few seconds later. I agree with Nick about the OK stuff. Theres a little bit in the middle where some momentum is potentially lost.

The one thing that makes it complicated is: What are you going for? Are you going for A.) a live-ish guitar + voice song or eventually B.) a more produced multitrack song? Things like @@nick‘s suggestion about the trumpet outro would be great if youre going for B. But if youre going for A, I’d say it’s all just structure. Like maybe see if you can snip a total of like 25 seconds out from somewhere between 2:20 and 3:30. Easier said than done though of course.

My only other suggestion, which is purely subjective, is maybe change up the strumming a little bit on the chunks after each of those first lines (0:37-0:39, 0:42-0:44 etc etc). I think the same chunking over and over again was a little bit clunky or too rhythmically intense for me, but that’s really my only suggestion

Its PlayFebruary 6, 2024 7:22pm

Hey thank you so much! Yeah from what I can I gather the sentiment is that I should cut some stuff out but thats algoods!

I generally go for multitrack songs but for this one I’d like to keep it rather simple, maybe some perc and a synth or two.

Also yeah that verse after 2.20 may need a revamp or need to be cut is a lil slow, might give it a revisit. And yeah hahaha to be honest I’m much better at writing guitar than I am at playing (not to say I’m a crazy writer) so my strumming patterns are kind of more reflective of my skill level than anything else lol.

Thanks for your feedback!

peterFebruary 6, 2024 7:14pm

i’m so into this… i want to see this music in a dirty basement club with no windows. i appreciate how dominating the bass is and how you threw the vocal tracks around- it’s a consuming listening experience. very cool stuff my dude.

peterFebruary 6, 2024 6:57pm

i listened to this twice and wanted to come back to it before commenting… but like nick the chorus was with me between listens. the vox are sitting above everything, which is a cool vibe here. if the vox were mixed down, the guitar up, and if they shared some effects textures (reverb etc) it might make it feel like these 2 things are in the room together, which would be cool sitting over the percussion

nickFebruary 5, 2024 11:05am

yeah dude, stoked to have you back. im pretty happy with the chords and the instrumental arrangements. creepy, definitely stuck in a room feeling, and i think you’ve got something unchained going on vocally akin to some david byrne which is quite cool. for me, the adjustment I’d like to see is making sure the live instruments line up more rhythmically with the drum loops. once all of those pieces fit tightly together, it will leave more space for your voice to standout with that expressively urgent style.

also, how about that gif profile pic???? jealous

BenFebruary 5, 2024 12:16pm

Thanks, Nick! David Byrne is definitely up there for vocal inspiration—I don’t think of myself as “good singer,” so I feel like I need to lean into the stylistic stuff if I’m going to lay down vox.

drum loops – aw, how did you know? Yeah, it’s definitely the default garage band drummer going on here. Do you have any software or tips on syncing up programmed drum loops more? Because nothing ever compares to a live groove, that’s for sure.

nickFebruary 6, 2024 3:24pm

The drum loops are always a reliable source of metronomic rhythm, ya know? They’re tight. And so anything recorded against them will have to match that tightness, or else it sticks out. I’d suggest recording one thing at time against the drums, and before moving on, zooming into the waveforms so you can visually compare the peaks and valleys of both tracks to make sure your live track aligns with the drums. Sometimes you can get away with nudging an entire live track a few milliseconds to the right (almost always to the right—humans rush) and be done with it. But if it’s only a few sections that need adjustment, make cuts around the rushed sections and nudge them until they match. piece o’ cake. MORE than happy to talk further about this as it’s my favorite thing in the world.

BenFebruary 6, 2024 6:40pm

Thanks for going into detail! I know my current software has a one-click quantize button—I’m going to hit that just to hear the difference, so I can pay more attention to it in the future.

alechutsonFebruary 6, 2024 12:24pm

LOVE the quality and expression of your voice here. Tom Waits meets David Byrne and Modest Mouse.

Would really like to hear this with live drums, a bit less of the synth and more bass in the mix. Great job on this one!

BenFebruary 6, 2024 6:39pm

I never thought I’d get a compliment on my vocals—like, ever. Thank you so much for the kind words. Maybe I’ve finally landed on a style that works for my limited range. And yeah, I definitely need to mix this one a little more—it totally needs more bass, I agree.

RyanFebruary 6, 2024 1:14pm

This is raaaaaad. Awesome attitude and blend of throwback Modest Mouse/Byrne meets something newer and appropriately eerier. Agreed with @@nick that the groove could improve—nothing wrong with the drum loops in my opinion, but sitting back with all the live instruments would help develop pocket. Maybe some saturation and filtering on the loops, too. To help them sound less like they’re trying to be natural. Good stuff!

BenFebruary 6, 2024 6:38pm

Thanks so much! I think for this song, I’d rather lean into the drums being live (maybe hire a session drummer on Fiverr? I’ve done it, it works!) rather than lean into the intentional electronic drums. But I think what you’re saying is that you have to choose a lane—pre-programmed drums that almost sound live are almost uncanny valley, and you might as well go electronic bleeps.

BenFebruary 6, 2024 4:12pm

Come for the plucky tones, stay for the plunky tone’s polyrhythms. I almost wish those intro polyrhythms could play a bigger role in the song throughout.

The major (major 7th?) chord at 3:40 hits so nicely.

I love the David bowie, David Byrne, Tom Waits, Nick Cave. It’s got this 80s New Wave dark talky growly vocals.

Great vibe.

I also really like the high harmony around 3:25ish. 

Yeah, as @@nick already alluded to: it’s really just the rhythms that take me out of the incredibly authentic and cool vibe that the rest of your parts are creating.

Yes, software drums are rhythmically perfect, but that perfection drives me crazy when I’m making music for a few reasons: 1. I have to be as perfectly tight. 2. using a long track of software drums sometimes keeps the song feeling flat as a whole and makes it harder for me to let it evolve rhythmically, dynamically, and structurally. And then also, 3. The software-tight drums make it hard to let my playing breath where it needs to breath.

I’ve seen Nick work his magic with the rightward nudge, and I often do this myself now. That could work, or you could try getting even more granular: Remove certain drums at certain moments to remove elements that dont line up with your other instruments’ live playing. Let drums rest at times. I think you can also adjust the swing of a drum track with most DAWs. Maybe it instantly lines up better that way, or maybe you find that if you just re-record to a drumbeat with a different level of swing, you’ll notice things sitting way better.

The other thing would just be to experiment with changing the beat, adding drums, removing drums, etc to make the sections of the song stand out from each other more.

Nice work here, very cool song.

Also please tell me how you got a gif pic to work. I tried and failed.

BenFebruary 6, 2024 6:36pm

Thanks for the kind words! If you know anyone in Seattle with a drum kit and expendable free time, let me know—because live is always better, innit?

I’ll definitely experiment with this advice—hopefully for a future NCBC track.

As for the GIF, well, I made a GIF and uploaded it and it worked. So beyond that, 🤷🏻‍♂️

BenFebruary 6, 2024 5:08pm

“you knowwwwwww” love that.

Hey man, happy to be listening to your music again. Love this. I could hear a full band playing this. I wonder what it would sound like without some of the reverb/effects.

maybe the only unnecessary part is 1:29-1:34. it follows a great guitar line, and leads to a satisfying chorus. What if you just dropped into the chorus right from that cool double tracked guitar line?

i also really love the guitar lines toward the end. Really well done. Hope I get hear this song in whatever incarnations it may exist in for years.

BenFebruary 6, 2024 5:03pm

Wow, the vocals, even though theyre SO quiet and light and so strangely CLEAR. I’d actually be fine if the whole song was just the first 1:07.

This is so cool. I love LA, but every time i go there, i feel the exact same way. i think theres too much fire.

BenFebruary 5, 2024 3:15pm

This is sweet! The vocal layering really reminds me of Thom Yorke, especially his solo stuff. If I were to change something, it’d be the chorus at 1:16 feels like it needs a little more variation. I think lines 1 2 and 3 are the same chords, with a little variation on line 4—but I was hoping for a variation by the time we hit line 3. It could be something small, like the relative minor, but something to break it up a little more. Great tune, though.

nickFebruary 6, 2024 3:13pm

thanks ben! mmm yeah i hear that about the variation. in the first version, that’s exactly what I had. then I actually accidentally deleted it and got hooked on this trance-ier mayhem. great suggestion.

BenFebruary 6, 2024 5:00pm

ya @@BennyJamJamz i had the same thought about Thom Yorke.

BenFebruary 6, 2024 4:48pm

Man you have such good pop sensibilities and know how to make a 90 second long banger.

BenFebruary 6, 2024 4:48pm

oh hey, good to see you!

0;48 to the end is incredible. So much fully composed, fully band potential

BenFebruary 6, 2024 4:46pm

bluesy. pop that clutch and lets go. Can we thicken up some of the sounds? I like the rhythm and i think it can stand alone just fine as only guitars and vocals, but I think i just wish the guitars were a little bigger sounding. Nice work. Looking forward to your next one.

BenFebruary 6, 2024 4:43pm

Chris, when Nora and I were casually listening to some NCBC entries on Sunday night, we both seriously perked up when this song came on. This is so cool. You officially wrote the most badass intro of the week. I love how the vocals come in immediately and sort of pingpong from side to side. great vocal tone. SO creepy. Also the way you come out of that last vocal note in the song is really well executed and well conceived.

This song would be seriously worth making a couple tweaks to and releasing. namely, something like what @@nicksaid. tinker with the drums a little. maybe change or evolve them slightly from section to section, but that’s basically it. this is awesome.

BenFebruary 6, 2024 4:38pm

Wow, the intro to this was really effective. So were the string stabs that come in around 1;09!

BenFebruary 6, 2024 4:36pm

the “lo-o-o-ve” in “I still love when your smell comes through” is so well-delivered.

BenFebruary 6, 2024 4:18pm

Can hear an equally-delayed-as-your-vox, earthy sounding snare, kick, ride in this.

This is so mellow, yet it somehow reminds me of some slightly harderhitting post-rock stuff for some reason. Maybe because of the continuous building guitar chunking for the entire time.

This is so great.

And the slightly unsettling tiny synth noise at 2:06 is in such good contrast with the rest of the notes, which are all resolving so nicely.

So cinematic, and full. Love this.

troodsFebruary 6, 2024 12:05pm

Juliaaaaaa!!!!!

I could truly listen again and again. Just stunning, moved me – felt like a twisty improvement on an early aughts indie track for a movie that would definitely, definitely make me cry. I’m never leavin’…this track, because it fucking slaps.

nickFebruary 6, 2024 3:27pm

👏

troodsFebruary 6, 2024 12:18pm

I second @@BennyJamJamz and I offer – This is like Thom Yorke and Phoenix had a baby.

This is such a bop. It’s got me feeling like I need to jump around, what a crispy little parcel. I don’t have anything constructive to say because I’m way out of my depth but I really, really enjoyed it.

Tick tick tick, baby!!!!

nickFebruary 6, 2024 3:10pm

🕰

juliapikerFebruary 6, 2024 2:47pm

Obsessed with your submission as always. So good. My mind always goes into arrangement mode when I listen to your stuff. All the elements are perfect, production is top notch. I feel like we can fuck with where each element belongs and when it should enter. Obviously mallets and vox coming in at the top together are hot hot hot- but what if we waited on the guitar to come in a little bit later. After you say “Chicago”? I also think that the mallets could come in and out- I think playing with the arrangement here could be really fun.

RyanFebruary 6, 2024 1:23pm

This is gorgeous. Great atmosphere, awesome melodies, and excellent minimal guitar backbone. Nothing contrived about this.

Regarding the question about vocal arrangement, I like the stacks but definitely wouldn’t mind hearing the “main” vocal a bit more present. Additionally, at the end, I want some of the higher background harmonies to open up. Definitely don’t want to compromise the natural sound you achieved here, but if some of the vocals were a little less restrained, I think that might put the final touch on the emotional palate for me. Great work!

alechutsonFebruary 6, 2024 12:27pm

The queen of vibey soundscapes is at it again! Really dropped into this one, I think all of your choices work for me here. Love the octaved delayed vocals, gives some Boy Genius vibes.

troodsFebruary 6, 2024 12:21pm

It feels like I’m listening to you sing this with your head on the pillow, hands over your eyes.

The mixing is *chef’s kiss* to me – the other elements don’t overtake/imbalance your vocals, and were they louder they might throw off the perfect equilibrium, but in this context they settle like lincoln logs in perfect alignment.

troodsFebruary 6, 2024 12:00pm

Love the intentional stumblings, haltings, rumblings, twinklings, especially of the first 3 minutes. Like the dizzy twilight slumber/waking of a mid-hibernation animal in the night.

troodsFebruary 6, 2024 11:57am

This felt intimate to listen to, as if I were eavesdropping on someone’s evening heartfelt solo jam. Loved it!

nickFebruary 6, 2024 9:35am

have to mention ive been singing this chorus all morning 🌟

BenFebruary 5, 2024 6:46pm

Agree with the below comments—fanTASTIC mix, and would love to hear the rest of the band kick in. Funny that Nick mentioned Ob-la-di, as I was thinking this has some McCartney-esque chord changes that are complicated but also just feel right.

Would love to know what your recording setup is like. Also, did you multitrack the acoustic guitars and pan one to each ear? Because that sounds super good.

nickFebruary 5, 2024 4:25pm

is it friggin cold in here? chills. glad you gave this thing ago, and that it brought you back to your roots. “is this a game to you” has an excellent melody. and “key card” is just a great thing to use as a lyric. the ambiguity of exactly what’s going on here is intriguing… is this just a joke? is there something more sinister afoot? if so, who is planning it?

im totally digging the delayed groupy vox. could definitely hear a straightforward kit chunkin away at some point. i know a guy.

peterFebruary 5, 2024 5:15pm

maybe this is a joke? i definitely thought it was a shitty abusive relationship 😬

BenFebruary 5, 2024 4:05pm

Duuuude, I haven’t heard the music you’ve been making lately, and this is a welcome re-introduction. Your vocal performance is so tender and I love the way you’re close-mic’ed, it really makes this song feel intimate and delicate, like James Blake. Agree with Nick on the levels—there’s a beautiful cinematic chord pattern that’s almost lost. It took me a second listen to get those 7th chords on the guitar. Secondly, I feel like the song could sound more sonically integrated, but I’m not sure how to achieve that. The drums feel like they’re part of a different song (I’m referring to the tonal and aural quality, not the pattern). I think this is another thing that can be tweaked by mixing it a little more—maybe more reverb and a little overdrive so they sound more ‘in a room’? That’s the tough thing about mixing live vocals (and yours are so live, so human) with electronic elements. I’d love to hear other’s suggestions on this.

Please keep working on this and post the next version, it’s so good.

nickFebruary 5, 2024 4:08pm

yeah James Blake meets Corinne Bailey Rae on acid

RyanFebruary 5, 2024 3:58pm

This is my favorite Daeclan submission so far. Great drum choices, great vocal delivery. Getting a fair bit of Yo La Tengo and I think that direction works super well for you.

“The sky is falling fr this time” is such an excellent lyric. Sad, but also pithy. Whole first verse is great. Side note: should the title for this song be “Fr This Time”, to get the double meaning of both “for real this time” and “free this time”?

Re: mix, yeah it’s tricky. Have you ever put together a session template for yourself? With pre-routed buses, a few plugins ready to go, etc. As an amateur mixer, I find using my template insanely helpful.

peterFebruary 5, 2024 2:53pm

this is so beautiful and tragic. knowing that the sky is filled with other-worldly excitement and beauty, which she does not experience at all because she’s caught in this toxic spiral, staring down at her feet. it’s chilling.

i wonder if there’s a way to help a listener who does not know the prompt understand her setting more (had she looked up, maybe she would have realized the relationship was BAD)… it could be shifting a lyric or 2 or renaming the song?

agasthyaFebruary 4, 2024 10:26pm

I’m obsessed with this. The guitar sounds great. I like the group vocals – it keeps it in the ethereal vibe you cultivate over that intro. Maybe include the lower register layer (like what you can hear during the “key card doesn’t work” section) at the end, but just for “never leaving this motel”. Great great great songwriting.

agasthyaFebruary 5, 2024 9:45am

ok after my 1000th listen, i think it actually might be cool to hear a stronger “main” voice but just on some phrases: “locked the door“, “kicking rocks“*. like just a leeetle emphasis so we can ground the emotions a bit within the ethereal vocals.

*@@peter feature suggestion – option to add a 30sec voice memo to comments so we can sing what we’re trying to convey?

BenFebruary 5, 2024 1:00pm

very cool idea.

peterFebruary 5, 2024 2:38pm

cool idea for sure! noted.

nickFebruary 5, 2024 12:44pm

really nice sounds in here. and the harmonizer pedal is working for me. one little thought could be a harmony with the “ooos” that comes in every other time to highlight the change in the low note of the guitar. dont know if it would work, but may be nice to try. thanks for sharing!

BenFebruary 5, 2024 12:41pm

Hauntingly beautiful! The soundscape in the intro has so much subtlety—it must have been tempting to make those wind chime-esque sounds louder, but I love how they’re kept down. “I’m never leaving” is so haunting and aching, and after something like 30 seconds, we’re finally hit with that resolution “without you” that brings it to a close—tension and release is so often done in chords, and you’ve managed to do it in lyrics. This is awesome.

BenFebruary 5, 2024 12:37pm

I listened last night on my phone in the backyard and got 20 seconds in before i was like “Noooooope, not gonna listen to this thru my iphone speakers. this is a Monday afternoon living room stereo listen.” Looking forward to this one.

daeclanFebruary 4, 2024 9:24pm

welcome back 🙂 i rly dig the direction you took this. feels real, honest; i can feel the quiet post•surgery desperation. getting REM & the smiths energy in a good way. def not the best person for mixing notes, but here were thoughts:

for the most part the mix/vocals felt good and balanced.

0:57 – 1:20 & 1:57-2:19, etc. felt a little crowded, maybe bring down a couple elements or keep the guitar sounds panned to one side? this felt intentional, so if this is the vibe you were aiming for, rock on m8

rly dug the lil’ breakdowns at 2:25 & 3:45, very nice on the ears.

great work! glad to have you back in the kitchen.

BenFebruary 5, 2024 12:22pm

Dec, really good to hear from you! REM has really been influencing me lately. I remember being in your room and listening to Radiohead’s Lotus Flower, and then you put on REM’s Lotus immediately after. It was an excellent curation on your end.

Crowded is good, slightly overwhelming is nice… but yeah, maybe build to it a little more. On a relisten, I was thinking the chorus hits you kinda hard the first time. Maybe I can drop the keys on the first chorus. Thanks for the advice! Looking forward to getting to your tune.

peterFebruary 5, 2024 10:23am

ben! so happy you submitted this! listened this morning and needed to revisit it. the production and some of the vocals are super reminiscent of peak modest mouse (lonesome crowded west/moon and antarctica).. but there are modern touches that make this transcend time in a really beautiful way. i personally think the denser moments help get at those claustrophobic/frustrated feelings when you are physically stuck.

BenFebruary 5, 2024 12:18pm

Ah Peter, so good to hear from you! Thanks! Man, I listened to Antarctica and Lonesome maybe 1000 times in high school, there’s no way there isn’t influence in everything I do. I can hear it… “I don’t want you to be alone down there…” I was actually thinking about Isaac Brock when doing the vocals, but more King Rat. When I sing “I rub my eyes and see those tiny little spots,” I was trying to do his weird big band jazz vocals—so you’re on the money.

agasthyaFebruary 5, 2024 11:04am

2:28-end is really really great. Although I like the arrangement as it is, I would LOVE to hear that with a full band, driving beat, Fleetwood Mac style production (same with the part from 1:37-2:09). I like the main melody (“you said something that made me”). would be fun to keep those parts acoustic (and maybe a bit drier in general?) and then contrast with a full production for those other parts.

all that said, I really do enjoy the production as is! very dreamy.

nickFebruary 5, 2024 12:10pm

totally agree with this. id love to hear a sort of upbeat driving drum track. something like ob-la-di-ob-la-da. could take the moodier chorus into an interesting place.

nickFebruary 5, 2024 12:09pm

yeah great writing, alec! love the idea of an initial idea (motels meteors etc.) that eventually is removed leaving a few orphans from that concept. the mix is nice. your vocal and guitar recording process is working. the guitars are soft and just the right amount of mid level thumpiness, and a nice amount of presence. dude some of those higher notes in the background vox make me want to hear a track where you push your limits of your upper chest voice. maybe in some sort of choir/acapella track. sick track.

nickFebruary 5, 2024 12:04pm

so much about this is great. the lyrics are poignant, and when paired with the uber-chill chord progression, it impends doom with a creepy layer of acceptance, or something adjacent to that? lightheadedness. seeing stars…

in regards to what you said about vox level, this is probably a little overcompensation. i think the vocals could come down a bit, and the guitar (or maybe eventual keys too?) and other harmonic information should come up to help support the vox. the melodies and lyrics are tight, so with some massaging and maybe a few additional elements, this could be quite strong. also, once the mix is a little closer, experiment with default mastering settings. i dont know how to master, but i know where to click the buttons that master the song for you, and im more than happy with that off-the-shelf option. excellent submish!

nickFebruary 5, 2024 11:48am

oh man those toms are so buttery and plump. where do they come from? i suddenly want to know everything about how this got created. the mix is stellar ;). drum fill is completely lit. there are few things as obvious in the world as the fact that is song is about a murder at a motel. thanks for submitting.

lazyrabbitFebruary 5, 2024 11:59am

Thanks my man — those toms are created from a few samples combined. Mainly I grabbed some samples I had from the kit at 707 and beefed them up with some drum machine toms from the “Samples from Mars” people. Ultimately the layering of different samples at different levels across the groove with some buss processing to gel them together gives them a little life and makes them feel less fake

agasthyaFebruary 4, 2024 10:17pm

woweeee this rocks. so many awesome moments – the drum fill, the bass, the little descending pitch thing near the end. this motel is a sweaty grungy night club in all the vacant rooms.

agasthyaFebruary 5, 2024 10:52am

just wanted to come back and say that the little drop at 1:37 is perfect.

lazyrabbitFebruary 5, 2024 11:55am

🙏🙏

nickFebruary 5, 2024 11:40am

yeah i can attest that you nailed parameter 3. and parameter 2, if anyone’s going to understand it, you’re the guy. as for parameter number 1, this could easily be the score for a motel meteor shower scene. undeniably. i think it absolutely comes through. the intro section feels wide and sprawling, setting the scene. and the second section is, well, let’s just say there were tears. it’s always a joy to here your compositions and playing. even if it is just one of the first few takes. dogs and all.

nickFebruary 5, 2024 11:30am

sick bass line. and i like the tone. i love experimenting with dirtying-up the programmed instruments. throw some overdrive on the cymbals and snare. sometimes their natural cleanness stands out too much. i think increasing the kick volume would go a long way in melding it to the bass line as well. nice & spooky, brother.

nickFebruary 5, 2024 11:24am

you’re a nut. seriously witchy vibes. “the sky will churn” is a great lyric, great way of putting it. garageband loops are endlessly fun to play with. glad to see you experimenting the software!

lazyrabbitFebruary 5, 2024 10:16am

Love this – getting real EARTHGANG vibes here although I know they’re ATL not CHI haha. Loving all the little plucky rhythmic noises – the percussion and those plucky guitars blend together amazingly.

agasthyaFebruary 5, 2024 10:47am

what’s funny is that the motel I was picturing when writing this was one by the ATL airport (0/5 would not recommend). EARTHGANG is one of the most consistently exciting groups, I wanna be them when I grow up

BenFebruary 5, 2024 10:30am

Dude I love this. short and sweet and creepy. Definitely approaches motels from the creepy side of things, not the romantic side. Unless you find creepiness romantic.

Great atmosphere, and great job with the shaping of all these sounds. There’s a lot of rhythm, syncopation, melody, ideas, and voices, but you really succeed in keeping everything in this nice, controlled little space. Doesn’t occupy too much bandwidth in my ears. All the layers sound nice and either compressed, EQ’d, dampened, softened… I dont know… Maybe you can speak to how to kept all the parts tamed so that it’s not overwhelming. I’d be curious. There’s grit and mud in this song, but it doesnt sound gritty or muddy, if that makes sense.

lazyrabbitFebruary 5, 2024 10:15am

Hell yeah this rips — love the evolution here, I really get the feeling of Halcyon 5 getting ripped into beautiful shreds of light being chased by VIZEN drones. Also I just love the idea of CUSTODES the motel custodian robot that’s really an amazing lil description addition.

BenJanuary 31, 2024 3:10pm

I just wanna say, thanks for reviving this project. I think I last submitted in 2014—and I’ve hardly written any songs since—so it’s good to be back.

RyanJanuary 31, 2024 10:25pm

heck yeah, welcome back!

BenFebruary 4, 2024 12:22am

the OG ICBC, yesss.

BenFebruary 4, 2024 12:32am

Woah your profile pic moves his eyes…

ZFebruary 4, 2024 10:25pm

Welcome back!

daeclanFebruary 4, 2024 9:03pm

THE CHEFS ARE BACK IN TOWN 😈

RyanFebruary 4, 2024 9:04pm

So psyched to listen this week 💫

BenFebruary 4, 2024 9:39pm

Love that we have a full week to listen

Il DuceFebruary 4, 2024 7:22pm

How do I listen to the submissions?

agasthyaFebruary 4, 2024 8:06pm

they’ll be released for everyone to listen at 9pm EST!

nickJanuary 24, 2024 9:30am

the battle of creepy vs. cute motels begins

Its PlayJanuary 25, 2024 5:25am

It’s beyond me how you push out a complete sounding track with percussion and everything so quickly man! Awesome! I aspire to be able to write guitar like you dawg hahah

nickJanuary 25, 2024 11:53am

oh keep it at, you’ll be there in no time.

ZJanuary 30, 2024 10:50pm

My first thought. Creepy all the way 😂

EliasSZFebruary 3, 2024 5:01pm

I went creepy immediately, couldn’t have imagined it another way.

BenFebruary 4, 2024 12:20am

Oh boy

BenFebruary 4, 2024 12:24am

creepy, sad, lonely, skeevy… i love motels

RyanJanuary 26, 2024 12:59pm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motels

nickJanuary 30, 2024 9:03am

ooo wonderful

BenFebruary 4, 2024 12:21am

“There’s just no way this will be a complete list of every motel ever.”

me, before clicking this

BenJanuary 21, 2024 10:40pm

Here we go! Glad to be back.

nickJanuary 24, 2024 9:28am

🤘

RmalNovember 12, 2023 6:30pm

What a cool vibe. I had a couple of false starts trying to manage the challenge. But this sounds so good in original and cool. I’m amazed by the folks that do this on the site. Well done Nick. Were there a couple of really interesting notes at the very end of the fade out?

nickNovember 28, 2023 10:33am

hey thanks rick. yeah a lot of amazing folks indeed. In regards to the interesting notes, I think it may just be that ghost-traily bendy note over the chords resulting in a sort of Gmin6. Give that thing a whirl.

RyanNovember 3, 2023 2:16pm

This is fun as hell haha. What a great premise for a tune. And the playing really sounds like the premise, which I think is an underrated challenge. Great drumming, great piano work. Is that you, you dirty dog?! Honestly, great guitars too. Lots of little bits joining the orbit and playing with each other in a way that really feels like a live band. @@nurphgunsounds great too! This rules.

I think my major mix call-out would be that the lead vocal sounds a little trebly. Would love for it to be a bit warmer—which I also think would benefit the raspy, vintage-y performance.

BenNovember 3, 2023 3:14pm

yep, thats me on the 🎹, somehow

BenNovember 3, 2023 3:14pm

thanks. and yeah. totally agree about the trebly voice. it could also come down a db or two

BenOctober 23, 2023 2:08pm

right on: “it makes you finish a song.”

The acoustics sound good. Slightly aluminumy i guess, but still warm. How’d you record it?

This song has a really soft warmth to it. Really crafty guitar playing. This sounds like it’s harder to play that it sounds, if that makes sense. Tasteful bass too.

Drums sound great too, nice and quiet and simple. Maybe it could be cool to introduce one more tiny subtle percussion layer starting the moment that dark chord comes in at 2:42, like either an extremely light shuffled tamb/shaker (which is like the hardest instrument in the world to play, especially lightly and shuffledly) OR take a washier approach to this layer and just have a gentle brush on a ride cymbal every 4 or 8 beats, not for a rhythmic element, but for the light extra layer of sound to elevate the feel when that note comes in at 2:42.

Great work, both of yous.

RyanNovember 3, 2023 2:11pm

Recorded it with a big class A condenser, same things I use for vocals. I actually think it’s that I should’ve used a warmer reverb, now that I listen back.

Mm, yeah I like the idea of a brush on a ride starting there! That’s a great call. I was actually chatting with @@Kyle about this track and he was pointing out that it could expand in general — particularly in the chorus and also at the 2:58 mark. Looking forward to trying out some ways to expand the structure.

nurphgunNovember 3, 2023 11:54am

Listening again. This is your best singing – technically and performance-wise. I love that you didn’t hold back at all. It’s such a good range for you. You sound like Paul.

BenNovember 1, 2023 11:41am

ok, so a couple weeks have passed. curious about how *you* interpret the lyrics

nickNovember 2, 2023 10:43am

the lyrics were pretty much a stream of consciousness about someone i’m a few degrees separated from. I’ll roughly say it’s about a rocky relationship, and a friend’s advice along the way.

BenNovember 1, 2023 11:40am

still pretty in awe of the acoustic guitar work.

stonewindowOctober 21, 2023 10:23am

Beautiful. Love the original take.

EliasSZOctober 26, 2023 11:40am

Cheers, thank you!

RyanOctober 25, 2023 5:10pm

Brit!

First off—this is a rad sheet of lyrics. Kind of works / reads as a poem as well, which I know you often derive lyrical inspiration from, so that makes sense. Well done there.

Yeah, echoing a few things that Ben mentioned, I’d be curious to hear you play this song against a simple quarter-note kick drum that’s keeping time. I bet you would have a bunch of realizations about how you want the rhythm and sections to feel. By no means do I think you should lose the off kilter nature of the main part, but I think being able to glue all of it together a little more would help a ton.

Woo that last verse is gorgeous! Great vocal delivery.

stonewindowOctober 26, 2023 7:50am

Thanks for this Ryan. I think I could use some click track practice. …… for sure. I was also thinking about slowing down the overall tempo, but when I play it I tend to speed up. Thanks for you kind words.

BenOctober 23, 2023 9:52am

i believe “finger picking clusterfuck” is actually the correct technical term.

This is great. I think one thing to make it sound a little more finished: focus a little more on the 1:56-2:18 section. Maybe keep it in rhythm? Maybe make it sound more intentional somehow? Add lyrics? Add other instruments? Shorten/cut it? I understand that it’s functioning as a bridge to get you to a certain chord, but maybe try and “intentionalize” it a little more.

Great stuff. Love “bass notes as the melody.” Good to have you here. Nice pottery too.

stonewindowOctober 23, 2023 6:24pm

Thanks for this Ben. Much appreciated. Your comments are very helpful.

stonewindowOctober 23, 2023 9:24pm

Hey Ben, you’re spot on. That’s a place I improvised and it is should be removed. 🛶🛶🛶

RyanOctober 25, 2023 5:11pm

Getting “intentional” with it is a great to put it, Ben. Agreed.

I think the second break works really well. Could certainly happen that way both times it happens and that would be a step towards more cohesion, I think.

BenOctober 25, 2023 3:16pm

fond memories of playing cher with you.

im really trying to think about the lyrics. They’re kind of less specific that your usual lyricism. Monosyllabic words, short words, words that can be interpreted a few dif ways. Makes the song sadder somehow, almost like it’s hard to sing it.

could interpret it as a break-uppy song

or a song about moving

or a song about changing something major in your life

nurphgunOctober 24, 2023 10:46am

I love this. I think it’s so gorgeous and sweet. In terms of the lyrics and story: I am getting from it a sweet dialogue/collection of unfinished thoughts from two people who like each other a lot and are a little uncertain about how to say it/what to do next. She’s trying to reassure him. I’m not sure it’s “storytelling” in the like, Decemberists song sense where there are very defined characters and a distinct setting of the stage, conflict, then resolution, etc. But knowing the backstory – yes, I think the idea of “please don’t do anything dramatic for me” comes through. My fav line is “Don’t go crying/Don’t go killing time/And acting like you’re dying.”

nurphgunOctober 24, 2023 10:31am

Sadly I wasn’t able to complete this assignment but in the 15 mins I spent considering it, I was going to use the melody from Hanging by a Moment. That song rules. A lesser musician would have run screaming from this vibe but I agree, big win here. The lyrics: I interpret them as a gentle encouragement to accept and not run from difficult truths.

stonewindowOctober 23, 2023 9:39pm

This is beautiful . I like the change in second half. Would love to hear your vocals for the entire piece. Lovely.

stonewindowOctober 23, 2023 9:35pm

Wow. What a great song. It has some lovely surprises and a hook that keeps on giving.

stonewindowOctober 20, 2023 10:35am

I’m amazed by the level and diversity of talent here. Nuff said.

BenOctober 23, 2023 9:44am

yeah that week was such a good showcase.

BenOctober 23, 2023 9:44am

This is the most hardcore song ever submitted to NCBC. How do you get voice to sound like that? How does your throat feel after singing this? This song really captures the energy of having a perpetual runny left nostril, yogurt all over your face, and walking around a carpeted room clutching a sweaty handful of cheese-its. Can relate.

nickOctober 17, 2023 8:40am

this is not easy

nickOctober 17, 2023 11:51am

but my beast is emerging

BenOctober 22, 2023 1:01pm

it’s definitely a beast…

BenOctober 22, 2023 1:01pm

this was an absolute blast

stonewindowOctober 20, 2023 10:25am

Intensity and space. Struggle is well articulated with vulnerability. I dig the end. More space. Nice

stonewindowOctober 20, 2023 10:20am

definitely has a celtic vibe. I want to be in the local bar listening to you

RyanOctober 10, 2023 11:02am

Welcome to NCBC, Bog-man! This is an incredible first submission. Was drawn in immediately. Heck of a voice!

Loved the juxtaposition of the main guitar part with the chromaticisms thrown in. Does an excellent job representing the warmth of friendship but with the chaos of getting older looming / interrupting that warmth. This reminded me a little of Hadestown—a big rock voice over excellent guitar playing, backdrop of delta blues but tweaked toward indie, sense of ominousness, etc. Really rad stuff.

In terms of cutting/changing, I suppose the only thing I’d be curious for you to do is bang around the lyric sheet a little. Is there more color that could be brought in with expanding the story or some of the metaphorical language? More examples of the friendships struggling? Love “we keep on leaning and the chair is out from under you”.

bog berriesOctober 17, 2023 12:11pm

I went very literal and I agree it isn’t that interesting. I tried to to tell a story and have it easy to follow along but I agree my favorite part is when it leaves the story and the “characters” hahah

bog berriesOctober 17, 2023 12:10pm

Thank you all for the comments! Very cool project to be a part of! I am slower than the rest of you but I’m gonna get around and listen to all of them soon! <3

RyanOctober 9, 2023 5:14pm

Made a playlist of all the pop singles from this list because why not! Anybody wanna do the same for R&B and Country? Listening is funnnnnnn.

RyanOctober 9, 2023 10:12pm

Okay actually I made the R&B one too

RyanOctober 10, 2023 4:17pm

Okay fine here’s the country one as well.

nickOctober 11, 2023 10:33am

hey ryan, hope you’re well. i had the same thought, so thank you for being more than thoughtful.

BenOctober 11, 2023 9:48pm

what service!

nickOctober 11, 2023 3:43pm

ooof the whole 4:04 section just rips.

nickOctober 11, 2023 3:42pm

Great listen. Sounds incredible. Though you may not have spent a lot of time mixing, you must have it down pretty well because this sounds polished af. Are any of these software instruments? Super patient too. Can’t be rushed here, which feels very aligned with a slow morning walk upstate. Yeah it’s funny, I don’t feel qualified or capable or melody or structural comments, or maybe I just don’t think this needs any *elated shrug* Really awesome addition to your NCBC portfolio.

zoyaOctober 10, 2023 12:58pm

marry me

zoyaOctober 10, 2023 1:00pm

also yeah it does really need fiddle. i can almost hear it in parts of the tune like some sort of phantom limb situation

nickOctober 11, 2023 3:39pm

👀

nickOctober 11, 2023 3:38pm

love hearing a new side from you, billy. just funny that perhaps the most common writing style is one you have avoided either naturally or on purpose—probably the former. Many sweet moments—favporite being :46-:47, with the melody and the high octave vocal… chef’s kiss. I think the outro Doo-doo is justified by the ooos that follow. All the little background guitar twinklings are wonderful, but hey that’s quite in your wheelhouse ain’t it. Would not mind a few more of these popping up now and again. Short simple sweet. no problem with that.

RyanOctober 10, 2023 3:44pm

Well I’ll tell ya what—this ain’t no Guy With Guitar Singer Songwriter Music. Not to me anyway lol. Too unique, too off-kilter. Too Wilco. Jeff would be proud.

0:29 is a lovvvely moment. Love when the arrangement offers up a little microcosm. Whole world in just a few seconds. Lotta melancholy in that little guitar lick. Love it.

0:42, too. Great bass slide. Changes the whole scene. Lots of little things to love in here. This is great.

1:10 also obviously adorable. Not, like, adorable. But adore-able. Love how natural it feels even though it’s an interruption of sorts.

No idea what this track means, but really like it. One of my favorite Bilverman soups yet.

BenOctober 10, 2023 3:46pm

ah, forgot to add lyrics… will do that.

BenOctober 10, 2023 3:48pm

(it’s about covid and samuel, two new and first-time things in my life, and in each others’ lives)

BenOctober 10, 2023 3:53pm

also wow yeah, re: your 1:10 comment, i’m hearing that vocal line differently than I used to. havent listened since sunday, and you’re right – it’s an interruption of sorts. Originally I was doubling the extension that 13th chord (the chord goes from A7 to A13 around 1:07-1:11), but it became more of its own melody than a layer of the chord. needs to be dropped some dB i think

nickOctober 11, 2023 3:34pm

yeah i think a simple dB drop would be just right

RyanOctober 10, 2023 11:36am

Um, my dude. This is unbelievable. What a beautiful song. I think it would work in any genre. In fact, I definitely plan to cover it. Lyric sheet is crushing—well done. Melodies, arrangement, all great. Vocal takes are killer. So glad this version of you is committed to record. Crashes are not too harsh. Man, is this chorus beautiful.

Only things I’d consider is cutting something from the structure so that it doesn’t clock in at 4:37. I wonder if you could cut the “for the holiday” section (pre-chorus?) the first time around and go right into verse 2. Could be hot, could be hot. Other thing is I wish the kick were more present in the verse? Is there a kick? How were these drums recorded?

Delivery on “obligatory meeting” is the shit. All the background howling is the shit.

Way to crush the aspect of the assignment where you utilize the genre to address something specific. I can’t stop listening to this.

BenOctober 10, 2023 3:45pm

Yeah, i concur. I remember looking at the playback at like 2 minutes and being like “wow we’re not even halfway there. how’s he gonna pull this off?” I think you of course pulled it off great, but i agree with ryan – there’s gotta be a way to shave 20 seconds off so you’re in Round Down to 4 Min territory, not Round Up To 5 land. I think the 4:37 is more intimidating to see on a tracklist than it is to listen to though. Been listening multiple times daily.

RyanOctober 10, 2023 4:03pm

Ok actually one more thing, I want think I want thicker guitar tone in the chorus? Maybe that would sacrifice some of the scrappiness that makes this work, though…. Okay, how about just a few additional layers instead of changing the tone? That could be what I want. Obviously, the real takeaway here is that I care.

nickOctober 11, 2023 3:12pm

hey thanks boys! totally tried keeping it down in time, but ya know, failed there. Went ahead and made a few edits… give it a peep

nickOctober 11, 2023 3:14pm

drums are a combo of programmed and live kit recorded with a one compressor mic

BenOctober 8, 2023 9:13pm

It’s all fun and games and pop and punk and emo until you drop those 2 chords at 1:10 and 1:12, immediately followed by that floor tom beat, and from then on, I couldn’t help also hearing it sort of an an Emo Elephantom song for the next several bars.

My god this is so rocking. And… so surprisingly… long.

Seriously well done. A lesser songwriter and musician would not be able to do this unironically. This is such a good song, and really hits me hard.

nickOctober 11, 2023 3:14pm

💚

RmalOctober 8, 2023 9:28pm

Yikes – I think I’m an emo punk fan. I want more. This is Fantastic

nickOctober 11, 2023 3:13pm

🤘

BenOctober 9, 2023 11:16am

Been listening all morning, and decided to write an additional comment. sam started undeniably singing along in the backseat this morning, and it was really something.

This is so good, and manages to be heartbreaking *and* rocking, while being in a genre that has [rightly, for sure] been satirized, criticized, and mocked for 20 years. The urge to pinch your nose and lean into that nasally “she’s cool! I suck! her friends hate me!” tropes must have existed to some extent, but there’s no hackiness here. Yeah, as @@nurphgun said, it’s more altrocky than Blink 182, which maybe helped you keep it nonironic. It certainly helped me, the listener, to not solely focus on the emo lyrics and performance. I could very easily hear it as a song, not Weird Al. That’s part of the genius of this assignment: UNIRONIC. I feel like the meaning of the song takes full advantage of everything that the genre offers sonicly, structurally, and subject-ly.

Still love that it so strongly has your DNA in it though, even if it’s a genre youve never done before.

The lyrics are heavy, man.

nickOctober 11, 2023 3:13pm

thanks buddy. was initially trying to make it sound not like me, but gave that up pretty quick. emo was helpful for blunt heavy lyrics.

zoyaOctober 10, 2023 12:55pm

this is the first emo punk song I’ve ever liked

nickOctober 11, 2023 3:12pm

*black heart emoji*

nickOctober 11, 2023 2:19pm

oh man i want to hear you put this whole thing together… when you’re feeling better, eh? Funny to write for the first time in a genre you’ve performed in so much—definitely contributes to the easiness @ryan mentioned. And yeah, don’t think I have any specific advice except that I wouldn’t describe it as random just yet. Perhaps entangled, but not in a bad way. Plz stick with it 🙂

RmalOctober 10, 2023 6:07pm

I love the raw grit of the guitar with the clean bell of your voice. Never felt wanting for a full band. I felt the rhythm and was drawn into the story. I’ve come back to it a few times. Well done.

RyanOctober 10, 2023 4:00pm

Great to hear that Nora voice again! Unmistakable. A frickin’ madrigral! Who knew, not me.

The easiness that you mention feeling comes across in the sound of this. In a piece of music that could easily sound stuffy, this doesn’t. Sounds care-free, relaxed.

I feel pretty ill-equipped to answer either of your feedback questions, to be honest. But re: cohesion, would the piece work just as well if the section starting with “and her lad was chipper” were cut?

RyanOctober 10, 2023 1:00pm

Rick this is an absolute joy hahaha. Everything about this rocks. Makes me wanna say “let’s ride” in the deepest register I can muster and throw some aviators on… before climbing onto my tricycle.

BenOctober 6, 2023 1:40pm

This song is so swooping. More like “one of us already is flying” am i right? Love that it starts swooping right off the bat. 90M years before bats came out.

This is poppy and radio friendly. The strings are very… I don’t even know. Like, mid-00s pop? The staccato jabs + the string pad + your (slightly filtered?) voice is really effective.

I had this thought at the beginning: This intro is extremely lush instrumentation coupled with fairly unlush vocals (your vocals get way lusher in other verses and choruses). Curious what the intro would would sound like, and what it would communicate if it were: A.) inverted: stripped back instrumentation + fully lush vox; B.) fully ready to go and coming in hot: Lush instr + lush vox; or C.) stripped back and intro-y: stripped back instruments + the filtered vox you already have there.

My gut tells me you have it right but for some reason i’m dying to hear what the other permutations would sound like.

Other thoughts:

The bass and kick sound so good and full together.

The spacing is so good. really feels like its tracked with a full band and orch section in a giant studio. it’s definitely because of your performances but, it’s also whatever you did auraly to make it take up space. there’s some good air in this track.

1:34 “how…” Tom Petty

Could the gtr solo be beefed up like 14.05%?

The final verse hits.

The other thing I’m curious about and would love to hear versions of: Could the hits on the “oh it’s”‘s be slightly different each time it happens? I dunno I’m spitballing here, but it was such a nice surprise when it happened the first time at around 1:00 that I almost wish the surprise could be saved for the second time? like maybe lighter hats/cymbals the first time? and like slightly play through the section a little less “hitty” that first time so that the second time around 2;12 hits? Maybe like one less instrument playing the hits that first time? Not sure. Either way, they’re great hits.

Is there a volume hike at 2:56-57? Not important. disregard.

Lastly and most importantly, I love this type of concept. Like… fish didn’t just gradually morph limbs that became legs; monkeys didnt just gradually stand up straighter over millions of years. Mutations and adaptations happen so randomly and succeed so so so infrequently, and yet, here were are, with legs and good upright posture (well…) and big brains (eh…), and birds and bugs that fly and like flowers. Everything that happens happens because in general, things work better that way. And if they don’t work better, then evolution and co-evolutions continue.

“I began wondering whether the presence of flowers demanded more pollinators and therefore evolution produced birds. Turns out that’s not how it happened, but I still liked the story.” In a way, that is what happened. Sure there were other reasons why some animals that had wings had a specific advantage over others and could better survive and reproduce, but also… flying creatures and flowers both exist today, eons later, and their relationship with each other is still close. When you zoom out and look at mother earth like the big complex united system that it is, it’s not hard to anthropomorphize it and think of it as demanding and producing pollinators to fill a niche (of course passively, over millions of years, through a series of random mutations). Because flowers happened. And birds happened. If by chance pollinators didn’t happen, or for some reason they died off, flowers would’ve either given up and died, or figured things out by continuing to evolve. Dandelions figured something similar out: flying to distribute seeds, no birds needed.

RyanOctober 9, 2023 12:31pm

Love a Bilverman stream of consciousness response.

Yes, great idea on the hits being slightly different each time! I was so psyched on the hits that I forgot to introduce variation. I think your exact proposal would work super well.

Dandelions are the raddest of them all. But what I’m referring to in ‘not how it happened’ is that in the limited research I was able to do for this assignment, it seems that flowers had this figured out both with themselves and bugs long before birds came around. So I was just trying to account for the large gap between flowers and birds that my song conveniently ignores haha. But yes, good gawd is evolution beautiful and magical.

RyanOctober 9, 2023 12:34pm

Oh question on the guitar solo beef: tonal beef, compositional beef, or volume beef?

BenOctober 9, 2023 12:46pm

i think maybe a hair of volume, but mostly just a small bump in tonal meat. maybe like 8% less flower fiber, and like 6% more stegosaurus meat. I think the notes are A+. The tone itself is actually good – it just maybe needs slightly more of whatever it is? maybe just more mids? I don’t actually know.

It’s interesting – i’ve never thought about this before but: The solo’s at that tricky length and has that composition where it’s alllmost short enough and the melody is almost reminiscent enough of the vocal melody to be an interlude, not a full solo. But I think we might be in solo territory here.

Do you have plans for this song outside of ncbc?

RyanOctober 10, 2023 10:47am

Yeah, you’re right. I ended up on a tele for the solo but maybe it should’ve been a humbucker. Keep the clarity, but add some body.

Mm, interesting observation re: the length. I wonder if it could get away with being half the length and stay comfortably in interlude territory. Or, if it were even a little longer (maybe with the strings joining half way through), then it could help drive toward that second pre-chorus and maybe justify the ‘hits’ showing up again.

Yeah I think this one will likely make it into the next collection of tunes I plan to release properly. A big batch of folk-rock-ish songs seems to be emerging.

BenOctober 10, 2023 12:36pm

ah yeah, tele. that checks out.

I think those are the two best options. either a short melody-driven interlude, or a longer solo that functions as a bridge.

I’ve never really put these interlude vs solo thoughts into words before, but it’s definitely a thing.

Now I wanna make a list of some iconic/favorite parts that i’d define as “interludes” and see what they have in common

RmalOctober 10, 2023 12:02pm

I wanna hear more in this vocal range. You’re a closet country cowboy. Come on out, this is a safe space. Flush this kitty out and get her on Spotify.

BenOctober 7, 2023 7:24pm

This is so clean. The drums with that light melody in the background in my left ear really reminds me of the Bad Plus cover of “Flim” by Aphex Twin, especially around 0:30-40.

RyanOctober 9, 2023 12:36pm

Oh shit, had never heard this track. This is awesome. Yeah this one was definitely heavily inspired by Four tet / Aphex / Bibio.

BenOctober 9, 2023 12:47pm

yeah, definitely Bibio vibes too

RmalOctober 8, 2023 7:56pm

Ryan – get this on Spotify – I want to be able to listen to it all the time. Spectacular

RyanOctober 9, 2023 11:50am

Thanks, Rick! Definitely plan to record this one with some real live humans and then release it.

nurphgunOctober 9, 2023 10:05am

I love it; beautiful, frustrated, sad, relatable. The Third Eye Blind vibes are palpable – I think the fact that you leaned into the alt-rock end of the spectrum as opposed to pure emo/pop-punk helped make it unmistakably not-ironic/not-a-joke.

nickOctober 9, 2023 7:55am

hahahahahahaha. rick. you’ve gotta post these lyrics. metal is an incredible fit for both you and two year olds. welcome to the club. voice sounds great. i love a lot of the guitar moves—the chunking rhythm, and line with the creepy final note. drum track is really well arranged! i might just switch out some of the swingier funkier moments for straighter heavier moves. “Rock on, papa” -Luca

nickOctober 9, 2023 7:47am

coooop. im blown away. i didn’t know what to expect (and maybe i still don’t considering this was a new genre for you) but just really happy you hopped in for this assignment. right off the bat, great tone with the guitars and @@Kyle and @@ryan can attest that i do not care about tone. The guitar line is really strong, and that chromatic move at the end works so well. Some times little chromatic walk downs can feel tired and overused, but this one feels super fresh and gritty. Funny we both ended up in the emo world, and talking about a relative lack of response as adults. bog berries. so glad to have you!

BenOctober 8, 2023 9:07pm

A Nora caroNA

I knew I wouldn’t be able to eavesdrop since it was midi, so i was excited for the surprise, but somehow i missed the actual vocal tracking too.

alechutsonApril 10, 2023 6:52pm

i really like the textured strumming of the first couple loops! vibe feels like… wandering in the suburbs at dusk. don’t ask me why 😅

EliasSZOctober 8, 2023 2:43pm

love it, honestly makes sense to me

RyanApril 10, 2023 11:42am

Really interesting balance of warmth and unsettledness here. Keeps me on edge in a way that I find pretty engaging. And I’m always a huge fan of the randomness (almost humanness?) of glitchy loops. Only thing is that I wish the piece opened up at some point—a little resolve for all the tension.

EliasSZOctober 8, 2023 2:42pm

sometimes i hate resolutions, what can I say ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I def can say I love randomness lol

BenOctober 7, 2023 7:22pm

I feel like this is your strongest submission. Feels super complete. It’s got the right vibes and production to transcend a songwriting assignment. Love this.

EliasSZOctober 8, 2023 2:42pm

🙏

Much appreciated, Ben.

EliasSZOctober 8, 2023 2:37pm

I wish I had classes that did things like this in school. Damn.

EliasSZOctober 8, 2023 2:36pm

I don’t think this is boring at all. Feels like you could push the arrangement a bit farther if you wanted to, but your production is killer as is in my book.

I love the hit at :30 “It’s so hard to be a kid…” and the fall off that tone, just to hit it again at :40.

agasthyaSeptember 24, 2023 10:32pm

there’s something super charming about this production – I don’t know if it needs much fleshing out. I really liked “burn me up in Mercedes Benz”.

alechutsonSeptember 25, 2023 12:20pm

Agreed – very charming and authentic the way it is. I guess I could see it expanding into a full band version once the percussion comes in, but I love how sparse and open the arrangement is while still maintaining a driving force.

EliasSZOctober 8, 2023 2:31pm

I think if I were to flesh it out, I’d just try to record these parts better, split out the guitar from the bass as @@ryan suggested, and maybe add a shaker and a few other percussive elements. Don’t think it needs a maximalist arrangement by any means, but also was surprised (but happy) to see so many folks seemed to think the demo-ness fits the song –  glad the authenticity comes through!

BenSeptember 26, 2023 10:29am

Man I’m such a sucker for that chord movement from like 0:30 to 0:39. It’s just so David Bowie and it makes me emotional. then it sort of lands at that maj7 chord at 0:40, which was a nice surprise, and then it just keeps going on a ride, which culminates with those harmonies starting at 1:00. The major ones at 1:00, then the minor at 1:06 is reminiscent of Yes harmonies. Cool song. It keeps moving from theme to theme, in a linear way, but still feels like a classic song structure. Love the kick drum pulse too.

Good songing with this one. i think it’s your best one yet.

RyanSeptember 26, 2023 1:36pm

Yeahhhh—that ascending chromatic trick resolving to the maj7 is sooo nice here, Elias.

BenSeptember 26, 2023 3:31pm

and i think the thing i like about the maj7 chord is that it comes in on the 2 of that bar, or at least that maj7 note happens on the 2

EliasSZOctober 8, 2023 2:30pm

Super appreciate the harmonic analysis!! I was pretty proud of it and it kinda came out of nowhere. I’d written the chorus and had started on with the verse and wasn’t sure I was happy with using the chromatic movement as it felt a little to ‘classic’ or something – but when I found the vocal movement that lined up with that maj7 chord it just sorta settled into place for me. Glad that others appreciated it tooooo

nickSeptember 26, 2023 11:17am

oh heck yeah, i love all the demo-y moments: unsynced background vocals/doubles, rhythmic breaks— stumbles or otherwise doesn’t matter. And the tone is super lush and easy on the ears. Excellent job starting the chorus and a really really strong one at that. Unique moves with the melody and chords, but super familiar.. great balance.

EliasSZOctober 8, 2023 2:28pm

Hahaha, some of that is because I was recording this last minute – but I also think there’s something intimate or compelling about hearing inconsistencies or hearing sorta two universes of a way a line could be phrased at the same time.

RyanSeptember 26, 2023 1:39pm

This is a fuzzy friend of a track. Super strong songwriting. Agreed with @@Ben that this is one of your best yet.

In response to your question—I love the demo-y quality of this, as @@nick mentioned, but I think fleshing it out could be a blast. I bet you’d get a lot of mileage out of separating the bass and guitar parts. A tight, slightly overdriven bass played with a pick for those single-note lines and then the guitar doing the polyphonic stuff would probably open up the arrangement and tell you what to do with the rest of it. At least, that’s how I would start to approach it. I think you’ve got all the essential components written, though, that’s for sure. Great worrrrrk.

EliasSZOctober 8, 2023 2:27pm

Yeah, definitely agree – I def want it on bass, and like the idea of an overdriven picked part for it. Also would open up the guitars ability to do other things and flesh out the arrangement a little more.

EliasSZOctober 8, 2023 2:23pm

Did NOT expect those verse vocals. Love the production on those, giving me Bone Machine or Mule Variation Tom Waits, but with a bit more of a dinosaur attitude. Overall, love the use of vocal harmony and different vocal production styles throughout the tune – especially as they support some really excellent lyrics.

Not a lot to add that others haven’t already said. Love the last chorus into the guitar solo at the outro. A very satisfying ending in a less gritty/dark/aggressive zone. That alternation between definite aggression and more vibe-y grit is maybe my favorite thing.

alechutsonSeptember 25, 2023 12:00pm

This is a very sweet and thoughtful song. I like that you spent time researching and formulating a hypothesis. Even if it’s not scientifically accurate, lyrically I think this allows for a much more cohesive approach to storytelling which I think you achieved wonderfully.

As for harmonies…you know me – I’m all about thick vocal arrangements. Probably not for the whole song, but maybe some bigger choral arrangements for the later choruses might help it open up more?

RyanOctober 4, 2023 2:30pm

Thanks, Alec! Glad the story worked for you. Yeah it’s true, I should let it get a little thicker. I think that’ll be possibly when I inevitably tap a bunch of background singers for the proper recording of this track.

EliasSZOctober 8, 2023 2:10pm

I also wanted something bigger from the vocal arrangements. The cinematic nature of the strings had me craving some giant vocal sections – maybe right after the guitar solo (which was sweet, by the way). Or maybe just on the “Look how long How Blue How Me How You” the choral arrangements could swell, grow, build, leading in to some huge vocal chords on the penultimate line, before it cuts back to just you on the last “One of us was always gonna lose.”

EliasSZOctober 8, 2023 2:05pm

This conjures a whole fucking world. So much about the vocal arrangement of this tune just blew me away. The high falsetto vocals add such a beautiful texture, either when they take the lead or when they’re serving as a counter melody for the main story line.

The way your verse starts is fascinating – immediately unsettled, unresolved. And the harmonic progression of the verse in general is so great. Always hinting at resolution but never quite getting there. Also the fading, reverbed quality of the end felt like such a natural way to end a song that didn’t ever really want to settle.

nickSeptember 26, 2023 10:31am

Another astounding vocal arrangement. love this one. but hell yeah, what you’re calling the original chorus is totally sick. and eff it, im happy to call that the chorus. but yeah, i say scratch that schmucky intro and this thing’s platinum. seriously tho, that chorus would make a killer beginning. great job, dude.

alechutsonSeptember 26, 2023 10:47am

Thank you! Had to include the schmucky intro, that’s the secret to my primitive percussion 😉

nickSeptember 26, 2023 11:19am

rock and a hard place 🙃

RyanSeptember 26, 2023 1:54pm

Assignment be damned, that intro is rad. Totally shocked me when the next section came in, so if that was part of your vision for this track, you nailed that.

EliasSZOctober 8, 2023 1:59pm

I like the intro too, but kinda want it out of the way. Smacking straight into that chorus would land really well with me – not cause of the assignment, I just think that’s what I wish the song did. Either way though, it’s a cool section.

BenSeptember 25, 2023 10:46am

this is great. percussion sounds really good, especially when it’s naked at the beginning.

love the aggression of the intro chorus. feedback, then a roar, then a proggy line that ends as suddenly as it started. It’s one of those complex melodies where I’m like, “Ok i need to learn this. it’s so composed and specific. i need to figure this one out and get this under my belt so i can sing along and get the parts right.” Love when i feel this immediately. Maybe the only thing about the chorus i’d add is a slightly more present/trebbly line that stands above the fuzz and adds a little definition? Maybe this is a chorus 2 or 3 thing?

Love the verses. and love the half time at 2:20. that always feels good. maybe some slight tweaking needed of the first bar of the shaker that comes in right after it, or maybe i’m hearing it wrong?

Great Hail To The Thief energy in this song. Love it. Listened to it late last night on my phone in the backyard and it knocked my socks off. Now i’m listening on good speakers. not wearing socks though sadly.

any plans for this song?

alechutsonSeptember 25, 2023 1:09pm

RIP your socks 💀

Great suggestion re: arrangement, I think you’re spot on there. In general I think I was little sloppy with the drum loops, but I think it works as a demo.

This song is def going into my live repertoire – sadly it’s a little late to include it in my upcoming album release so maybe it’ll be a single somewhere down the line. Glad you like 🙂

nickSeptember 26, 2023 10:33am

can totally relate to Ben’s compulsion to learn the melody. feels very natural.

BenSeptember 26, 2023 10:41am

another thought: I think the verse drums are some of your best programmed drums. great ghost notes on the snare. And the swing and feel matches everything correctly i think.

alechutsonSeptember 26, 2023 10:46am

The verse drums (and chorus) are actually live drums loops – a while ago I bought a pack of live drum groove recordings at different tempos and have been using them for my demos ever since. Less exciting than programming then properly, but a hell of a time saver. Feels more like painting by mood

BenSeptember 26, 2023 10:48am

ah, you pair your playing well with it. I’d say my biggest challenge in all of recording is matching the feel/swing of drums with the feel/swing of gtr, and often, the best way to get matching feels is to start with one of them (almost always the drums) and just craft your other feels around that feel.

EliasSZOctober 8, 2023 1:58pm

Late to the game, but think Hail to the Thief energy is spot on the money.

Also agree about the melody aspect – something compelling, familiar, but still unfamiliar about it. Like, I can almost expect how the vocals (and I guess the arrangement too) moves, but yet it still constantly surprises me. It’s a killer tune.

BenOctober 7, 2023 7:18pm

so did i just not comment on any of the submissions for this assignment or something? wtf. This is so cool. love when the kick drum enters. It feels radioheady at first, then it becomes Alecy when the Alec comes in. checking in here – what’s the status on the spanking?

alechutsonOctober 7, 2023 7:44pm

Thanks dude! Alas, I am still woefully under spanked 😥

BenOctober 7, 2023 7:25pm

wow i forgot to comment on any of these submissions. maybe because it was spring time and i was excited to go run around outside. these are great.

BenOctober 7, 2023 7:20pm

it seems that i forgot to comment on any of this assignment’s submissions. but somehow, a few days ago, this song entered my brain on its own, and ive been humming it around the house and marvelling at how seemingly unrelated the synth line is with the vocals but somehow it works so well. Like when the synth comes in at the beginning, i had no idea that this type of cascading vocals would come in like that with that melody and rhythm. but it does and its fuckin cool.

BenOctober 7, 2023 7:16pm

wow, im late to the party here. this is all awesome, and i think – youre right – the bassline could potentially be improved. Maybe a little bassier tonally/less plucky, and then be a little less syncopated at a couple sections? That was such a trippy VM hill mushroom trip. Thanks for that.

BenOctober 7, 2023 7:13pm

solid funky intro. fun monkeying around with you here.

BenOctober 7, 2023 7:09pm

Listening 3 years later and this is pretty and relaxing. Love the multiple guitars.

BenOctober 7, 2023 7:07pm

I missed this one. This is awesome. Very madmenny. Also it’s as close to a cover as possible without having any of the same melodies and chords. almost a stylistic parody. But also holds its own and is badass.

BenOctober 7, 2023 7:03pm

Well that was fun. A first in the NCBC catalogue.

@@nick i’m with you on the V.G. xmas sound. That’s funny.

Well done, Caleb’s students!

RyanOctober 1, 2023 12:03am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNxfPAF1frM — maybe the most confident performance of all time?

nickOctober 6, 2023 11:07am

@@Tengo would have to be the judge of that

nickOctober 6, 2023 10:29am

@@Ben @@alechutson @@agasthya take a peek at this

nickOctober 6, 2023 10:29am

Wowie wow wow finally getting to this. Truly brings a little dino tear to my eye. Who knew highschoolers would wanna push the naughtiness envelope?? love it.

The bongo, piano choral spoken word sections are absolutely fabulous. There’s something especially charming about the iphone/macbook compressed microphone capturing the piano and choir together—some Vincent Guaraldi “My Little Drum” vibes.

So glad to have you and the crew involved!

Nate.PissOctober 5, 2023 1:00pm

Yeah!

RyanOctober 4, 2023 2:25pm

Yes! This is what it’s all about! Neon Chef for students! Wooooooot!

Can you please post the lyric sheet? I have a sneaking suspicion I’m missing out on a lot of wordplay. “My arms can’t reach that far apart and yet you crush my jurassic heart” is outstanding. Love the section that follows this lyric, too. Feels like Sufjan Stevens jumped in as co-producer real quick.

The experimental bridge is incredible hahaha. The fun comes across in a BIG way.

CalebOctober 5, 2023 12:52pm

I just added the lyrics to the post. Thanks so much Ryan!!! I just shared these comments with them, they loved it. Sufjan my mannnnnnnnn.

nickSeptember 26, 2023 10:52am

couldn’t help yourself :00-:02 😂

no i think this is wonderful, and like alec said, incredibly sweet. That first “oh it’s some kind of pain” is truly excellent, lyrically and musically—really strong harmonies there. In the first verse, I’d find a way to ditch all the non-crucial words… like “Well first”, “The colors” “I couldn’t.” It would make the whole thing sing more speak, which I think would be nice.

Only other thought would be experimenting with a distinct chord change under the repeating outro, at least at 3:01 under that beautiful little high note. for instance some version of a D#7 could be really special. nice job on this one.

RyanOctober 4, 2023 2:29pm

hahaha yeah dude, I love holding hands.

I hear you on removing little words to make it “singier”, and I tried that (because Zoya always wants to erase syllables, too) but I didn’t like what it did for the lyrics. Made them feel heavy-handed. But that smells like something I possibly just need to get over?

Yes to the distinct chord change! Right now I use the relative minor in place of the usual chord in that extension, but it could get even funkier. I’ll take a gander at that 7.

BenSeptember 25, 2023 11:13am

Figured I’d dig in here a little.

Man, this morning I was listening to a clip of Cory Wong interviewing John Scofield and he was talking about musical voices, and how you can identify someone by 1 or 2 notes, often within 3 seconds or less.

Your song came on autoplay last night on my phone (yes, yes, I’ve since listened again on speakers) and I knew it was you almost instantly. I replayed the very beginning several times to explore why I knew it was you, and I’m pretty sure I concluded that the tells are all there in those Magic First 3 Seconds. Here are some of the factors that I think my brain automatically considered just in the first 3 seconds:

1. it’s clean and natural sounding and starts without much fanfare or intro

2. the guitar is strummed and slightly muted in a way that i’ve heard you do hundreds of times

3. the little bass slide at 0:02 is something I’ve been hearing you do for many many years, with that specific feel. It’s a common “move” of course, but I think you put your specific little swing on it, and fret it in a specific way that I recognize. subtle, but recognizable.

4. the “lazy” (not a diss), “nasally” (also, not a diss) voice that I feel like you really started leaning into in your last album, as well as on some BCBCs the past couple years. This tone, coupled with the way you pronounce the “r” in “creep” at 0:02, is a tell that this is your song. the tone and voicing of the lyrics, coupled with it starting simply but confidently, and without a instrumental intro is party of what gave it away that this autoplaying song was by you.

The other 3 minutes and 2 seconds of the song are great too – there’s a lot going on in the story and structure, and it’s exciting and moving, but I’ll let some others review it. Just thought it was interesting, maybe just because I’ve known you musically for so long, that I could identify you in seconds, so I wanted to examine that a bit.

It’s a cool thing when influences definitely do come thru strongly – sure, in the first 3 seconds or less, I do hear shades of Thom Yorke vocals and McCartney bass, as well as some sensibilities from a song from your “TWEMIS” album that i cant remember the name of right now (can your younger self be an influence? why not.) – but the influences combine in a way that is undeniably unique to you. The influences are crucial to the sound, but take a backseat to the actual artist’s voice. Good stuff.

alechutsonSeptember 25, 2023 11:52am

Agreed – Thom Yorke vocals and McCartney bass are indeed strong in this one, but in a way that help paint a story of apocalypse and perseverance. Love the vibe – the whole song feels like it’s chugging along in spite of the odds. I really dig the line “we found a curve.”

RyanSeptember 25, 2023 2:30pm

I hear some Sharon Van Etten in here too. Especially in the verse. “My boy and I”.

RyanSeptember 25, 2023 2:37pm

Re: nasally vocals—definitely one of your things, Nick. But also dig that there’s a good balance on this track. Lots of fuller, rounder, softer, deliveries too. Really enjoyed the variety.

nickSeptember 29, 2023 10:04am

wowie thank u for this silverdog. would have to imagine it’s this one, considering nicole noticed the same thing. 2-26-11

BenSeptember 29, 2023 12:09pm

that is the one!

stonewindowSeptember 25, 2023 6:38pm

My first impression was a similar vibe to Pink Floyd, would fit nicely on Wish You Were Here. Beautiful song Nick.

nickSeptember 29, 2023 10:07am

thanks, stone!

RyanSeptember 25, 2023 2:36pm

Sheesh, I adore this. I’m on spin 4 or 5 already. Love when the e bass plays as big of a role as the percussion does in a rhythm section—especially when it’s minimal. And boy is that nailed here. I agree with others that “we found a curve” is the moment here. But there are so many details to enjoy. Piano after “stars left to right”? Yum. Shimmering little guitar after “massive body”? Yes please. Busy bass playing at ~2:05? Darn tootin.

nickSeptember 29, 2023 10:07am

thanks brother. and yeah bass had to show up big time with such light percush. i will call out that the lyric is “stars left to rights”, however the melody does follow the lyrics as if it were left to right on a fretboard.

agasthyaSeptember 24, 2023 10:15pm

“i’ve become as old as light” is such a good line. “we found a curve” is my favorite of many excellent moments in this.

RyanSeptember 25, 2023 2:37pm

Yeah what the hell is even going on here? An extra chord and a bass re-harm or something? Spill the deets, @@nick.

nickSeptember 29, 2023 10:02am

mmm thanks. and @@ryan it’s just one of those moments in songwriting where something a little strange came naturally. two bars of 3/4 and i just dont technically know what’s happening harmonically… spidercreeping?

BenSeptember 26, 2023 10:21am

howdy, and welcome! i remember fondly, years ago, being like, “hey what’s this game with the sunburst guitar icon that came with this imac?” So many countless hundreds of hours spent digging around that software. Lots of fun.

Pangea “rupturing” is a cool way to frame it. In fact, that whole verse is some ingenious wording.

Looking forward to your next songs.

stonewindowSeptember 26, 2023 8:46pm

Thanks for this Ben. I’m fully intimidated and inspired by y’all and your songwriting skills. But I’m planning to persist. What’s the worst that can happen? Some other form of “rupture”

nickSeptember 26, 2023 10:15am

Great primitive outro! Glad to have you onboard. How great is it to start getting comfortable with Garageband, right? Such a wonderful software, and eventually, quite easy to use. Don’t hesitate to google or youtube any obstacles… there are loads of videos for troubleshooting nearly everything on there. Super fun track. Favorite lyric is “The Caribbean Sea was a baby”.

stonewindowSeptember 26, 2023 8:43pm

Yes, I was totally supported by Ryan to get my the song submitted. I was a pain in the ass for his Sunday afternoon. And yes the motivation to dig into GarageBand is a blessing. And it doesn’t produce mp3 files… another YouTube video rabbit hole that was fruitless because I am using an iPad….

The lyrics came pretty fast. They could use some editing. Glad you liked the “ ….. baby”. Attempts at humor are also a challenge. Thank you for creating this opportunity.

RyanSeptember 25, 2023 10:44am

Love the upper register of your voice, Brit. Great tone, great control. Really sounds fantastic.

Borrowing one of Zoya’s favorite pieces of criticism of my own songwriting, here: I think keeping an eye on the number of syllables that work smoothly with your melodies could improve the overall rhythmic feel of the song. Then I think the guitar rhythm and vocal rhythm could settle together.

In other news—I love the idea of being with someone for 200 million years haha.

Great inclusion of the percussion at the end! I think that’s a brilliant outro.

stonewindowSeptember 25, 2023 6:29pm

Thank you Ryan. Your comments are very helpful. Much appreciated.

nickSeptember 26, 2023 10:16am

I second Ryan’s comment about your higher vocal range—sounds really strong!

stonewindowSeptember 26, 2023 8:36pm

Thanks Nick, appreciate your kind words.

nickSeptember 26, 2023 11:12am

Maybe it’s so aggressive because it was reincarnated as the lead singer to the B52s but was hoping for Ween? Not unlike your comment to my piece, you have an incredibly distinct style which is on full display here. Funny how that works. You’re not gonna like this, but I can almost guarantee I’ve never seen JP1 from start to finish. Yikes. As egregious as this dino is, I’m actually pretty on board with the vibe. I was gonna say to cut out some of the breathing noises in between lines, but maybe fucking not. fuck it.

You land on a really tight groove at the end (3:41) with that strummy guitar. love that. absolutely feffing love that.

BenSeptember 26, 2023 3:28pm

you’re right, i dont like that.

RyanSeptember 26, 2023 1:48pm

This is awesome. I hear a lot of Return to Cookie Mountain in this and think you could push it even further in that direction. Maybe by using even more chaotic tones for that main poppy melody (1:48). Something really wiry and frenetic.

In addition to addressing the rhythmic nudging, I wonder if it’s a few clicks under the ideal tempo? Once you finish nudging, maybe play around with that. The change in arrangement at 1:05 (which I lovvvvve) feels a little under, which is why I mention it.

But yeah as soon as that aggressive verse comes in, I was like yeeeeup I like where he took this.

nickSeptember 26, 2023 10:27am

no not boring, i think it’s charming. and im on board with all the melodic and lyrical inclusions. I think what may be contributing to the “boredom” you’re referencing is that the chunking guitar line is rhythmically ahead of the drums, and then the vocals are a little ahead of the guitar, so you end up with a feeling of the drums holding everything back instead of pushing things forward. I’d hop back in there, take a good look at the wave forms, and start by isolating the drums and guitars and just nudging that guitar until it sits ever so slightly on the back side of the drums. Then id nudge the vocals so line up with the guitar. Just a thought, but may be what you’re looking for!

BenSeptember 26, 2023 10:36am

welp, was literally about to comment on your song finally, after listening for a couple days, but i guess nick and i are both NCBC commenting at the same time this morning, him 4 minutes before me. Which is nice, because he put it well.

It’s absolutely not boring, and it has all the DNA of one of your pop rock songs (except that DNA is stuck in a rhythmically out-of-sync mosquito, and frozen in a chunk of rushed-guitar amber). It might actually be a simple, mechanical fix. Scoot some guitar, maybe drag some snare, insert a little frog DNA, move some vocals.

My theory is that maybe the inability for you to lock deeply into the groove when you’re listening back to it is what makes you think it’s boring (and laborious)?

It’s a compact, fun, catchy song, that fits really well into your repertoire.

agasthyaSeptember 26, 2023 12:26pm

@nick and @@Ben YES i think y’all solved it (“laborious” is exactly right, Ben). I think I’m so used to having the drums slightly behind the beat on my more dilla-inspired productions I didn’t even think to address it. gonna tweak and report back.

BenSeptember 26, 2023 12:36pm

yeah, when you have those 8th note palm muted chords chunking along like this, the drums can’t afford to have the dilla looseness. I use 8th note palm muted powerchord chunking a lot. Usually i start with the drums for these kinds of beats and play guitar along to it, but even then i sometimes run into little micro-awkwardnesses in the feel.

My weird approaches here, which always feel like cheating, but sometimes yield the exact rhythmic feel solution i’m looking for: i remove the highhat, or at least way lower the highhat. yours feels fairly low in the mix already. this removes opportunities for the 8th notes to clash. Then for slightly less poppy stuff, i sometimes even double or triple (triples is best) the snare voices and drag them a little on either side of the beat. I actually dont think either of these 2 things is right for your song (i think you actually have to just get it perfect), but just wanted to chime in about this rhythmic problem because it’s the #1 thing i struggle with

agasthyaSeptember 26, 2023 12:50pm

everyone knows triples is best. triples makes it safe.

RyanSeptember 26, 2023 1:44pm

Just raising my hand here to say I agree with the well-articulated rhythm notes

RyanSeptember 26, 2023 1:33pm

haaaaaaahaha. This feels like a novel where the narrator changes without warning and you’re just helplessly along for the ride. “Why is the stegosaurus so aggressive?” Because it is—eat my shorts.

What a vibe.

Top moment for me is the delayed delivery on “meat”. Very Tom Waits. Also dig the arrangement getting smaller in the “slime” section. “Slime section” is the best I’ve got because as usual with your work, you do a great job obscuring whatever the song structure is here.

agasthyaSeptember 24, 2023 10:27pm

AND THE BEAK! i’m gonna be yelling that all week. this rocks. snare/clap is dirty!!

BenSeptember 26, 2023 11:07am

🐦😈

alechutsonSeptember 25, 2023 12:16pm

AHAHA YESS

So much grit and sass. It’s almost like Oogie Boogie voices the Steg

Great guitar sounds. There’s a bit of Pink Floyd energy in this tune. Props for weaving the past in with the present day, it feels like we’re in Jurassic Park with you and then zooming out to see you interacting with YouTube. I love the last bit too – great button ending.

I would maybe have the intro vocals mixed further away – it feels like they could be like a little voice at the back of your head

Feff Goldblum ftw 😉

Clever girl

BenSeptember 26, 2023 11:04am

oh yeah, big boogie man vibes. and i totally agree with you on the intro vocals

agasthyaSeptember 24, 2023 10:12pm

that opening riff/instrumental hook is HEAVY! love the tone the pignose gave the guitar. vocals are super duper clean, and the melodies+harmonies are very Alec (in a good way). all in all I would say this is exactly what a reanimated t rex would do.

alechutsonSeptember 25, 2023 1:12pm

thanks man! WWRTRD (what would reanimated t-rex do?)

nickSeptember 26, 2023 10:34am

it would definitely call the first person it saw a “snack”, that’s for sure.

alechutsonSeptember 25, 2023 12:32pm

Your production is on point as always. So easy to relate to the lyrical content – so much so that I named my band Death by Comet 💀 I like how positive sounding the chord changes and melodies are, especially contrasting with the lyrics and dirt of the production. I think you could really lean into that dissonance a bit more so that we viscerally experience this conflict of emotions with you.

“It’s so hard to be a killer when your heart isn’t in it” is a great moment, and that lyrical trade really works for me.

I think that the choruses could have more evolution in the rhythm section, or maybe an addition of a counter-melody, especially towards the end. It feels like those are the moments to really imply an oncoming disaster.

nickSeptember 26, 2023 10:27am

“It’s so hard to be a killer when your heart isn’t in it”  Yes I loved this moment too

BenSeptember 26, 2023 10:23am

such a good round of songs

alechutsonSeptember 25, 2023 12:05pm

Hi, welcome!

I’d love to read along to the lyrics, would you mind posting them?

You’ve got a great bard/storyteller vibe to this song. I can almost imagine a group of wide-eyed children arranged in a circle around you as you regale them about cephlopods

stonewindowSeptember 25, 2023 6:28pm

Alec Thanks for your kind words. I just added the lyrics as they currently stand.

stonewindowSeptember 24, 2023 9:45pm

Melodies and harmonies are killer.

RyanSeptember 25, 2023 10:49am

Thanks, Brit!

agasthyaSeptember 24, 2023 10:22pm

wow this is lush! vocals after the guitar solo are really lovely. I tend towards maudlin in my production instincts but I would love to hear a few gratuitous drum fills into the chorus throughout. love the imagery!

RyanSeptember 25, 2023 10:48am

Completely agreed. I was only able to nab about thirty minutes with a drum kit for this, so I played it conservatively. But I really wanted some fills to open up the choruses. Sneaked ONE in at the end haha. Anyhow, yep, good call.

stonewindowSeptember 24, 2023 9:58pm

Ya’ll know how to write songs. I’m gob smacked.

RyanSeptember 13, 2023 8:15pm

The question is: how many of us are going to write the chorus first?

BenSeptember 14, 2023 1:13pm

and how many of our choruses are going to want (beg) to functionally serve as verses and are we going to try and fight that or let that just happen

nickSeptember 20, 2023 3:13pm

If a chorus is sung alone in a forest, is it still a chorus?

BenSeptember 11, 2023 9:58am

👓 “songwriting, uh, finds a way…”

ZSeptember 12, 2023 11:41am

“That is one big pile of songwriting.”

BenSeptember 12, 2023 9:35pm

“must write faster”

BenSeptember 12, 2023 9:41pm

“and uhh here I am now by myself, uhh, commenting on ncbc to myself. uhh that’s, that’s chaos theory.”

atonmasSeptember 11, 2023 5:51pm

I’m more of a Triassic guy myself, so this could get a bit awkward…

peterSeptember 12, 2023 9:57am

everything after the primordial soup has been a waste of time

peterSeptember 12, 2023 10:56am

everything since the primordial soup has been a waste of time

atonmasSeptember 12, 2023 11:21am

ugh #mood

agasthyaFebruary 27, 2023 8:39am

either i never actually submitted a comment last night or @@peter might wanna check something out, BUT i love this. it doesn’t feel like a 5 minute song at all. I love the percussion-heavy section near the end and the bassline at around 2:45 is very McCartney (maybe hints of I Want You/She’s So Heavy?). love it!

BenFebruary 27, 2023 4:18pm

Thanks (and i’m glad i have a couple seconds that are reminiscent of my favorite bassman of all time). I’m usually disappointed in the sound of my bass recordings. i’m fine with my playing, but it’s always fretbuzzy if i hit a note anywhere in the first 3 or 4 frets. I usually have to either scoop out a bunch of frequencies to get rid of the buzz (i’m playing on my childhood Korean squire pbass, which i havent properly had a setup on in at least 20 years) or dramatically change how i play and where i hit my notes. But for this recording i put a capo on the second fret and played with a pick and it sounded kind of nice. minimal effects. Still has the grindy effect that i like and when i swing up to hit an octave on the same string (which is becoming a thing i do a lot i guess?), it wasn’t overbearing (i hope). A little overdriven but fairly well-contained and not gross sounding.

nickMarch 8, 2023 12:11pm

so true, agasthya re she’s so heavy

BenSeptember 11, 2023 2:59pm

sir paul, and weirdly chris squire of Yes, are masters of the using-a-pick bass slide up. i feel like something about their style of bass guitars (hofners and rickenbackers) lend themselves to being slid on.

alechutsonFebruary 27, 2023 12:35pm

Ben, this is one of my favorites of yours. Vocals sound great. Loving your choices for sounds and the mix sounds great to me. Maybe the wood block is a little more pronounced than I would have gone for? It’s giving me like Dave Grohl meets Eliot Smith meets Silversun Pickups and they all cook a tasty treat together

alechutsonFebruary 27, 2023 12:36pm

A bit of Talking Heads in the outro

BenSeptember 11, 2023 2:56pm

ah yes, i def hear that in the intro.

and yeah, you know, the woodblock can be a very divisive block. im just glad you didnt hear the original mix and arrangement.

froebusinessFebruary 27, 2023 1:46pm

Yeah dude. Big Elliot Smith vibes for me at times. I don’t know why, but “I’m going left” just really speaks to me. It’s such a simple little line but sounds so cool.

BenSeptember 11, 2023 2:55pm

now if only i could go left on the bball court

lizzieFebruary 27, 2023 5:05pm

i LIVED for the guitar at 2:20. neither it or the bass is too much at all. this is a song that my friends and i growing up would put on in one of our cars, smoke a little weed to, and just marvel at. i agree with @@agasthya about the percussion at the end. it’s comes after you’ve set the mood as enjoyable/relaxed in a jam kind of way, so it’s not annoying or distracting at all. great job!

BenSeptember 11, 2023 2:54pm

as someone who for many years pretty much *exclusively judged music based on how good it would be to smoke weed to in the car,* that means a lot. thanks

ZFebruary 27, 2023 5:15pm

Yeah I hear ya with the mix stuff. I know I end up wrestling with that stuff so much more than I want to. And I have to do quieter singing more often than I’d like to when it’s not what the song needs.

Having that said I have a lot of respect for overcoming those challenges and I think this song totally does that.

Not only is it exciting to hear you lean more into guitar and bass live performances and going outside of your comfort zone vocally, form-wise it feels like a complete thought, there are a lot of ideas in here and none of them get abandoned or un-realized, just feels like fluid and creative AF.

great work man!

BenSeptember 11, 2023 2:53pm

thank you! fun to let loose a little in guitarandbassland

EliasSZFebruary 27, 2023 7:54pm

Im getting like a Beatles in the 90s vibe from this. And then that killer guitar solo at 2:19 is so sick leading to those yelled vocals. Great vibes in this tune – there’s some really careful songwriting going on here that I really appreciate it and some wonderful textures in the arrangement.

BenSeptember 11, 2023 2:51pm

thank you! drooling imagining what the beatles in the 90s would sound like. id be into it.

TylerKFebruary 28, 2023 11:22pm

Wood block heaven. It takes a real musician to use woodblock tastefully. A little something for the table. A little woodblock tiramisu dessert. Damn cool vocal style too. Really small guitar sound that works to make the solo soar, like a jet. You could probably record an album in a library and it’d still sound sick. Reminds me of The Unicorns and Elliott Smith. Great song Ben.

BenSeptember 11, 2023 2:46pm

Thank you! the woodblock is tasteful because i forced myself to cut out like 50% of it.

RyanMarch 14, 2023 8:31pm

Electric guitar tone and piano chaos both sounding hella apocalyptic—nailed that. Cool that some of the vocal lines are barely or not at all finished. That’s a pretty rad solution for reverse engineering lyrics into the tune. Adds to the chaos.

This was a wild ride, I don’t even know where I am. Riding westward with Ben in the Fit, I guess?

BenSeptember 11, 2023 2:44pm

i was driving past stamford ct a few weeks ago [“full tank connecticut” “westward”] in the Fit and it was a very apocalyptic scene with trees growing in weird places, not many people, and just creepy vibes and i thought about this tune a little.

nickMarch 15, 2023 12:24pm

ooo that’s a diamond transition at :58 from wee-e-e-e into the guitar. and killer piano entrance at 1:31. why is the outro giving me Going For the One vamppy solo section??? very dope. and lol, breaking the 4th wall at the end is a delicious surprise. great submissh.

i only have airpods right now, but im getting what sounds like some clipping in the left ear at like ~2:05-2:20. may just be my equipment, but id double peep that.

BenMarch 15, 2023 1:20pm

ah yes, Yes making an appearance once again.

nickMarch 15, 2023 2:14pm

and yeah i think it may just be my headphones ^_^

BenSeptember 11, 2023 2:41pm

phew

daeclanMarch 27, 2023 9:23pm

i love the instrumental here, it reminds me of the good kind of dubstep (before the bros stepped in). like high polish UK idm. the lyrics and delivery fit well and have a restless & hypnotic vibe about ’em. the sonic chaos in the middle shapes up nicely and builds well, sounds really nice in my 2.1 system. lots of dynamics but it feels cohesive & buoyant.

singing feels loud enough, didn’t consider you were being gentle but i know that feeling (!) and never want to be self conscious when i am creating. have you played at all w treating your space w pads/blankets? even as a measure of self-isolation, might be worth considering!

BenSeptember 11, 2023 2:41pm

i think thats the next move. it’s just my office with computer stuff and some instruments. havent taken any measures to make it sound good yet. good call. good feedback.

alechutsonApril 10, 2023 7:29pm

i love your use of vocal samples here, you created a really unique vibe with this piece!

i would love to hear an extended version of this that drops into full band halfway through. gr34t jerb!

BenSeptember 11, 2023 2:39pm

yeah, for some reason, i feel like this needs 3 drummers on it. not playing complex stuff, but just layering things live

daeclanMarch 27, 2023 9:38pm

i love how many elements you bring into your mixes, somehow fitting in a whole world of sound into the space of 2 mins 30 secs. i love the show concept, too (cos humans are the real monsters most of the time) and think this is a fitting soundtrack to that world. the guitar at the end reminds of a young jonny greenwood in the best of ways.

p.s. i was also hustling to get my shit together in time for the beginning of the end of succession, and i love that theme song more than i should.

BenSeptember 11, 2023 2:36pm

yeah, i listen to the full succession soundtrack sometimes when i’m working. what are some of your fav theme songs?

ZMarch 30, 2023 2:01pm

I’d totally watch this show. The music is great, I l’m glad we get to hear the whole song – I’ve always loved listening to the full twin peaks material. It is interesting to think about how you’d pate down the song to its most essential emotional centers depending on what the time/creative constraints are with the rest of the team, but there’s so much to work with here. Have you ever listened to the entire Bresking Bad intro? It is to me a TOTALLY different experience than what the 15 second truncated version it is.

I think you really nailed the mystery and night-timy feeling, and I love that it morphs into this total beast by the end. Vocals remind me of Son Lux.

nice work!

BenSeptember 11, 2023 2:34pm

YES. always SO weird hearing full themes. It’s like you pinch-zoom out of little 60 sec ditty and there’s structure and repetition and you realize what things got unceremoniously chopped and cut to fit the commercial television length. But like 99% of the time, i def prefer the tv theme version because the full version is too eerily long and too specifically, intentionally structured

nickApril 13, 2023 11:51am

Love your stream of consciousness descriptions. Yeah fun moves arrangement/progression wise. I’m also curious @@ryan how you created the progression… keys, guitar, or midi first? And yes of course I would watch this show.

BenSeptember 11, 2023 2:32pm

iirc: voice memo gtr -> logic gtr to click -> sounded too much like Exit Music for a Film –> changed everything -> sounded too much like leonard cohen -> changed everything -> in logic: gtr -> bass –> addictive drums -> vocals -> keys –> removed half of the drums –> midi horns etc

RyanApril 3, 2023 5:00pm

Benzo, this is gorgeous. One of my all-time favorite submissions from you. Great musical composition—how did you approach it?

I’m thrilled that it explodes at the end. Totally fitting.

Marketing team at HBO Max: “We are absolutely not calling it Muine Bheag.”

Agreed with @@daeclan that this is all about the wide variety of little voices that appear. Killer guitar playing. Great horn parts, great string parts. So fun.

BenSeptember 11, 2023 2:25pm

writer [who’s currently on strike]; BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE “MOON BIG”

RyanSeptember 10, 2023 10:21pm

🦖🦕🦖🦕

alechutsonApril 10, 2023 6:57pm

i love how your loops become more of a texture/ drone than the main structure of your track.

the only part that feels a like it could use some freshening to me is the snare loop, everything else feels like it’s serving a purpose

RyanApril 13, 2023 1:31pm

Thanks, yeah, I was into the loops becoming a texture, too! Keeping the chord progression out of the loops helped a lot. Got to later reframe the length of the loops, harmony, etc.

Totally agreed on the drum loop—kind of ended up locked into using it because it’s a full kit loop and then was dissatisfied with my attempts at making small variations on it. Then ran out of time to experiment more lol. I think it could work if it showed up in one less section. Or if I threw in another kit layer that varied it up? Maybe that’s the move.

nickApril 13, 2023 12:21pm

Cool to see you getting techy! Would not mind hearing some further digital exploration from you. Definitely into some of the glitchy vocal elements, and with your dynamic voice, I think a lot of good be done. But yeah, cool track.

alechutsonApril 13, 2023 1:13pm

🙏 thank you :))

juliapikerApril 9, 2023 9:22pm

OOOoooo Someone is going to get a little spanking for not following the parameters.

alechutsonApril 9, 2023 11:42pm

i’m pretty sure i stayed within parameters so the spanking better be unrelated!

nickApril 13, 2023 12:19pm

Well seems like a spanking for one reason or another is inevitable, and that’s good news in my book. @@juliapiker may be referring to the “non-drum” loop part of the parameters, but curious if you read this a different way.

alechutsonApril 13, 2023 1:12pm

Spanks abound! I didn’t see anything strictly forbidding use of drums. The parameters specified a structure for a 4 voice loop with another line over it, which I had. The drums I didn’t treat as a static loop – they cut in and out, evolved, etc. But even if they were, I still met the requirements for 4 stacked equal length non-drum loops plus a fifth element, introduced one at a time

nickApril 13, 2023 12:34pm

Also, was definitely gonna call you out for the drums so geeze am I glad i decided to do my reading

nickApril 13, 2023 12:31pm

glad you liked this one, and a great submission. I think with these parameters, if something is not referred to as a loop, then hey, it does not have to be a loop. So yes, the 4 loops had to be loops, but the 5th element could have been anything of any length. Or at least, that’s how I see it. Appreciate your determination to nail the recipe—and you did!

alechutsonApril 10, 2023 7:25pm

mmm that string loop is tasty. this whole piece feels like a dreamy summer memory.

i think the bass line could be simpler, more intentional. maybe a different tone as well. what if you used the hanz zimmer BWOW noise, lean a bit more into the Inception vibe?

nickApril 13, 2023 12:26pm

Lol never knew how to spell that noise

nickApril 13, 2023 12:24pm

Ok wow. Thank you for your offering. Strong debut 💰

nickApril 13, 2023 12:07pm

First off, love how thoroughly you describe your approach to each parameter—I definitely appreciate the full scope of that insight. My current mentality in regards to self-mixing is that I’m not trying to win any awards for innovation, and so I try and take advantage of the Logic presets as much as possible. Totally agree with @@Z that throwing the whole thing through a preset master is a game changer. I often mix and even record all with the master bus applied which is ~not recommended~ by the pros, but it absolutely recommends by me.

ZMarch 29, 2023 7:36pm

Yeah I immediately start cracking up when this comes on. In isolation you might thinking it’s a tender Bruce Springsteen crooning about Wendy when we hear “she’s waking me home,” but you’d be two legs short.

The bass slow down into ”all I wanna do” I really like, and look forward to.

I’m most impressed that for all the unsettling stuff about dumping and pissing, sung at pillow-distance, the endearment of it all prevails for me.

and way to truly feature a unique instrument, Kalimba I think grounds it around the airier textures, it’s like I can feel both the interior of the house and the warm-ish night-time poopin’ air.

big one daddy!

ZMarch 29, 2023 7:43pm

Oh sugar I’m sorry I didnt really give mix-notes.

I think everything feels pretty well balanced, I’d try to two quick things-

Vocals performance I wouldn’t change a bit but they stick out a little – I’ve been finding success getting them to sit better with effects, like an 8th, a quarter, and a slap bus, and see if any of those give a little more presence just at the felt not heard level. Maybe even a little saturation?

and then I think l the whole thing could use a little more weight – do you throw anything on your master bus? I like to do that a lot when I’m demoing so I can feel things better even if it’s a bit heavy handed. Like a tape emulator or a limiter and play with that a bit and see if it you can’t score a little extra beef!

RyanApril 3, 2023 5:09pm

Comment of the week: “I’m most impressed that for all the unsettling stuff about dumping and pissing, sung at pillow-distance, the endearment of it all prevails for me.”

nickApril 13, 2023 12:01pm

Ditto to @@ryan ’s accolade

nickApril 13, 2023 11:56am

What a home run! You’ve really excelled with drum programming. Immediately hooked, and that’s what the networks want ya know?? this thing’s gonna sell. Love the bridge—totally imagine us seeing AGUAMAN emerging from the ocean like a submarine, trident outstretched, wink to the camera. Really great stuff.

alechutsonApril 10, 2023 7:00pm

this is fun 😆

RyanApril 10, 2023 11:47am

Lot of great sounds here, holy moly! Love that synth entrance at 0:30. Really all the ethereal sounds are awesome. Synth solo also rad as hell. Evocative track as always, man.

Re: mixing and production — I’m no master. But I want these drums to be beefier. More compression, more saturation, a little darker. And I think the vocal chops and screws should either take things further or be reserved for the synths. I think they’re a little in the middle right now.

alechutsonApril 10, 2023 6:58pm

i totally agree with your analysis!

alechutsonApril 10, 2023 6:48pm

love this one, playful and nostalgic. i second ryan – a bangin drop into a full rhythm section would be pretty great

RyanApril 10, 2023 11:56am

Very “Different Trains” by Steve Reich, and I’m here for it. Love what those vibraphones are bringing. Nice balance between the pensive orchestra and the impatient-sounding vocal sample. This one’s a big win for me.

BenApril 10, 2023 12:08pm

thank you, thank you. yeah, the Kronos Quartet Steve Reich Different Trains recording was basically the vibe. However, the “different ways” “different trains” similarity is just a really cool coincidence.

RyanApril 10, 2023 12:00pm

Oof, I love this vocal melody. And that playful rhythm on loop 2 and loop 4.

Re: expanded version — um, an absolutely banging rhythm section. Think you could be into that? Countermelody on some kind of organic instrument over the synths, too. Maybe for a B section. Yum.

RyanApril 10, 2023 11:54am

Jesus, that first loop is a damn dream. I could listen to it all day. This sounds like a remix of a Washed Out B-side off of Paracosm. I love this.

Re: bassline — yeah, actually, I do think there’s a better option waiting to be found! I think the harmonic territory is dead on, but the rhythmic gestures need work. Too syncopated for its own good, I think. Track feels so damn good to sit in—the bassline should play into that more.

Great work, Juli.

RyanApril 10, 2023 11:48am

So, yeah, I would call this unexpected.

BenApril 7, 2023 10:40am

is this the first ncbc submission tagged jazz or funk?

lol this is great and funny, and CLEAN – both fairly familyfriendly wise, and just not a single grain of dirt anywhere to be found on the recording, i guess besides the honky clav and harmonica. You got Ballito over here, with the spiders and meat (spider meat?), and then you got Robert over here on a nickelodeon marathon every saturday morning.

daeclanMarch 27, 2023 9:19pm

i love the space and magnetic pull/reach of the instrumental—like a gentle beam from a UFO trying to bring an old friend back up to the mothership. the lyrics paint an impressionist 

the synth sounds feel like home, i like the sound selections and don’t think anything sticks out in a bad way.

is that the same piano at 1:40 and 1:58, just an octave up? seems so much more clear & provides some relief to any prior tension—feels intentional, but i think the more vintage/detuned piano lower sound fits the mood & could continue to fit there if you didn’t want to break out of that sadder vibe.

RyanApril 3, 2023 5:36pm

Damn, I love the idea of a UFO trying to bring an old friend back up to the mothership. That fits well—this song ended up being about the warmth of memories that stand the test of time, so I’m glad you felt a hominess.

It’s the same effect chain on the piano at 1:40 and 1:58, yup, but it’s the lead part from verse 2 that makes a reappearance as an interlude. I also played the same melody on electric guitar (piano on the left, clean guitar on the right). Yeah I wanted to let the sunlight prevail in the back half of the tune, so that change in mood was intentional. I’m hoping enough storminess stayed in the drums to make the whole track cohesive, regardless of the eventual shift.

daeclanMarch 27, 2023 8:19pm

this is so 24

is is very jack bauer

this is giving counter terrorism

i really dig the cinematic nature, and foreboding bass (but hopeful tings and pings). really nailed it, sounds like a friggin show theme song. i haven’t seen homeland in like 6 years but i think this is what i remember feeling during the credits.

re: notes

i think you could do great things at the company, man. they are always looking for the best and boldest and brightest. but be careful, they are known assassins and tricksters.

& side-chaining! i love it here, and in certain contexts (rly just thinking about Flying Lotus tbh). it can be distracting if it is not surrounded by other elements that are contributing to the mix; it has a really powerful hypnotic quality, but i think that goes away if you can focus too directly on it. i think your mix strikes a good balance where it is pushing/pulling without distracting from the Central Idea At play

ZMarch 29, 2023 6:50pm

This is giving counter terrorism = top comment award

RyanApril 3, 2023 5:29pm

Yeah biiiig into this is giving counter terrorism

ZMarch 29, 2023 6:50pm

So. Evocative!

Ken burns effect within the first few seconds, lucky draw for whomever gets to put visuals to this track over at HBO.

Love the side-chaining! I’m no pro at it but I like what Daeclan said – it seems like one needs to figure out what instruments are going to be sucked into the sidechain or not. My ear wants a non SC entrance for the cello (? Entrance at 13s) to separate it a bit. I wouldn’t want it totally flat so maybe just splitting the difference or playing with a separate compressor for that track would be where I’d start to explore.

just noticing how the ‘shaker’ sets that entrance up then gets out of the way – really nice touch.

Hi pass section is perfect

Four on the floor kick sounds awesome,

Noticing now that the the fundamental drum part is i think a 2 bar phrase which keeps it interesting – v cool.

Man there are a lot of other goodies in here, like that quivery reflection on the bells? Is that a separate entrance or like a flutter on a delay bud or somethin?

this is really great, going to enjoy it as much as possible before it gets memory-holed by the spooks!

nickApril 3, 2023 11:26am

Evocative is the word

RyanApril 3, 2023 5:28pm

Thanks, mate! Oh yeah fun fact about that “shaker” — that’s me scratching the head of an SM57 with a guitar pick and then distorting the shit out of it. And yeah, the quivery bell reflection I was thrilled with. That is a reverse reverb/delay tail from SoundToys Crystallizer that I added a fair bit of pre-delay to so that that effect swirls back in significantly after the glock attack.

And yeahhhh, good call on that non sidechained cello entrance. I actually tried that for a sec and couldn’t get it to work and then bailed. But I agree that might be best.

RyanApril 3, 2023 5:22pm

“All I wanna do is piss on everything, love on everything, smell on everything” – the Buddha

Some mix notes to consider!

The bass and kick sound are competing for the same space. I’d try thinning out the bass sound so that it’s more consistent in tone when you’re higher up on the neck / using higher strings and when you go down to the woofier territory. Hopefully that’ll also clear up some room for the kick, which you can then add sub and punch to.

Keys are sitting in a great place! Nice and isolated in that part of the EQ spectrum

Vox sound pretty good to me. I agree with @@Z that some wetness (delay, verb) on the lead could be a good thing.

And then yeah, what’s your protocol for a quick “mastering” once your track is done?

This track caught me completely off guard and I kind of haven’t been able to stop picturing you walking around on all fours and taking big shits on lawns ever since. In my mind’s eye, you are smiling.

RyanApril 3, 2023 5:08pm

This is absolutely hilarious. It also came on so, SO loud on my speakers for some reason (maybe following a quieter submission) and I was assaulted by it, making it even funnier.

I can easily picture a young Ryan Kershaw looking forward to hearing “Mmm, what the hell’s goin on?” getting a proper thrill from having heard the word ‘hell’ and being like “oh SHIT I better get my pop tart outta the toaster because my favorite show about a cigar-smokin’ barn cat jazzman is on.”

ZMarch 29, 2023 7:22pm

I’d tap SickAnimation for the video😂.

This is great, so easy and fun to follow, all the parts are so deliberate and clear, the lyrics are perfecto – thanks for putting tin sandwich in my “I look forward to forcing this expression into an ordinary conversation” jar.

Huge shout out to the emotional arc of the narrator – he starts off so grumpy and skeptical and then he just gives in to the groove, I can him rolling his shoulders and crossings his arms and bouncing when we get to “tumbleweed smoke/humble tweed coat.” Wild rhyme.

at the end you arrive at the “Robert kittens” refrain and it feels like the narrator is no longer the focal point but an audience member and you feel like you’ve been brought to the show too, so cool!

Biggest curiosity – that vocal is so clear and present and there’s so much bass in it! Can you share with the class a bit about how you got that sound?

nickApril 3, 2023 12:45pm

can’t tell you how glad i was to come across tin sandwich. was intimated by the corniness of it all, wasn’t sure how much to lean into the rappy nature of the lyric sheet. Landed on a balance of Fresh Prince of Bel-Air and Snake Farm.

and sheesh thank you about vocals, but it’s always a guessing game on my end. Recorded with the Rode NT1 condenser microphone. Started with the “Tube Vocal” preset on Logic, then on the Pedalboard I took off the Tube Burner and added the SQUASH compressor and Tru Tape delay. A little fussing later and there you have it.

daeclanMarch 27, 2023 8:14pm

okay i am loving the wild animal energy that seems to be coming through on some of these submissions. i feel the barn energy. i see the glow. i smell the barn bar air, drunk animal stink.

really diggin the cinematic storytelling here, could see the lyrics animated for sure. instrumental gives me 70s the doors energy, and i thought the harmonica was a vocoder until i read your description so kudos on making it sound human & dynamic even w one note!

pilot pitch: robert kitten finds his tumbleweed is laced with pcp & has to track down his dealer, for justice

nickApril 3, 2023 12:30pm

right and i just barely show a bit of promise in my detective assistance that Robert offers me a shred of approval which i devour. realizing that Robert may be the cat of s=1-800-CatDetective.com (@nick)

nickApril 3, 2023 11:25am

Siiiick but yeah if one of you turned out to be a secret agent it would be @@zoya

zoyaApril 3, 2023 12:01pm

Plus I don’t think the CIA even takes italians?

nickApril 3, 2023 11:41am

I could imagine watching Six Ducks on sunday morning in 1997 and my parents being like wtf is this why are things the way they are.

I think the ducks exclusively quack with subtitles when they’re on their own, but once they’re together in man-form, they take on the voice of celebrity chef, restaurateur, television personality, cookbook author, and National Best Recipe award winner for his “Turkey and Hot Sausage Chili” recipe in 2003, Emeril Lagassé.

nickApril 3, 2023 11:27am

The sidechaining is very yes working for me. I would look forward to hearing this at the front of each show. No skip baby.

ZMarch 30, 2023 2:19pm

Love how the context of the municipal building, the boredom, really makes whats going on emotionally between the characters pop that much more.

I think “shorter” would be a fruitful instinct to follow in the context of a show’s intro. However this feels to me more like something that belongs in DC or Sam Pearce’s catalogue, in which case it can be as long or as stripped down as needed.

i don’t know much about the show, but if the premise is “sad indie guitar guy” and you’ll be trying out other stuff free of the NCBC parameters, I’d be curious to see what can come of something that provides more contrast. Maybe having someone else sing it? Possibly a female, if you’re going to be playing the lead role? Or a tempo/feel that’s a little more exciting? Maybe no vocal at all? Like what about the feel from “Panic Song” by Greet Death. I say all this because if I’m watching this show, I’m definitely gonna wanna hear some of the main characters music at some point. But if I’ve already heard a very specific tune right in the intro too many times it might undermine the performances reserved for the episodes themselves..

I guess to summarize, I love this as it is, personally want it to be a Sam Pearce/DC track, perhaps performed in one of the episodes itself, and so I think the intro should be in the rock world but it shouldn’t sound like Sad Indie Guitar Guy’s band…

Hope this is helpful, thank you for sharing this!

RyanMarch 30, 2023 10:19am

Jeeeeeeeeesus, yes. Somewhere between Petite Feet and Indiana Jones lies true bliss.

Moments of unbridled genius that I’d like to highlight:

The cymbal wash heading into the instrumental section. Unbelievably perfect.

Strings joining instrumental section. Actually moving. What a MELODY!

Isolated kit moment following the instrumental—this would be who accepts the Grammy and gives the speech

Vocal obliteration on “plan”

Every single brass part

Every single guitar tone

This theme is so good that I finally understand what Robin and Kyle mean when they say they catch zero lyrics on their first ten listens. I cannot stop listening to this. No notes.

ZMarch 29, 2023 7:07pm

I’d consider the karate sounds more of a feature than “bass,” but then again we’re talking about the front man of The Drunken Monkeys 😂

Guitar intro is absolutely hatching’ vibes.

I’m not sure what the pilot is gonna be – I’d recommend a close re-watch of both Beverly Hills Ninja and Three Ninjas to really carve out what’s gone unsaid in the trans-Atlantic ninja comedy dialogue.

Just now appreciating the vocal sample and the harmony at chorus 2, and the 2 claps, the last shake on the shaker.

You are a sum greater than your ducks Joe.

daeclanMarch 27, 2023 9:47pm

oh man this cooks. the intro is bombastic & the orchestra hits are inspired. loving the strings ~0:50, too. twang fits well, this feels like a southern california super hero and i bet he has an absolute ton of sex. that is probably what he needs hydration for now that i think about it. but i mean, if he has strong discipline maybe he practices retention idk ok i am spiraling great work here man, what joy

daeclanMarch 27, 2023 9:18pm

so sweet and heavenly. a warm sunday morning sound. i think it works best naked like this, but would love to hear a more beefed up version just to confirm my suspicion.

love the lyrics, says just enough to bring up the sadness and longing underlying this tragedy. just incredible work my dude. sweet. heavens.

daeclanMarch 27, 2023 9:17pm

love the dad feature (!) and the general approach, it feels like an album outro. the implication of what your father is saying, and how it echos through your music is so rad. it creates a liminal space, i can almost hear the multiverses spiraling out of this like a never-ending mandelbrot set. really cool interpretation of the assignment, and what a deep introspective instrumental to boot. nice!

daeclanMarch 27, 2023 9:16pm

this is fun and i felt it so deeply (cos my grandma lived in Medford all my life and i done seen it change). i love the inspirations, and can hear al & zap & wet sammy here — it is playful & i can hear the space to spice w ska horns or zappa-esque high-polish doo whops. it’s a slice of life when life is kind of poking you in the eye haha, great work & fun sounds. i encourage you to lean more into your instincts–notch ’em up to 10–but love this 🙂

daeclanMarch 27, 2023 8:07pm

i want to watch this show. absolutely love the sound effects & atmosphere that arrive on verse 2. subtle vocal doubling sounds really natural and sits nice in the mix. good work w the shaker, too. only note is that the bass & guitar seemed to be coming from the same source—adding some light panning to either side might give you some more dynamics but it sounds tight, so if that was the intention, tight tight tight.

dreamcast: the kids used to call me ducklan but imagine fuckin’ six of me.

BenMarch 27, 2023 9:37am

Daddy took a big one tonight.

I lol’d a lot while listening to this.

Great kalimba work.

In terms of the chunk/mud of the bass, I don’t think it’s too chunky of a sound, in a vacuum, but it does maybe stand out and take up a good amount space… but also it sounds good to me. It’s a good driving bassheavy song and that is working. Maybe a good way to balance things out a little, while still maintaining the chonk , would be to add a little more mids/highmids to the track. Maybe one more subtle instrument or synth pad, or maybe even just slightly adjusting the keyboard mix? I dunno man, it sounds pretty great though.

This is the second submission on this assignment that couldve been on the “Inside” track list, like immediately following a banger like “Bezos II.”

nickMarch 27, 2023 9:37am

Love the new pic, btw📸

BenMarch 26, 2023 11:03pm

These are all excellent submissions, wow

BenMarch 26, 2023 8:03pm

Best thing you’ve submitted so far I think. So hilarious (and tight as hell) The intro is so good. Big “1985” by Bo Burnham energy (from the Inside Outtakes).

Seriously well done. The orchestra stabs are pretty great too.

AGUAMANNNNN

TylerKMarch 24, 2023 3:28pm

Vivid lyrics on this. Wasn’t expecting to feel this much but here I am.

I like the just organ and vocals approach a lot. It works for you. My band relies heavily on layering and layering, to the point where we fantasize about “what if on the next album we do a song just guitar and vocals!” but it seems to come so naturally from you. One of those real musicians, damn. If the lyrics weren’t so interesting I’d recommend adding in ear candy or some kinda room noise idk but you don’t need it.

I hope it’s not offensive that I liked the google drive video version just as much, if not more. That’s just where my taste is this week. This is great, I’m a big fan.

TylerKMarch 24, 2023 3:17pm

Brush drums sound great and roomy. I’m right there. With this style of drums, it’s hard to make anything NOT sound human. You gotta be inhuman to be good at brush drums. You nailed the drums!

I read the poem trying to figure out where you got the idea to write a country banger, and I think when I saw the word NOON I felt the same feeling you must’ve. Also maybe the word WHY, if you really stick the landing on the H the way you do in this song wHyyyy.

It’s funny you said you almost put barn noises in this song, when I was listening before I read I was like “damn I wanna tell him to put some country western glass clinking bar fighting noise behind this to complete the atmosphere” haha.

You got a great voice for country. Coulda used some lap steel and harmonica but then again, not every person who performs that genre has access to these instruments at all times either. Can’t carry all’at when you’re takin’ the greyhound to the next town. This is a true blue interpretation of a real ass country song.

TylerKMarch 24, 2023 3:00pm

Love the warm mic’d acoustic and close doubled vocal takes on top of each other. Got me excited for the acapella I knew was coming bc I knew it was gonna sound good (and of course it did). Great lyrics and feel to this song. Great bridge/chorus WOOOOON’T MAAATTER along with the sudden stop at the end. Ties into the theme of the source poem. This could work as a standalone song, obviously. I wouldn’t think of it as a demo even, I like the performance and production the way this is. Great work again.

EliasSZMarch 24, 2023 10:12am

Really nice track – the subtle light arpeggiating line feels so distant and really magnifies the sad, dark sound. “All I wanted was a little bit of time to be afraid” is a great line.

FWIW, even though I know it may have been supposed to be a capella – the bass carrying through sounded really nice to me.

In terms of build, an interesting exercise can be looking at your song and thinking about what are the moments you experience as peaks and valleys, in a narrative sense, and what the moments you want to experience as peaks and valley currently are. From there, it can help see how you are achieving what you want (or if you are) in the current arrangement, if it feels like it should be adjusted, if you like something that’s happening unintentionally, etc.

EliasSZMarch 24, 2023 10:04am

I wish I had been at this show. The a capella section with the crowd noise killed me in the best way possible – and the whole next bit as everything layered just felt so classic. Realllllly fun.

EliasSZMarch 24, 2023 9:31am

Very different responses to the same poem, but seems like it struck both of us for similar reasons. I like how pared down this is – feels easy to imagine someone playing this just with an acoustic at a campfire.

Also props to you for doing drums even though it may not be your key point. I, too, struggle immensely at making drums ever sound like I want them too, so I usually end up just skipping them… I’ll be stealing some of these ideas in your comments for sure.

EliasSZMarch 24, 2023 9:25am

Love the vocal harmonies in the opening line and throughout. There’s something very playful about this song that I could also see you leaning into it further – but I kinda like the dry delvoery of the vocals because, to me, it sorta intensifies the absurdity in a way. Never mad when anyone leans into David Byrne though…

EliasSZMarch 24, 2023 9:22am

Just getting a chance to listen now. The beat drop at :45 took me by surprise in a really lovely way. The contrast in styles between the sweet acoustic sound and the more produced drums.

Also, the ‘a capella’ section is really nice (even if the keys are still there for now).

RyanMarch 14, 2023 11:45am

Elias—I love this. Feels so warm and genuine. Love that it’s not belted. The rhythmic and melodic variations in the vocals are fantastic. Love those little background vocals in the last chorus, too.

The entrance of the a cappella section is so welcome! Lands perfectly. I wonder if the rest of the arrangement re-entering after a line or two would make it stronger.

But in terms of your question—this very much feels like a “real song” to me! I wouldn’t abandon too much of what you’ve got here. The warm, soft delivery and short overall length are paired perfectly with the ambivalence in the lyrics. Could be developed further if you want, but it’s killer as-is, too.

EliasSZMarch 24, 2023 9:19am

Delayed response, but really appreciate the thoughts.

I couldn’t figure out how long the a cappella should last and am definitely curious about playing around with it. And glad to know it feels like a real song – sometimes I find I got lost between the imagined possibilities and what I’ve made and have hard time staying objective about it. Which also, in turn, makes it harder to build on. Will continue thinking on it…

nickMarch 15, 2023 12:14pm

“Pushing on like Sisyphus despite the insignificance” is an excellent line. love this gentler intimate vocal delivery style, and the doubling. works really well. whether it’s this song or another, would love to hear this style laid over a fully fleshed out track with other playful elements. also, kudos to you for powering through a rough week and creating very sweet and fun track.

oh also you get my fav acapella section award for what it’s worth.

EliasSZMarch 24, 2023 9:17am

Supes delayed response, but appreciate the thoughts. I think my unsureness came from having ideas for a fully fleshed out track that I didn’t have the time/ability to put together. Sometimes hard to appreciate the trees when you’ve been imagining a forest, or something hahaha.

Sam PearceMarch 17, 2023 3:17pm

Damn dude. Makes me sad. Beautiful song.

Sam PearceMarch 17, 2023 3:18pm

Also really love the last lines

BenMarch 17, 2023 11:45am

this is sick. it’s a vibe and it belongs on TV and you should get a small royalty check in the mail every month.

I agree with nick and ryan in general about the vinyl sound etc.

There’s def no official or correct way to make things sound old (sometimes the best way to oldify a sound is to have no idea what youre doing and just mess up the sound with “bad” EQing, weird distortion, ugly noise etc), but i think the main culprit that makes it not quite sound authentically antique is that there’s too much variation in qualities.

The talking lyrics literally sound like they were peeled off a tape recorder of some weird underground broadcast from 1970. But the guitar sounds modern, or at best like a pretty hi-fi late David Gilmour strat tone. …Which of course is actually cool: The long lost recovered audio of the voice sits well over the modern guitar, and it’s a like a found footage sound collage piece. Very meditative. But if you’re going for one cohesive piece – like you recovered a vinyl recording of a full piece that already had guitar and vocals, both recorded 50 years ago, together, I’d put them through the exact same plugins/filters. And if you already did that, then… maybe dirty the guitar up even more and put them through even more filters together.

As Ryan said, maybe add some drone (or maybe you can add some dirt and vinyl mechanical noises too to really tie the room together.) Then, like Nick points out, kill the master EQ a bit more. round off the brightness even more than you’ve done. Maybe even throw one more verb on the whole thing just to place every piece in the same room (and decade).

Of course it’s so hard to not go overboard or get cute with this stuff. It’s kind of weird when i can hear the fake vinyl or vhs warp on a song that was produced in the 2020s. Because everyone knows it’s fake, what’s the point, unless it’s being ironic or purposely trying to sound fake or funny?

So I guess my only advice for this part would be: Add the dirt or whatever you do to make it sound old, then cut the mix on those effects by like 40%.

Great work on this. Listened to this a lot so far.

RyanFebruary 26, 2023 10:51pm

Yeahhhh! Haven’t heard a full-band Bergen-banger in a bit! This is fun. I do think the guitar tone could do with some taming in the high-end, but it’s definitely in the right territory. The extra harmonics that come with it are pretty rad. Reeeally love the glock or vibraphone or—actually what is that? This gives me big Broken Social feels and I’m here for it.

KristophMarch 16, 2023 7:55pm

nailed it, vibraphone. thanks!

nickMarch 6, 2023 11:34am

im into the guitar tone. i think im game for your inclination that this could follow something with a little more tension, and act as a sort of release. i think the drums work. whenever i use programmed live drum sounds, i add a thin trebly layer of some snare or cymbal or percussion to kind of coat it in a little natural humanness. just a thought. well done, brother.

KristophMarch 16, 2023 7:54pm

love that idea!

BenFebruary 28, 2023 9:13am

ahh yes, the ick-fueled song pivot. I know that well.

This is great, and honestly, your drummer was kind of nailing it. some early tame impala sounding driving beats that just start suddenly with a pretty huge spacey vocal accompaniment. I also love when they cut to half time around 0:24 (and then they sort of go down another notch at around 0:37). very cool and interesting. then they start cooking again. well done.

My one constructive critique is pretty much what you already described. Yeah, it’s either a few dB too loud, or just too present or too thin? What steps did you take to adjust the sound in postprodution?

Great vibes. Getting a little of those anthemic arcade fire vibes.

Glad NCBC is back and i’m glad youre here.

nickMarch 6, 2023 11:31am

tame impala, interesting. im getting a little more broken social scene.

BenMarch 6, 2023 11:42am

the earlier stuff

nurphgunMarch 7, 2023 9:45pm

It’s giving Wilco to me, too. Love this, @@Kristoph! It’s sparkly, shiny, jingly, jangly, triumphant.

KristophMarch 16, 2023 7:53pm

haha the post production steps were… limited, my mixing knowledge is not my strong suit. y’all are too nice tho

nickMarch 14, 2023 3:00pm

oh this is wonderful. love this gentler version of your voice. really nice warbly guitar. honestly im hooked all the way through 1:06. Wouldn’t mind going right into the acapella section right there, then maybe looping back to the section where the drums originally enter. and totally dig the outro. i dunno, something like that, but i really like this whole thing, great job.

BenMarch 15, 2023 6:47pm

“warbly” is a good description. goes well with the fairly straightforward nonwarbly rhodes. good call not making the rhodes too rhodesy and warbly.

BenMarch 15, 2023 6:46pm

I think most of us here agree that this was one of the most challenging assignments yet. And a lot of the submissions seem to be departures for a lot of us. What a refreshing sound you’ve got here.

It’s chill and soft and gentle and pretty, and just as I was getting used to it and getting settled in for a nice sweet acoustic ride, the beat drops (0:46). Still stays chill af but gets a slight edge and attitude to it. I *love* the kick sound and *really love* the rimshot sample. What a great little song. The tension in the chords, vocals, and bass right at 1:23 are amazing.

Excellent outro, too.

I hope to see this song, or some version of it, in a future swelo release. Job well done.

EliasSZMarch 15, 2023 2:55pm

Another great one!

Arrangement-wise, I think one of the beautiful things happening here is that this is a song about emptiness or loss, from my understanding – and mirroring that with these minimalist, intimate parts works so well. I started wanting a larger, spread out atmosphere being created with other elements in the space/track entering to emphasize the intimacy and smallness of the voice and organ as a unit, if that makes sense. Far panned sounds, or deep low frequencies pulsing, or anything else to help the central part of this tune feel smaller and smaller. That being said, I don’t think the song needs it.

Either way, lovely tune, lovely lyrics, thanks for sharing.

nickMarch 15, 2023 3:53pm

hey really interesting idea about working to kind of put the main duo on a pedestal that’s maybe receding or somehow getting smaller, while remaining the focus. i will definitely be thinking about that.

EliasSZMarch 15, 2023 3:17pm

This was a fascinating journey. I get both the lost vinyl vibes, but to me, I also felt the vibes of like an intro to an album that’s about to get insanely heavy right after this ends. Or as if these lyrics could literally just be a character’s opening monologue to a scene in a movie as this music plays behind it, with shots of b-role, etc.

No individual moments that did or did not work for me as the experience was a contemplative journey I was happy to go on exactly as it existed. I’m not a mixing minded guy, so I’ll let you audiophiles speak more to that side of it.

EliasSZMarch 15, 2023 3:11pm

Seconding Nick, that :59 transition is dynamite. Love the growth to the second half of this track and the chaos/hectic vibes in that breakdown are super excellent/disorienting in all the right ways.

Guitar tone throughout is sick. And the use of vocals in the arrangement feels super strong to me – didn’t immediately sound to me like it was just headphones and macbook speakers (though I guess I also just listened in headphones ¯\_(ツ)_/¯).

EliasSZMarch 15, 2023 3:04pm

Totally hear what you are saying about the difficulty of writing lyrics separate from music – felt very impossible for me, and I even scrapped my first lyrics I wrote when I realized I basically written a melody to write them. Very impressed with your ability to get your lyrics to sound so musical, as if this was always the way you wrote.

In terms of the different sounds, I think things generally sound excellent. Love the synth sounds and vocal processing. Not sure the piano sound at :36 totally works for me, but honestly that only occurred to me on second listen when I was intently listening to see if anything didn’t fit, so I might be overthinking it.

Two other things I really liked: the change at 1:59 is extremely satisfying. Really nice. And the line “I’d be a corner / Just to be a part of the fold” is really strong and stuck with me.

nickMarch 15, 2023 2:26pm

good comments below, and kudos to you for attempting your first multi-track recording! like your last track, you’ve got a great natural strumming ability that fits your chord choices really well. curious which line you borrowed for this one—all of them work together cohesively, so well done there. also just realized @@Sam Pearce is sitting next to you in your pic. hey, sam.

daeclanMarch 13, 2023 10:26pm

notes: really dig the sounds and words–you’ve got a lot of good material here. i love the imagery this sound conjures, a darkened bedroom on a quiet empty night. “somebody calls me to tell me why they’re not a bad friend” oof, that one really resonates man. thanks for sharing this

re: shaping/cutting down – as an exercise, you could cut each lyrical section out and rearrange them into a natural crescendo (based on the audio levels on the file you shared) and then re-analyze the lyric sheet to see if there are sections you can cut or combine with others that feel natural and meaningful. that’s the benefit of having a lot of a good thing, you can tailor it down and fit your vision

nickMarch 15, 2023 2:21pm

well said!

nickMarch 15, 2023 2:14pm

I’m guessing that’s you on guitar? love when you play electric. great use of acapella for the intro, and landing where the drums come in. nice and B52sy. totally interested in hearing it faster like you mentioned. combined with some of ryan’s comments, i think that would do a lot for this one. totally relate with playing with pronouns to change perspective without any prompt.

fun to see how you and @@TylerK took this poem in slightly different directions.

RyanMarch 15, 2023 1:32pm

Damn, this is rad. Feels like it should be over a montage in an episode of Peaky Blinders. That big minor chord is a dream.

Love the mix aim — I think it’s almost there but agree with Nick that there are some giveaways. What reverb did you use on the guitars? Sounds pretty modern to me. I wonder if using a big room verb would’ve helped the “lost vinyl recording from a Buddhist poet’s collective” aspect. Absolutely love the fuzzy vocal shadow.

All the chordal stuff in the guitar is A+ for me. I like a lot of the leads, but some of them sound a little post-rock / midwest emo — that’s not inherently a bad thing, but I don’t think it was your goal, so I figured I’d point that out. I think less sliding would help a lot. I wonder what an acoustic guitar droning one or two arpeggios might bring to the table.

Your dad delivers these lines perfectly. Did you guys write the lyrics together? Picturing myself sitting down and getting this deep with my dad right now and I am actually cracking up. Rad that you guys are able to do that.

nickMarch 15, 2023 12:38pm

appreciate your whole description—great read. and so happy that we now have another dad contribution to ncbc. i think you do a great job building up to the the final question, “And what remains after all that I think I am is gone?” MAYBE it would be cool if the music like, had a little key change either right before that question, or maybe for that final set of three questions? would just love to highlight that moment in the lyrics because i think it deserves it. in regards to the decades-past vibe, i think it’s pretty much there—I would only hop in that master EQ and round off the edges a touch. the current level of hi-fi treble is a bit of a give away.

thanks dad!

RyanMarch 14, 2023 12:53pm

Whoa, okay Nora! This is fun as hell. I would love to hear a version of this with a big full mix on it to hear the extent of the vision you described at the top of your blurb.

Songwriting-wise — chorus is great. Really cool harmonic and rhythmic decisions. Drives home the prevailing feeling of the song the way a chorus should. You already identified what I’m most curious about, which is the verse vocal delivery. I think I want you leaning into the fun even more. Given the slightly sociopolitical lyrics, I think the dry delivery comes off a little wry, whereas tapping into a bit more David Byrne might highlight the absurdity of it all in a way that matches your sound world more. Does that make sense? Some occasional doubles, Ben’s background yelps, some big room verbed-out moments, etc. might also serve it well, but that’s mix stuff.

nurphgunMarch 15, 2023 12:35pm

Yes! Absolutely should’ve taken more of a David Byrne approach. After all, these are NOT his beautiful houses!!!

nickMarch 15, 2023 12:02pm

another banger. really great space you’ve created with all the instrumentation/samples/mixing. totally agree with @@Tengo and @@TylerK— very very cool drum sounds and composition. that raspy flappy kick has so much character while still delivering the goods.

i love distinct isolated percussive elements that repeat every so often as part of the drum composition, so the little brushy drum fill toward the end of every bar is a big win for me. however, it sticks out sonically because it’s so natural sounding, so id experiment with effecting it in some way to be less distracting sonically and even more outstanding in general.

Tiny other thing for me is the little mouth noise poppy clicky moments. maybe zap those puppies out.

@@zoya killin it back there

nickMarch 15, 2023 11:37am

just purchased my feature instrument for $12.99

TengoMarch 14, 2023 8:18pm

this is just so sick.

RyanMarch 14, 2023 8:18pm

Gorgeous performance, man. And an excellent, memorable sheet of lyrics. Congrats on whipping these up, especially given the challenge of the assignment. Excellent way to freshen “rain or shine” with the addition of “or sickness”. Found that particularly touching—evoking the rainy feeling of sickness.

As far as arrangement goes, after three listens, the only thing missing for me is a steadying percussive element. The ethereal organ is beautiful, but the off-kilter rhythms of the vocal were hard to keep up with / digest in real time, so I found myself just a little taken out of an otherwise transportive performance. There wasn’t anything keeping me tied down, moving along effortlessly. It may seem ironic to suggest a percussive element to a piece that floats so well, but I’m choosing to honor that feeling of being taken out of the moment because I think the song deserves to avoid that.

Great work here, man. And I love the live vid inclusion.

nickMarch 14, 2023 3:22pm

this is a real first for ncbc. so well executed and so fun. just ridiculous and awesome. would literally believe this was phish. my only tiny ask would be let the bass shine through 1:51-2:00 without any drums, and then have drums enter with that fill at 2:00. Just a thought. great job dude.

nickMarch 14, 2023 3:16pm

damn, cowboy. huge props indeed. great poem selection—i missed this one, but i absolutely love it. What you mentioned about the challenge of inconsistent syllable amounts is a perfect example of what made this assignment fun for me. you just end up making something you never would have otherwise.

something you could play around with is perhaps a little organ underneath it all, or maybe some piano (or pedal steel if trinity teaches you how to learn very hard things very quickly)—something to pad out the space and add a little sustain to blend with the ride. I really dig the harmonic composition of the acapella section, and would only suggest cutting it in half, and having the organ (or whatever) re-enter in the second half. The guitar sounds are excellent, deep and twangy. I won’t belabor the good points made below about the drums, but i will say, for a slow melancholy drunken rambler song like this, I wouldn’t want the drums to be too tight. Keep on swashbucklin’, buddy. Well done!

RyanMarch 14, 2023 1:26pm

Absolutely adore the songwriting here. Great job hearing a lyric as having potential for a specific genre and GOING for it. If someone told me this was a cover of a classic country song, I would believe it without question. Also, the zoom-out of the lyrics in the last verse, going from a wasted day to a wasted life (“why did it take all my life to begin?”) is seriously incredible. Huge props.

Glad you’re asking for feedback on how to improve the execution, because the song deserves it. Love @@Ben‘s suggestions on getting a more human drum sound. Can I ask what your process was for the drums that are currently in the recording?

@@nick‘s voice is in my head 99% of the time when I’m writing / recording drums. He’s huge on making sure the drums hit before (or at the same time) as every other instrument. Helps tremendously with feel. Ain’t nobody want a draggin’ drummer. So keeping a close eye on this is key. Hits still sneak through the 1% of the time where I don’t hear Nick nagging me, but I’ve gotten a lot better at this over the years. So I do think a large part of what’s keeping this track from feeling good rhythmically is rushing guitars and the lack of presence in the bass (is there bass? sometimes I think there is, other times I think it’s just another guitar) in lockstep with the drums. Too many fills going on, too. The more fills you allow a fake drummer, the harder it is to sell the listener overall. I think a good programmed drum performance is one that’s pretty unnoticeable. Sample-wise, I’ve not yet found anything I like more than Addictive Drums. Just great, great sounds. Often, I’ll layer other one-shot samples I’ve collected on top of them (did that for s=Flood (@ryan) this week) for additional color.

One note on structure: I think the a cappella section should be cut in half. Maybe even a quarter of the length. Halts the song too much as it currently is. The re-entrance of the band works great, though.

Another thing I think about a lot when going for a human feel (or live feel) when recording track by track is trying to get everything to sound like it’s being performed in the same room. Using the same room reverb on different instruments, panning placement (rarely hard-panning, usually just percentages here and there to insinuate position in a room), playing with the blend of close mics and room mics on drums and vocals, etc. I think this is especially helpful with earthy/live-focused genres (like country!). Picture the band equivalent of several people singing around the same mic. So this could go a long way for you.

Really do love this song, Dec. Great work.

TengoMarch 13, 2023 9:45pm

Damn dude, the production sounds so sick on this one! I love all the sounds you’ve chose on this one, and I continue to be so impressed by your ability to just churn out these super cohesive, well produced, well mixed tracks on the reg.

All the keys/synths/strings sound great, and I love to see you featuring keys parts on some songs and letting the guitar take a backseat. The drum sounds are sick! Truly some of the most interesting drum sounds I’ve heard in a while.

The vocal processing on your lead and the bgv all work for me.

tl;dr it’s perfect

TengoMarch 13, 2023 9:42pm

What’s more beautiful, the song or the mustache?

Answer, the song. Though the mustache is a close second.

Truly, this melody is so gorgeous Nick. I think you dialed in the reverb so nicely and the sparse arrangement still sounds so lush. The descending melody toward the end is so perfect, especially on the word “invitayyyytion.”

daeclanMarch 13, 2023 9:41pm

could 200% see trey anatasio flipping his lid and losing his cool to a pink dolphin fantasy. i love the vision, you captured the energy of a summer show and the lyrics are in line w this phish or dead songs i know (in a good way). mix was present and full, nothing stood out as lacking or out of place. maybe a little de•esser on the main vocal for some of the verses, but that could be an audio quality compression. agree w ryan re: 2’s & 4’s we need to have a little talk w this audience.. but solid work and fun interpretation / execution of this idea 🙂

TengoMarch 13, 2023 9:33pm

Man I’m so late to the party but gd this is wonderful! You and your dad sound great together! Can’t wait to hear this live someday #thecricketsarebettterthanthebeatles

BenMarch 13, 2023 9:38am

Memories of hearing him out the window having one of those wayyy overly-polite but definitely very heated exchanges with our landlord asking him to pay for his new fence that was falling down. He kept saying “I’m a good neighbor! No, you don’t really know me that well yet. I’M A GOOD GUY. I’M A GOOD NEIGHBOR! I just think it might be the right thing if we split it. I’m really a good neighbor!”

*Narrator: “He wasn’t.”

This is somehow one of my favorite things you’ve written. Whenever you’re ready for me to give it the random-insane-background-singer-in-frank-zappa’s-1980s-era-band treatment with some high energy background rock and roll screaming vox, you know where to find me.

BenMarch 13, 2023 9:50am

one of those situations where hey we’re moving anyways in a few months. it’s probably better to just get out of the way let godzilla and king kong fight it out

BenMarch 13, 2023 3:49pm

i was picturing vocals like the crazy guy in this vid (bobby martin)

Sam PearceMarch 13, 2023 1:27pm

Love the addition of the second guitar track at “I’m sad again”. And the electric guitar at “somebody”. Thought I noticed additional tracks in my car but now I can hear it clearly in headphones. If you’re trying to cut it down, I still like the idea of ending on the words “But they still have the nerve to ask for their polaroids”, but maybe sing it four times instead of two. I think that line is strong enough to support more repetitions; or put more simply I wanted to hear it a couple more times. That bass break is nice has a similar effect to an a cappella break. This rocks! Might be my favorite of yours I’ve heard so far.

RyanMarch 13, 2023 1:12pm

And we mean FEATURE it.

RyanMarch 13, 2023 1:07pm

I don’t remember the last time I had such shit-eating grin on my face listening to a recording for the first time. The screaming organ in the big sections aaaahahaha. The honkin’ piano. The dualing guitar solos. And of course the crowd noise—”instant Phish”. Goofy and playful as this is, you still ended up writing a banger of a chorus. It’s so good. Honestly a hell of a verse, too! Your dad’s live Rolling Stones DVD’s finally paying dividends. You’re a melody wizard, Harry.

Okay, mix stuff. Works for me. It’s bright and hot, but I dig it—that’s par for jam town, sugar. I’d bump the verse vocals up a fair bit and throw a slapback delay on there. Great bass entrance after the breakdown—that tone is killer. Guitar solo tones can easily be annoying but these are not. Good job with that. Bashful verse vocal is the only real mix miss, for me.

But also: HOW did the audience not starting clapping on the 2 and the 4 during the a cappella breakdown section?! Not a mix note, just a little disappointed in the crowd for not participating in a more specific way.

BenMarch 13, 2023 12:34pm

WOW i didnt know you had this in you. This is amazing.

The drums. Theyre tricky. And I don’t know the answer. The actual samples are pretty good and your arrangement is great, just maybe could use a few adjustments for humanization.

But, a few thoughts about cleaning and arranging and humanizing.

Thought 1: maybe dont repeat the same fills so often. Change them up. Have some fun and remove or mute a few notes in your list or piano roll, move them around, use various different tomtom samples for fills

Thought 2: adjust the volumes, sustains, and positioning (ever so slightly) on your drum notes.

Thought 3: experiment with panning each drum/cymbal slightly.

Thought 4: dirty them up a little. some minor minor distortion or weird EQing can sometimes make it sound more real.

Thought 5: and this might be the most important, and the toughest: the swing. Around 0:29-0:38 you can hear a little disconnect between the swing of the ride/snare and the swing of the guitar. theres a little bit of not lining up. they both seem swung but at different intensities and style i think?

Thought 6: do the other instruments sit in the pocket? they sit pretty well at most parts, but sometimes various instruments sit ahead or behind the drums. Nick commented that about mine last week. It’s always important (and fun) to close listen to your song and scan for times that things aren’t sitting right. Even if they’re technically perfectly aligned, sometimes the difference between human sounding and robot sounding playing is a tenth of a second of nudging. @@ryan has consistently been creating extremely human sounding drums that really feel like humans are playing them, or at least don’t stick out from the mix. I think he’d have good advice on writing drums, simplifying them, mixing them, and making them sound warm and good.@@nick can also weigh in on Thought 5 and 6 because he is good with this type of thing. @@bop_guncan also speak to pockets and to swung vs straight (and to swung vs what i call “robotic swung”).

This is awesome and i totally was not expecting to listen to this song. Sounds like something from Twelve Golden Country Greats. Your voice is perfect for this and your playing and songwriting was pretty delightful. Hope this isn’t the last we hear of your country tones.

agasthyaMarch 13, 2023 10:42am

obsessed with this. youve got a great sense for bass lines. I’m reading White Noise by Don Delillo (before I watch the Adam Driver movie on Netflix) AND watching last of us, so lyrical content is hitting. piano section is great. love how frantic it gets – especially in contrast with the first few seconds of the track. you captured the energy of speeding away from the apocalypse (but maybe in a universe where the apocalypse is a dark comedy).

first listen was on my macbook speakers as well so it came through well. I’ll bump it in the car later when Miles and I go on a coffee run and see if anything jumps out.

BenMarch 13, 2023 10:46am

thank you thank you! yeah, i think there will be moments in the apocalypse that will definitely be darkly funny, at least sometimes.

TylerKMarch 13, 2023 10:34am

Love the outside kick mic sound on the drums. Been getting super into this sound lately after shying away from it for years. What was I thinking! You also knew I’d like that pulsing synth cmon. Great hi hat sound too. You don’t miss!

Was expecting this to be a breeze for you bc of your background in being well read, but refreshing to know that you felt a similar disconnect that I do between poetry and song lyrics. I feel like I can usually tell when lyrics were written first for a song (Disintegration by The Cure) and I resist that. I don’t know why. It’s not the way I do things, so it’s gotta be wrong. “It doesn’t work that way with songs” hits hard. I had a difficult time but when I ended up embracing “I am fine with this not turning out perfect” is when it turned around for me.

Maybe poems gotta make their own music and whatever we try to musically impose over it will always feel at odds with each other. Write that down.

agasthyaMarch 13, 2023 9:59am

I think the arrangement is great as is – it’s short enough that it doesn’t need anything else. sounds like the melancholy reprise of a big musical number at the end of act 1 of a broadway play. really like “…son in a crash/…driving past”.

BenMarch 13, 2023 9:18am

I’m sure I’ll be saying this type of thing a lot as I leave comments on these submissions, but your worksmanship on the lyrics really struck me: I love that I can definitely hear the active “fitting” of your lyrics into your music, but it also sounds right that way. Works really well. The borrowed line and the line directly before it are perfect examples: The flow is obviously unusual, the syllables are delivered in weird polyrhythms and syncopations with the drums (you’ll also really hear that in the chorus of Nora’s song.

All the unusual non-traditional-songy ways of building your song not only sound great, but they even kind of sound like a style that I’ve been hearing emerging over the past several years. I can’t quite put my finger on what artists and songs are good examples, but your song struck me as not really sounding jarring or surprising.

A couple stray examples of lyric-squeezing that I’ve come to love after the ~3rd listen: The “If you wanna talk about it” tacked to the end of a line in Cadmium. Also, the delivery of “I think his lung’s fucked up” in “Mister, Would You Please Help My Pony?” by Ween gets me every time. It so doesn’t fit but I’m so glad they forced it in.

I also like that you’ve got 2 types of retrofitting of the lyrics:

1. Write fewer syllables into a bar than there are beats – stretching and spacing them out, maybe polyrhythmically.

2. More words into a bar (“…7 words and 4 beats walk into a bar. bartender says hello, this is crazy, but welcome to ryan’s song”) than there are beats – squeezing them, grouping them together, borrowing beat credit from the previous or next bar’s beat bank and paying it back with interest.

“Letting the bigger hand-hold take hold” puts you over your beat credit limit but the space in the two lines that sandwich it give it plenty of room to fit.

The third time of rhthmically retrofitting i think is just continuing the phrase in the next bar (and the next line of paper), as I’ve done several times in mine.

Also in general, less related to the rules of this assignment, I just really really like it when songs stay at pretty much one solid energy all the way thru. No need for an epic build here. We’re just dropping into this vibe that you created, that might have started hours before I hit play, and might continue sort of just chugging and vibing for hours more. That was a huge reason why Jose Gonzalez/Junip hit me so hard the first time i listened to them.

trumpeteer123September 15, 2020 4:57am

which daw did you use to do this in? did you notate it or just tweak it til you were good w it? i am always interested to know peoples processes. the pizz strings are a nice touch and good counterpoint!!

nickMarch 10, 2023 12:45pm

Logic! i had been fooling around with this line for years on guitar and piano, and this felt like a good application for it. pretty much played the whole thing with “musical typing”/entering in midi notes. Don’t know how to notate! also hello 3 years later.

trumpeteer123March 11, 2023 1:48pm

oh hello 3 years later what a surprise! surprised also (in a good way) that you even remember the process at all after this wild time passing!

nickMarch 13, 2023 8:42am

Like it was yesterday

agasthyaMarch 12, 2023 9:32pm

oops. i forgot to take out the keys in the last verse (stanza?) so no acapella moment 😳.

also lead vocal at 1:06 is way too loud

juliapikerFebruary 28, 2023 7:52pm

oooo :58 i really like this pre-chorus. This is really cool! also 1:51 vocal the word “alone” gives me Billy Corgan vibes. I really like your songwriting a lot it’s super vibrant and moves in fun and interesting directions. Love the percissive breakdown at the end as well. I’m definitely not feeling like i miss any keys, i really don’t think your track needs em! I agree with back half of Sam’s comment! xo!

nickMarch 8, 2023 12:16pm

vibrant is the right word

BenMarch 8, 2023 1:44pm

Thanks for the Billy Corgan comment. No joke, I was trying to channel T.S.P. for a lot of the vibes in this. The fizzy little electro beat that sits above the regular drums is 100% inspired by “1979.”

BenMarch 12, 2023 9:25pm

Also found myself thinking about the song “Assessment” by The Beta Band while i was making the outro jam.

nickMarch 8, 2023 12:21pm

towing the line of familiar/accessible and unique/surprising is something you always deliver on. not only is the pre-chorus, as julia referred to, a sick composition, but damn that low bass note is stinky. very evving cool. and yeah baby screeeam. go where you have to go to free yourself of imaginary neighbors and the ghost of andre. love hearing those decibels out of you. vocal mix never bothers me. some guitars get a little pokey but that’s for the *professionals* to figure out. iiiii will say, especially with the “perfect” electronic drum rhythms, would appreciate nudging the guitar jun-jun-juns back behind the drums. yes plz yum and thank you. well done.

BenMarch 12, 2023 9:23pm

classic advice.

the kids on a hill ep guitar+drums berkshires macbook treatment

nurphgunMarch 7, 2023 10:33pm

Love it Beni. I hear all the references others have called out, and I will add that the ending reminds me of “Voodoo Lady,” but much more chill. I am also hearing The Diamond Sea by Sonic Youth.

We’ve talked about this: I often prefer a shorter song, and if this were on an album, I might split it into two tracks, with the end and beginning of each stopping abruptly (think Yoshimi or Dark Side of the Moon). Or it could be one track with one of those pretentious “[XYZ]/[XYZ]” titles. For me, superficial stuff like that sometimes makes things more accessible.

💚

BenMarch 12, 2023 9:21pm

💗

nickMarch 6, 2023 10:10am

Already hit that point where I would have adjusted the lyrics/arrangement because I’m not sure how to support them musically… but it’s nice to know reworking the music is the only option. As @@nurphgun would say #parameterswillsetyoufree. How’s it going @@agasthya?

agasthyaMarch 6, 2023 10:55am

same! I’ve got a bunch of words that *look* nice, now I’m trying to edit by feeling the rhythm of the words themselves to set myself up for the music part. definitely hard to ignore any little melodies that come to mind. I suspect that I’m going to make some lyrical/syllable adjustments once I start writing music.

nickMarch 6, 2023 11:18am

right, finding the natural rhythm of the words is the way to go… definitely have to avoid loyalty to those knee-jerk melodies. I’m doing my absolute best to keep my sheet untouched, but it is a struggle.

RyanMarch 6, 2023 11:35am

This assignment has been fascinating. My lifelong obsession with the difference between writing lyrics and poetry has been fully rekindled. I’m leaving my sheet untouched just for the sake of sticking to the parameter—it’s certainly revealed some oddball rhythms.

agasthyaMarch 8, 2023 11:13am

ok in music writing mode now and OOF dis is hard to do. love it!

BenMarch 12, 2023 7:07pm

lyrics are so hard. poetry is hard.

i definitely have a bunch of lines that

are sung like this.

i finish singing some of the phrases in the

next “line” of the lyr-

ics

nickMarch 9, 2023 10:12am

look, gonna make a slightly more critical comment, largely because of the potential i see in this song. i think you create an incredibly intriguing space and attitude with the intro, beat drop, first verse, but i think the current chorus takes it in too cheery/poppy/cute of a direction. i would love to hear a rework where that section is omitted and the “shoes off/woohaaa” section repeats as the chorus (because it’s tiiight,) and just keep this song swampy shadowy cool. one man’s opinion, curious what others think @@peter @@daeclan @@nurphgun @@Ben @@juliapiker @@ryan

agasthyaMarch 9, 2023 3:07pm

oooo yess this is what NCBC is for. i wanna hear what other people think about this too. thanks nick!!

juliapikerMarch 9, 2023 6:59pm

you know what? I actually don’t disagree. You do kind of lose me a little at the chorus melody but I’m so fucking hooked by the rest of it it’s an easy fix if you decide to.

If we are calling :47 your pre chorus. Kill the break/pause that adds that extra beat at :56 and go directly into “I DON’T REALLY KNOW NOBODYYY, I DONT REALLY KNOW NOBODYYY”. But with more idk… thickness than the way you’re doing it at 1:18

i wish we could leave voice memos @@ryan @@nick

RyanMarch 12, 2023 5:28pm

Yeah y’know, I agree it gets too sunny. But I wouldn’t axe it quite yet. When the “doot-doot-doot-doot” rejoins in the back half, the mood makes more sense. What if you added more of that and let it hit right away? I think drop the high-octave on the vocal, too. Let the “am I a creepy outsider in this new town” energy into the chorus—it can still be hooky!

juliapikerMarch 9, 2023 6:50pm

Vibe vibe vibe vibe groove groove groove i’ve listened to this one a bunch of times I want to rob a bank to this. A slow group walk into a bank and we cock the gun :27 directly at some lady screaming for her life. Move the revolver at the man behind the counter at :33 hes slow motion looking for the keys to the safe (whats behind the counter at a bank?idk)- he runs to the back room where i’m assuming theres a fuckload of tightly packed cash. At around 1:16 I WISH I HEARD THIS TRACK UNWRAVEL. I want it to grow and listen maybe thats just me, and maybe I want to much and give too little but I just hear a weird bridge that crawls out of its shell and maybe a tenor sax bends into a weird crash heavy rhythm section and we go crazy gunsablazing. Everyone is screaming and runs out of the bank for their lives and i’m slow motion staring at this pile of cash as me and my friends pour the cash into bags. Idk i really can’t grow this story any more without hearing this section in my head in real life.

does that make sense?

(btw i fucking looooooooove it)

nickMarch 10, 2023 10:37am

took the words out of my mouth. but yeah, totally want something new to happen at 1:16… dirty sax bend may be just right.

TengoMarch 8, 2023 11:29pm

Lizzie this is gorgeous! It’s really beautiful and does sound like it comes from the British Isles, so you absolutely nailed that part of the assignment. Your voice is so emotive and sits so beautifully on top of the drone. I really loved listening to it. It gives me a similar very compelling bittersweet feeling I get from Auld Lang Syne. Keep doing what you are doing. If this is your first song, I can’t wait to hear what you do next!

lizzieMarch 9, 2023 9:41pm

mateus! thank you! such a testament to how when we settle our mind on an intention, so many fragmented aspects of the outcome seem so unintentional. i wasn’t consciously choosing the sound of great britain, but of course there it is. i’m so glad it came through and that you enjoyed it. love the note about auld lang syne – such a huge compliment! xoxo

nurphgunMarch 7, 2023 9:21pm

Your voice is amazing, and this who thing feels like a welcome sunrise. “good morning/good morning life unlived” 🌅 yes

lizzieMarch 9, 2023 9:35pm

thank you so much (‘:

nickMarch 6, 2023 11:24am

hey you’ve got a real knack for this! love how you wrote about the experience singing over the drone. this performance feels very natural. your pacing is extremely compelling. the singing feels very reactive and unencumbered—grown rather than made. well done.

lizzieMarch 9, 2023 9:35pm

i’m just so thrilled to be here! this has been so heartwarming. really appreciate the perception of “grown rather than made”. thank you for the pointed feedback – learning more and more each day, xo

BenFebruary 28, 2023 9:45am

We’ve had this one on around the house for a couple days now.

I think I knew what braai on a skottel was before i even googled it.

So, trashy, yes; hurt, no.

Man, I have fun listening to your grimier stuff. Lots of dirt. A city of dirt. For one of the more tonally clean songsters in the game IMO, it’s always such a treat when you put something out that’s trashy, gritty, glitchy, creepy, twisted. It’s almost refreshing. The more your drums sound like they were recorded on a macbook mic, the more i will probably like the song.

I will say though, the reason why I like this type of your stuff is because it’s tight and it has a vision and the song and story are compelling. The lo-fi is an instrument. Sometimes I get lost with lo-fi production, but this essentially plays as a pop song to me. Just about spiders and meat.

Curious what you did with the vocals, and also how you recorded the drums. Sounds kind of like brushes and a zoom mic?

Good work. I “Dig” it. This type of song is “Strange no more” to me. Sure you might be carrying some “Baggage” about the harsh drums, but it doesn’t “Matter.” “No yeah,” it doesn’t.

nickMarch 9, 2023 8:27am

well this is just an honor. thank u dear friend.

background vocals through the Logic pedalboard’s spinbox. dont remember what i did for the lead, but there is a double in there. drums were recorded with the macbook microphone out in the barn at 0 degrees with yes, those thick nylon brushes. maybe one take with sticks too.

agasthyaMarch 9, 2023 9:33am

😮 stealing the spinbox on vocals idea!

nickMarch 9, 2023 9:54am

i stole it from Yes

BenMarch 9, 2023 10:09am

love the spinbox effect. use on voice way too often. very yes, very beatles.

grateful dead might go a little overboard with the leslie roto on vocals, guitar, organ on tracks on aoxomoxoa

juliapikerMarch 9, 2023 6:43pm

i do NOT need another excuse to listen to Yes

nurphgunMarch 1, 2023 2:21pm

This is really catchy and tasteful. I like the little “aiii”s. Love the Afrikaans; it’s fun when lyrics sound like English enough that, as a listener, you assume you just aren’t quite understanding the singer.

nickMarch 9, 2023 8:30am

thanks nora! those “aiiis” are actually “braiiis”. just yelping about grilling.

juliapikerMarch 9, 2023 6:43pm

grilling on the barbie

atalinkayFebruary 27, 2023 11:21pm

Captivated by your spell

juliapikerMarch 9, 2023 6:42pm

<3

Sam PearceMarch 1, 2023 6:08pm

Hey Julia! I’ve listened several times now…the music sounds expansive. I hadn’t seen the location till now, and I think it evokes Joshua Tree convincingly (from what I’ve seen in pictures). I really like the way the parts interact: the relentless almost brutal nature of that low part that comes in at -1.34 underneath the feeling of freedom in the vocals and high strings (I don’t know whether its violin or viola or both). And that dark-toned ostinato in 6 binds them together somehow. I also like how I can’t really tell whether the very first vocals are verbal or not, like I might be listening to a language I don’t recognize. In my opinion, this has the depth to become a much longer piece, if you were interested in expanding it.

juliapikerMarch 9, 2023 6:42pm

Thanks Sam!!

TylerKMarch 2, 2023 3:58pm

Love the flutters that come in at 1:58, panned perfectly where your attention is brought left but the vibe/verb is felt on the right, feels like how a pro boxer might pan this sound. EAR CANDY. The wind is another layer. I saw that the guy from Disclosure sometimes puts street noise under a lot of his tracks to transport the listener into a chosen location. The wind audio brought me to where this song was for sure. I think the dissonance adds good tension to the eventual dive. Your voice is huge. Great lyrics, performance and mix on this.

juliapikerMarch 9, 2023 6:42pm

Thanks Tyler !!

nurphgunMarch 7, 2023 9:37pm

So stunning Julia. The background vocal line that comes in at 0:55 is the moment I really perked up listening to this, and the bass coming in at 1:45 – so delicious. This could have been gorgeous purely as a swirly, layered vocal situation, but the percussive elements keep it from being too indulgent in that way. And as always your production is like a drink of water in the desert (no offense to the other chefs lmao).

juliapikerMarch 9, 2023 6:41pm

nora!! so so kind. I had a lot of fun at this one, i may try and lengthen !

gosh thanks for the note about the production, I learn every day!

nickMarch 2, 2023 11:44am

Thank you for giving me a description of a viola besides “a little bit bigger.” We’ve been on a Caroline Polachek kick over here, and well you’re giving her a run for her money. Did you… play the viola? or is that ian.

juliapikerMarch 9, 2023 6:40pm

i played the viola and Ian made steaks on the barbie

TengoMarch 9, 2023 12:01am

Julia, you are just world class. This is, in a word, exquisite. I love the way you’ve managed to unite the vocal processing with your vocal itself so they are in total harmony and achieve a perfect mix. It’s such a testament to how freakin’ good you are at all the things 🙂

Can I ask what reverb/delay you are using that make those beautiful vocal moments where the melody peaks?

juliapikerMarch 9, 2023 6:39pm

hi!!! I’m using Valhalla vintage! I use it on everything.

Also this is a VERY VERY kind message <3 thank you so much for the sweet words.

nickMarch 8, 2023 12:27pm

1:12 hellllloooo. delightful. agree with @@ryanabout maybe some perc being cool. in regards to the arrangement, yeah maybe a few things here and there, but i think the guitar arrangement is excellent as is. not sure if those pops and clicks are in the actual wav files, but if possible, hop back and throw in some cross dissolves. that would be nice. otherwise, sick song. love the whole outro, did not see it coming, and was pleasantly surprised.

not sure if anyone mentioned, but you should put your lyrics in the song description if you’re up for it.

EliasSZMarch 9, 2023 10:22am

Appreciate it Nick! Wanted to go through and try to catch more of the things but in a late night accident I accidentally flattened and merged everything at a point I didn’t realize so decided to let it be lol… I’m not always great at the DAW work lol. Oh! And yeah, I’ll start adding lyrics. Good thought, thanks!

lizzieFebruary 27, 2023 5:19pm

this is so great. amazing that each part and the mix sounds so good in just a day’s work. it sounds fantastic from my laptop speakers, more mud to you!

agasthyaMarch 9, 2023 9:41am

thanks lizzie!

ZFebruary 27, 2023 5:45pm

Bust a few rhymes like “woo-ha” -Knack for coming in strong!

The octave-upped vox on the chorus really helps that standout.

Way to write something in a day after scrapping something that wasn’t working.

I think it’s cool that we’ve had all these quasi-love-lettters to various, specific locations, this is such a unique take on the prompt, I really like that.

I love the franticness of it. Sometimes it borders on claustrophobic or maybe too dense for me to feel inside the song, I wonder what it’d be like to cut the shaker here, the organ there, I think a little more space could let the song breathe better.

love the post chorus “I don’t really know nobody”

Mix doesn’t sound muddy to me.

Overall it is a real muscular beast, love it!

agasthyaMarch 9, 2023 9:41am

thanks! Yeah I kept going back and forth between wanting a sort of wall of sound and wanting to give the listener a chance to breathe, cutting shakers is always a nice subtle way to make space.

atalinkayFebruary 27, 2023 11:44pm

Riding to this with the windows down all the way, don’t care if it’s winter

agasthyaMarch 9, 2023 9:39am

🚗

nurphgunMarch 8, 2023 12:42pm

No notes, just so good. How do you do it?! The little baby voice, the low voice, the doot doots.

agasthyaMarch 9, 2023 9:39am

thanks nora!!

nickMarch 8, 2023 1:20pm

oh damn kick bass right off the bat is tight. woah this song is brash. is that live bass? and lol, same, always mixing with headphones. i would ditch the breaths before “i got a knack” and others, i dont wanna know you’re human.

agasthyaMarch 9, 2023 9:38am

it’s actually live guitar pitched an octave down since I was too lazy to go get the bass and plug it in haha. good idea with the breaths, i think it will add to the overall brashness

TengoMarch 8, 2023 11:11pm

WOW. This absolutely slaps. You’ve got such a great songwriting instinct and the way you vary vocal delivery and vocal processing is so dynamic. Super cool stuff!

I dug the mix! The only small notes I have is that on my end, some of the kick and/or the open high hats sounded a little too distorted, and I think the “ooohs” could be even more wet with delay and verb.

Just a truly sweet track. Well done!

agasthyaMarch 9, 2023 9:35am

thanks!!

agasthyaFebruary 26, 2023 10:05pm

getting some experimental Beatles vibes. this is super fun and the drums are just the right amount of trashy.

nickMarch 9, 2023 8:16am

🍓🤘

BenMarch 9, 2023 9:20am

wow good point Agasthya, it does kind of have those strawberry fields (or i am the walrus, flying, bluejay way) overdriven drum fills.

fun fact, Ringo actually recorded the drums to magical mystery tour using only his macbook builtin mic in a leaky barn in liverpool.

agasthyaMarch 9, 2023 9:34am

you know I think I’ve heard that before, if you listen closely you can hear the hum of the laptop fan

EliasSZFebruary 27, 2023 2:26pm

Love the vocal processing on this. Drums def not too trashy at all – total vibe. Loving the tambourine sound. Also getting experimental Beatles out of this. The speed of the “bet she wish she was” is a super nice contrast.

nickMarch 9, 2023 8:20am

i can’t stop throwing background vocals through a spin box

BenMarch 9, 2023 9:12am

yeah i love the two different rhythms of the Bet She Wish She Was’s.

RyanMarch 8, 2023 3:55pm

hey man what is your spider?

nickMarch 8, 2023 5:34pm

thank god you asked. this song is about my spider plant, which has origins in South Africa.

BenMarch 9, 2023 9:10am

ohh

atalinkayFebruary 27, 2023 11:24pm

This makes me feel like I’m being followed by someone/something I didn’t know I wanted to be followed by (but turns out I do) weird and vibey yes!

nurphgunMarch 1, 2023 2:13pm

great way to put it lol

nickMarch 9, 2023 8:23am

sounds like freshman year

lizzieFebruary 27, 2023 4:39pm

drums are the perfect amount of trashy. and sexy. hot little garbage spidey.

nickMarch 9, 2023 8:22am

🕷🌱😚

ZFebruary 27, 2023 4:00pm

Fever dream! Drums and entire thing sounds great, wouldn’t change a thing.

Man, love it when a song is so cryptic, but so familiar – it moves this piece from being just “spooky” to straight up uncanny.

Smoking these meats in South Africa(?) with my arachnid lover

Take me back!

nickMarch 9, 2023 8:21am

thank u brother. probably somewhere in the description should have mentioned that this is about a spider plant, but really didn’t want to screw with people’s first impressions

alechutsonFebruary 27, 2023 12:48pm

Classic nick pope sounds 👌 your drumming is super tasteful and creative as per usual – I definitely don’t mind the trashiness

nickMarch 9, 2023 8:19am

thanks mr h

Sam PearceFebruary 26, 2023 9:49pm

Nah the drums are great. I like how spooky this is. Reminded me of the spookiness from the “What Good Luck” days.

nurphgunFebruary 28, 2023 10:01am

“What Good Luck” stans to the front!

nickMarch 9, 2023 8:16am

my people

atalinkayFebruary 27, 2023 11:33pm

I feel like this is playing as a crew of humans are being launched into space on a mission. They’re trying to be chill, stakes are high, everything ends up being ok.

nickMarch 8, 2023 11:43am

for now

TengoMarch 9, 2023 12:07am

i do love any movies about space, so you honor me with this association. let’s hope our crew makes it back home safe in this movie

TengoMarch 9, 2023 12:06am

This is super cool! Really appreciate the spacious moments when it’s just your voice and the drums.

Ableton is the best. As someone who was once a beginner and has now finally figured out why it’s the best, all I gotta say is stick with it!

Well done!

juliapikerFebruary 27, 2023 8:27pm

I like that shoegazeyness in the drone tone. Only wish it were even longer! I feel like all your synth sounds are sitting pretty equally across the board! love u mattyice

TengoMarch 9, 2023 12:03am

love you back! thanks for the kind words

EliasSZFebruary 27, 2023 7:49pm

Cinematic as can be. Would love to hear this explode into a full on movie theme right where this ends. Feels like it could be the intro of something big. 

TengoMarch 8, 2023 11:55pm

thanks, Elias!

TengoMarch 8, 2023 11:53pm

Elias, we haven’t had the pleasure of meeting, but I’m so grateful that my ears have had the pleasure of meeting your guitar playing. Truly stunning stuff with so much to appreciate!

A few quick thoughts regarding arrangement: I really love the group vocals that come in toward the end. They introduce a real magic that I think could perhaps appear somewhere earlier in the track. I also think that your lead vocal could be processed in a slightly different way that makes it feel more intimate, if that makes sense? I am a huge fan of room tone and processed lead vox, but maybe there’s some different processing to help us connect with your voice as much as we do with your guitar.

Beautifully done!

ZFebruary 27, 2023 4:48pm

I appreciate the context of the Korg ground rules – I wish decades of other artists had had the same discipline.

Its nice to have a pulse without the global quantizing of a metronome, it’s something that feels much better.

Patago-go-gadget fuck yeah.

TengoMarch 8, 2023 11:45pm

thanks Z! here’s to keys and synth players exercising restraint

TengoMarch 8, 2023 11:40pm

Duuuuuuuuuude. DuuuuuUUUUUUuuuuude. I mean, come on.

So much to love about this.

First off, you swept me off my feet with that drop! Ugh, the drums just sound great. They’re fat and they’ve got that 90s production edge on them that just grooves hard and fills out a big room, which this track deserves.

The chorus is catchy and the guitar parts on it are a perfect pairing with the melody.

Finally, your vocals throughout are wonderful. in particular, I liked the direction you took it in the first stanza of Verse 2. There’s this purity and clarity in your tone in those lines that I just love and want to hear more of.

lizzieFebruary 27, 2023 4:47pm

it’s the musical expression of how such intense heat can distort the image of the sky and make it look like it’s wavering. i love how you wanted to challenge yourself. such a great job.

TengoMarch 8, 2023 11:31pm

Ah I love that image! thank you

froebusinessFebruary 27, 2023 1:24pm

Really love the tones you got here.

TengoMarch 8, 2023 11:21pm

thank you!

TengoMarch 8, 2023 11:20pm

Nigel, excellent work as usual! This reminds me of how fun it can be to listen to punk rock stripped down to an acoustic guitar and a good vocal. Plus, I’ll take those breakdown harmonies and the extra juicy “wondahhh, hungahhh, thundaaah” anytime anywhere. Super fun track, well done!

agasthyaFebruary 26, 2023 10:15pm

very cinematic! riding a motorcycle through the desert into the sunrise

TengoMarch 8, 2023 11:14pm

appreciate that!

daeclanFebruary 26, 2023 8:25pm

cinematic vibes. blade runner but like set in argentina. wish i could help w synth stuff but its pretty engaging as is great work : )

RyanFebruary 26, 2023 9:41pm

Blade Runner set in Argentina is dead-ass accurate.

TengoMarch 8, 2023 11:05pm

Thank you! looove the Blade Runner soundtrack so I’m glad you made that connection

TengoMarch 8, 2023 11:03pm

oh heck yeah! give me that drum groove all day. i’m diggin it

nickMarch 8, 2023 12:06pm

my guy, this chorus is absolute butter. no second thoughts from me, just second listens ayye. but seriously, this is like top three all time ryan choruses for a sucker like me. dont care dont know about kick samples. banjitar is a big win between these ears of mine. musical composition is prime. for the line “that i knew once before”, i would skip the little tudey bend into “once.” just keep that chit straight as your whiskey. i do not dislike the talkyness, but for some reason im giving the verse vocals like an 86. certainly like the lyrics. would be interested to hear a singier version where the only “talked” line was “was told i couldnt sing”. wait is that stupid maybe i dont know who the hell am i. incredible submissh.

oh and for that stiff-kneed Mr. Barfchin, he can choke on his own tongue

RyanMarch 8, 2023 2:33pm

Wow, top 3 chorus in your book, huh? You might say this is a huge day for me.

Yeah the verse vocals are Grade B, you’re right! I think the whole song would ideally be bumped up a half-step or two so that the verse vocals are in my sweet spot, and then the delivery would be better. Was a tricky one both range and rhythm-wise.

nurphgunMarch 7, 2023 10:18pm

Love this so much Ryan. Cool to hear you singing in a different style, the lyrics & melody are held back, controlled, intentional, well chosen. It moves along nicely, has great motion. I feel like you usually achieve that effect with soaring guitars and soaring vocals, but you managed to achieve it here with very different instrumentation & vocal delivery, bravo.

“Was told to stick to my day job/six years before I had one” is a graduating-into-a-recession-in-2012 vibe.

RyanMarch 8, 2023 2:31pm

I was told to stick to my day job when I was 18 and heading INTO college by a DIFFERENT friend’s dad (shout out suburban Massachusetts and its ability to produce kind-hearted fathers). Couldn’t believe it. One of the funniest things I’ve ever heard.

Glad you dig the song. I always appreciate your observations.

atalinkayFebruary 27, 2023 11:36pm

This is splendid listening! Perfectly complete if you ask me.

RyanMarch 8, 2023 2:30pm

Thank you!

juliapikerFebruary 27, 2023 8:32pm

This is a great song. Super super easy to listen to and I don’t even know if i’d call this a talky vocal but it is a range I don’t normally feel like I hear you sing in?? I like it and it also gives room for you to maybe sing an octave up in a little head voice and double it. I hear another bridge as well. Obviously instrumentation is phenom. The mix is a little dirty but not too thick. Pretty mid thick. I often feel that my ears are itching for brightness and ear blowing low end- this feels relaxing to listen to. Very nice work.

RyanMarch 8, 2023 2:30pm

Oo! Can you say more about what you hear for another bridge? I swear the chords made more sense before I added that uneccessary slide solo lol.

EliasSZFebruary 27, 2023 7:52pm

Your talky voice is great. So are your other voices, but this works very well for this tune. “This is where I leave you in the only way I can” is such an excellent line. I feel like the chorus lyrics are almost right but could be tweaked slightly to reach total perfection – they’re definitely good as they are but I wonder how some small changes to them, maybe even just a change for the second time you hit the chorus could help really land the song.

RyanMarch 8, 2023 2:29pm

Funny you should say that — originally I had two completely different sets of lyrics for chorus 1 and chorus 2, partly to aid the fact that verse 1 and verse 2 take place in 2 different locations. But the song ended up feeling so dang SONGY that I was like, y’know, let’s let the chorus be a chorus. I agree with you that the lyrics still need just a few small changes, though.

lizzieFebruary 27, 2023 4:53pm

you sound so great in a talksing!. it feels like the cresting of an emotion that’s been knocking at your door for a while. you’re familiar with it so it’s more like opening the door for it rather than it flooding the gates. “it’s not because i love you, it’s not because i don’t” is lyrical perfection. love the twang. this is gorgeous.

RyanMarch 8, 2023 2:28pm

Thanks, Lizzo! That line was one I was happiest with myself!

TengoFebruary 27, 2023 2:42pm

Oh my sweet sweet Ry. What a sweet sweet tune! Sounds like a deep cut off “Wildflowers” and you know it don’t get no better than that for me. So excellent dude. TP and MC would be proud.

Talky vocal works super well. Do it more!

Kick don’t bother me a bit. Ask Robin.

Slide and banjitar are woven in so well.

It all feels good!

RyanMarch 8, 2023 2:27pm

All-time compliment. Tattooing this on my frontal lobe.

froebusinessFebruary 27, 2023 1:39pm

Really sultry stuff here, Kershaw. I like the tone and panning on the guitar a lot (or is that two tracks?). That intro harmonic is so simple but so effective. All those ornamental choices add a nice, subtle complexity to the track. “This is where I leave you” is such a strong opening chorus line lyrically too, really opens up the emotion while the tune opens up with it. Mr. Bartlet can kick rocks! Great story.

BenFebruary 27, 2023 3:22pm

agree about the “This is where i leave you”

RyanMarch 8, 2023 2:27pm

Heck yeah, thanks Joe. Was worried about that line but you’ve helped me come around on it.

BenFebruary 27, 2023 10:09am

Sounds like a good guy.

This is great for a lot of reasons. First of all, the mix is good. Sounds finished to me. Sounds full and listenable and I think I can hear some of the good mixing decision-making.

Loving the underlying irony of managing to prove the guy who said you shouldn’t sing wrong by… not singing.

(But then you actually did sneak some nice singing in in the harmonies.)

Also sidenote: some of the best singers are notorious singtalkers (talksingers?), from Dylan to Kurt Vile to Leonard Cohen to Zappa to Billie Eilish etc etc.

I always like your drum samples and programming. Every time I hear one of your NCBC songs i’m always like fuuuck did ryan suddenly become a really really solid drummer (maybe you are; i don’t know if i’ve ever seen you drum) or did he maybe have nick come over and track these or something? and does he have his own home studio with a kit and really nice mics?

They sound just hazy enough to be real. I almost never try to program “real” sounding drums because they always live in the uncanny valley, so i either opt for just playing real drums or programming clearly digital beats. But this works well. this song calls for real drums, and your samples do the job well. not really hearing kick flab.

the music video for this is just you walking slowly through the city with a guitar talksinging.

i can go on and on here because i think this is one of your best, but instead of rambling, i’ll just leave you with a similar Well Look At Me Now story. In third grade chorus class a classmate (she’s a cop now in our hometown) told me that i just talk through all the lyrics and that she hates standing next to me because i make it hard for her to sing. i assume i probably told her that i sing the song at whatever rhythm, harmony, timbre, and style i damn well please because i’m a misunderstood musical genius. But the truth is that decades later i’m still hyperaware that i can fall into pitchless talk singing.

Looking forward to hearing all your tunes this session. Great great start, man.

nickMarch 8, 2023 11:50am

hazy is the right word

RyanMarch 8, 2023 2:27pm

Love that the drum samples are working for you! I think I’m getting a little bit better at layering percussion and treating each sound a little differently so that they’re more believable.

RyanMarch 8, 2023 2:24pm

Variations on Mr. Barclift’s name that have shown up in the comments: Mr. Cliffbar, Mr. Bartlet, Mr. Barfchin, Brett’s dad

TylerKFebruary 27, 2023 12:16am

Your speaky voice is great, I’ve never heard this style from you. Emotion has nowhere to hide. For a two day mix this is great, get outta town. In context of the assignment, it’s earthy and fits the song. A flashy mix don’t always mesh with slide guitar (spittoon sound effect). Good work on this song, you simply don’t miss. I knew Brett’s dad was going to be involved in all of this but just didn’t know how.

nickMarch 8, 2023 11:46am

lol

RyanMarch 8, 2023 2:21pm

Earthy mixing just might be my thing.

nickMarch 8, 2023 12:13pm

what an incredible batch of submissions. well done fine people.

BenMarch 8, 2023 1:47pm

🤘

nickMarch 8, 2023 1:15pm

was definitely hooked right off the bat, probably due to the lofi. it’s like, oh, im going to get a unrefined look into this moment, which is nice. the unnaturalness of the phrasing paired with how well you sing it makes for a pretty compelling intro. also, that little flutter on “map” is excellent.

froebusinessFebruary 27, 2023 1:57pm

I love your lyrics here, Nora. The melody also really works in its simplicity, and I particularly like when it hits the “treasure map” line. If you add more sections, I would keep highliting the disparity between the repetitive first verse melody and the second section melody to continue to make the lyrical content stand out when it shifts between the two.

nickMarch 8, 2023 12:31pm

👏

Sam PearceFebruary 26, 2023 10:03pm

Hey Nora, I relate to your reservations because I also made mine in what felt like a too-small window of time, but I think is very cool. I like how it seems to truly be “one chord”, almost like a bagpipe melody (but waaay nicer timbres). I think you build the melody nicely, in a way that uses its potential energy (from the first half) without overextending it, if that makes sense. And I like the percussion; it adds a lot.

nurphgunMarch 1, 2023 2:10pm

Thanks! I was banging two dog bones together

nickMarch 8, 2023 12:30pm

lol dog bones

nickMarch 8, 2023 11:42am

Yesss i like the sounds. so these are all synths created from that korg? that is cool. i’ve recently been recording my actual organ instead of using software instruments. i like the challenge of having to stick with (roughly) your original sound. neat how each of your synths sound full to begin with, but the entrance of each new synth just widens the perceptive. glad to have you back.

nurphgunMarch 7, 2023 10:10pm

Very cool. It’s definitely sunrise-over-a-barren-desert, with some alien stuff mixed in. I don’t really have the language regarding timbre & mixing & such, but since you mentioned it, the synths do stand out a bit? But I don’t know, it’s what creates the cool extraterrestrial vibe. Maybe it just needs something to dampen the overall sound, like a master track with a little reverb?

nurphgunMarch 7, 2023 10:03pm

I love the juxtaposition of the beep-boop guitar line over the rumbly drone. So cool.

nurphgunMarch 7, 2023 10:00pm

This is so sweet. There is something so mischievous and cute about crickets. In high school choir, I sang a different 90-second-long song in Italian about a cricket & yes, we would all look at each other with trickster grins just like the blokes in this video. Anyway, this made me smile, and it sounds great!

nurphgunMarch 7, 2023 9:28pm

Love the imagery and little scenes you describe in these lyrics. It radiates nostalgia. Your vocal delivery reminds me a little bit of this tune I’ve been revisiting lately.

nickMarch 2, 2023 11:19am

lemme just say 11 seconds in had to pause it to lol for a minute and write this comment

froebusinessMarch 6, 2023 11:53am

Cheers, bruv!

nurphgunMarch 2, 2023 12:48pm

Love this, lmao. I know you’re doing a character here, but it’s totally authentic and totally Joe Froeber.

froebusinessMarch 6, 2023 11:53am

Cheers, luv. I don’t know this Joe Froeber geezer, but he sounds like a proper lad!

froebusinessFebruary 27, 2023 1:21pm

Hectic, baby. Sorry, I listened to it! I feel like some intentionally strange spoken word poetry would go well over this.

nickMarch 6, 2023 11:41am

yeah or like a distant scolding you’re not listening to

lizzieFebruary 27, 2023 4:44pm

i love the tone on the guitar and the interaction between it and the keyboard (?). kind of gave me jazzy tom and jerry ate an edible that made them love each other – trust me im trying to compliment you.

nickMarch 6, 2023 11:40am

lawl jazzytomandjerryateanedible.com im making t shirts too

nickMarch 6, 2023 11:39am

what the hell is this it’s awesome. great soundtrack material. out of a strange scene in Severance or something. u r a prince.

nickMarch 6, 2023 11:38am

more seriously??? nothing wrong with this amount. and banjo rules.

father daughter duo submission makes my heart hurt a little bit. you both sound great. excited for the next one.

BenFebruary 27, 2023 3:59pm

Great little ditty. Welcome. I dont know what “the view from the soft jazz” exactly means, but i like it.

What was the drone in this? Seems like some sort of wind thing with a crank of some sort? or like… a … bagpipe?

nickMarch 6, 2023 11:29am

yeah, love “the view from the soft jazz.” like, muzak getting played in the elevator, or somewhere with a window.

nickMarch 6, 2023 11:27am

great chord progression, and well strummed. especially the turnaround chord at 1:19. also love the way you say Barahona that first time 👌

alechutsonFebruary 27, 2023 12:45pm

Love this intro bass riff, very Thom Yorke meets RHCP. Then the drums drop in and it goes more in the NIN/ Incubus direction. Super cool

juliapikerFebruary 28, 2023 8:28pm

Real Housewives of Ceverly Pills?

nickMarch 2, 2023 11:39am

Robin Hood’s Capital Punishment

ZMarch 3, 2023 3:27pm

Thanks Alec! An yes I’m assuming he is referring to the Red Hot Chili PIPERS, a Scottish group, good catch on the UK reference Alec.

alechutsonMarch 3, 2023 6:15pm

That’s the one!

Sam PearceFebruary 26, 2023 9:45pm

Hey Zack, I thought this was sick. I like how much it transforms while maintaining that groove. In moments it made me think of Hail To Thief and some John Lennon songs.

ZMarch 3, 2023 3:37pm

Hey Sam, thanks for listening – glad you liked it! I watched this bass player speak the other day about how a good groove gets better the longer you play it, so I really wanted to allow that with this song. I think as Joe mentioned there are still little opportunities for a little variety but glad to hear that it works for the most part. Which John Lennon songs were you thinking of?

Sam PearceMarch 3, 2023 3:44pm

“Day Tripper” came to mind. Something about the vocal phrasing.

RyanFebruary 26, 2023 11:03pm

Ummmm 2:06 to 2:12 is absolutely fucking excellent. Can’t stop playing it back. Also love when that ornamenting part comes in at 2:34—what is that sound, actually? So rad.

I think something that could push this track over the edge would be some vocal processing throughout and consistency in delivery or tone. The more Pinegrove-esque verse deliveries don’t work as well for me as the chorus deliveries, for example. When the chorus hits again at 3:20ish, that’s a great indication of how much difference some vocal processing/stacking/additional color would make in this track. I want more!

This is like if Colin Greenwood was in NIN. Very rad. Nice work.

ZMarch 3, 2023 3:36pm

Yep you’re totally right about the vox. Have my mic set up for the next time I have an hour free after a long run and I can add some layers. The Pinegrove delivery, I’m not sure how intentional it was vs. “here’s the only way I can manage to sing over this part.” Definitely want to improve on that this year and definitely appreciate the honest feedback about what doesn’t work as well, thanks my dude!

froebusinessFebruary 27, 2023 12:37pm

Z, baby. Very nice track. That baseline is hot. It’s so hopeful and nostalgic. If you’re not married to the idea of having it run throughout, I would play with dropping it out and going to a pedal or roots here and there to see if it adds some spice to it once you bring it back. That being said, I wouldn’t say it doesn’t work as a repetitive line because it is so catchy. I second what Kershaw said about the vocals too. I think a vocal double would work really well over the whole tune if that kind of thing is your bag, baby.

ZMarch 3, 2023 3:31pm

Thanks lad, I agree about the bassline – it’s tricky because whenever I change it in a given section I listen back and I’m like “ehhh I kinda miss the original.” This is probably because I’ve now heard that bassline 9 billion times so it’s really hard to get out of my head, so I probably should take some space from it for a few months to let the most impactful moment for change reveal itself. I think there’s some room for double vox in this bag.

Thanks for listening!

EliasSZFebruary 27, 2023 2:14pm

First bass entrance got me hooked immediately. Drop at 1:30 is sick. Definitely agree that the 2:06 to 2:12 is as vibe as can be – hearing the Ok Computer influence for sure. Those little accenting guitar lines at like 4:20 for example are so tight – love how they live so well in the bigger section and the quieter moments equally.

ZMarch 3, 2023 3:24pm

Thanks for the close listen Elias, much appreciated!

atalinkayFebruary 27, 2023 11:17pm

This is fucking dope I was shocked. So full and rich!

ZMarch 3, 2023 3:23pm

Thank you!

juliapikerFebruary 28, 2023 8:28pm

oh i very much enjoy this bass intro thank you so much yes yes yes. OOOOOO baby it feels good to hear it. ooo we are crescendoing into verse 1. this is giving me major 90’s feels. I agree with Ryan on vocals needing some fun stuff but Kyle is super into robotic vocal processing these days (kyle are you here? this is an @@Kyle joke). Lets double or triple the lead then let’s add some low vocal tones throughout i hear it i hear it . make it snakey. So fun Z dog. love it.

ZMarch 3, 2023 3:23pm

I love that your comments are in real-time – it’s like closed-captioning transcript for one of those “Composer Reacts to _____” vids! Appreciate the “let’s make it…” feedback, totally agree about the vocals, it’s really helpful to A) have that corroborated and B) have you as a resource to help with that stuff – it’s pretty daunting to me but it’s priority for me to improve my vox performances and recording techniques in 2023.

Thanks for the feedback Jdog.

TylerKFebruary 28, 2023 11:49pm

What a slam dunk! This song is so cool. I don’t mean cool as in good (it is really good) I mean this is black denim jacket sunglasses cool. Slow motion music video cool. I would listen to this song to get pumped up on the way to a job interview and then not get the job. Iconic line I FEEL EVERY MILE FROM HOME damn. This track wouldn’t be out of place on a NG’s High Flying Birds record, which speaks to how English this song feels. You nailed that place. Big fan.

nickMarch 2, 2023 11:36am

lol, slam dunk is right.

ZMarch 3, 2023 3:18pm

Thanks for the kindly words Tyler! I believe In Rainbows came out at the time I was there, so I’m glad those English-y aspects didn’t go unnoticed. Thanks for listening and I hope you get the job!

nickMarch 2, 2023 11:36am

incredible submission. killer bass track. like i told @@lizzie you taught me everything i know on that old slap stick, so it’s great to see the master at work. agree with so many of the comments below; iconic lines, colin, kyle helping with vocal goodies, great sounds across. Are those just logic drums, or some other sample pack? or are those real? you’re either getting quite good at drumming or quite good at programming. so either way, cheers, mate.

ZMarch 3, 2023 3:15pm

Ha! Welp the ‘master’ has become the apprentice to your bass work for a while now – I think if I had to recruit someone to play on this studio recording you’d be top-o-the-list. The drums sounds come from a plug called Superior Drummer, although I believe at one point you misheard me refer to it as “career drummer,” which I much prefer. Thanks for listening, cheers lad.

nurphgunMarch 2, 2023 1:04pm

Yes, give me something repetitive and compelling like this any day. The guitar tease at 2:07 is nice. For me it’s giving “Take a Picture” by Filter, “In Every Direction” by Junip. And some general NIN and Porcupine Tree. Really landscapy. Car-driving-around-a-fjord. My only note is I want it to be even larger-than-life. LOVE it.

ZMarch 3, 2023 3:12pm

Thanks for listening, I really appreciate the comment. Yeah it totally needs to be larger-than-life, I think that’s gonna come with a lot of the doubling and layering, especially with the vocals recommended by other folks. Admittedly, that’s something I often put off – consistency of tone and delivery is a fine art that I don’t have in my back pocket yet. I’m looking forward to the next assignment as I think it’s gonna force me to really start there. Thanks again Nora.

RyanFebruary 26, 2023 10:56pm

“I miss exits in my nasty little car / when we’re talking like high school / I can’t do two things at once” is a really great line, man. “Nasty little car” in general is just a memorable and unique phrase. I love it. Voice memo format works really nicely here with the drone and the general metronomelessness. I also think you did a great job with the vocal delivery. This is a special recording. Good job, Sammo.

Sam PearceMarch 2, 2023 4:01pm

Thanks so much, Ryan. Definitely a case of general metronomelessness haha. I was intimidated by the rawness of a voice memo, and having to do everything in an hour, incidentally, but I think this assignment was a perfect opportunity to try that, and I appreciate your creating it!

atalinkayFebruary 27, 2023 11:16pm

Nostalgic x 10000, ever-sweet!

Sam PearceMarch 2, 2023 3:55pm

Thank you!

juliapikerFebruary 28, 2023 8:01pm

Nasty little car. i LOVE this lyric. How weird and adorable and beautiful. Kind of reminds me of high school love <3 nice job

Sam PearceMarch 2, 2023 3:54pm

Thanks, Julia! The reality of my car is the antithesis of adorable, so I’m glad it can be that in a song.

nurphgunMarch 2, 2023 1:17pm

This is so, so sweet. To echo everyone else, the sentiments here are just so touching. “I never mind hearing every little thing that’s on your mind” – this is one of the best descriptions of capital-L Love I’ve heard. Talking like high school. Yep.

Sam PearceMarch 2, 2023 3:50pm

Thank you, Nora. Although I imagine there are as many different definitions as there are people, I just read a HuffPost article about love with a capital L, “a matter of freeing the other person of the responsibility to express their love for us only in the ways that we want to receive it”, and that is the kind of love I want to give my friend.

TylerKMarch 1, 2023 11:05am

Songs about cars that aren’t nice always feel really sad to me. What’s more depressing than a nasty car? CFTPA had a series of songs across his albums about white cars (white corolla, white jetta etc.) so I thought maybe that was what’s making me sad but then I re-read your lyrics and that was why I was actually feeling that way. “I MISS exits in my nasty little car”, that’s a masterful play right there. Very up my alley. Swear is good too, esp since it accompanies a lil climb in the chord structure. Voice note production fits so well too. I listened to this a few times in a row, real good.

Sam PearceMarch 2, 2023 3:41pm

Thanks, Tyler. I had never listened to Casiotone for the Painfully Alone (had to google CFTPA), and I like the music. I think Owen Ashworth is great at making songs, and I love how homemade they sound, like something that could have been made for NCBC maybe. I appreciate the recommendation!

nickMarch 2, 2023 11:25am

even before the listen, great title. magnetic. agree with all the lyrical comments below, potent stuff. glad to be back here with ya, buddy.

Sam PearceMarch 2, 2023 3:35pm

Thanks, Nick. Glad to be back here with you too.

alechutsonFebruary 28, 2023 3:54pm

Nostalgic AF. I like how the cello drone almost sounds like a hurdy-gurdy. Lovely lyrics. Well done!

Sam PearceMarch 2, 2023 3:34pm

Thanks, Alec! Something wild I realized is that a bunch of us, including Ben and Michael, used YouTube cello drones, and they all sound really different depending on how we recorded or mixed them. The weird high-frequency “filter sweeps” from the heating in my apartment seems to have had an effect on mine.

froebusinessFebruary 27, 2023 12:23pm

The lyrical and melodic content are both very potent. I especially like the play with “I never mind” and “never mind.” It adds some tension lyrically that really pays off at the end.

Sam PearceMarch 2, 2023 3:32pm

Thank you, man.

BenFebruary 27, 2023 3:56pm

I too used a cello drone. found it very pleasing. Nice guitar playing here.

This resonates with me. I agree with Z – the can’t do two things at once is relatable. so is the talking like high school.

My car is clean these days, but i’m great at missing exits (actually i usually miss entrances to places when i’m driving more often than highway exits).

Would love to hear a full arrangement of this with maybe some more cello and some lazy ridecymbally drum parts.

Sam PearceMarch 2, 2023 3:29pm

Thanks, Ben. Any guitar compliment coming from you means a lot.

Thinking about cleaning the car…

nurphgunMarch 2, 2023 12:41pm

Stunning! This is my favorite kind of song you write. I definitely see it as a companion to “Moon.” I love the concept, and I know this a small thing, but I love the punctuation in your lyrics. “But your touch was cold as ice!” “You and I are one and same!” It adds to the drama of the piece.

nurphgunMarch 2, 2023 12:37pm

The beginning is beautiful and intriguing, but what really sold me was the “coo” at 0:59 & everything drunken and primal that followed.

nickMarch 2, 2023 11:56am

Funny how upon listening (with much delight i might add) I just assumed that you were like “a house music guy.” so to read that this was your first house track, well, im excited to hear from the rest of your arsenal.

I also use Logic, so the bass instrument sounds familiar to me, but in regards to the whole DAW, that’s a no from me, dawg.

agasthyaFebruary 26, 2023 10:08pm

this is awesome. hadn’t read the description so was caught off guard when the beat dropped. love the cool down section and subsequent build up. Caroline’s claps cut through the mix nicely 👏

nickMarch 2, 2023 11:51am

lol i thought you meant your caroline

RyanFebruary 26, 2023 10:44pm

As soon as the beat came in, I was soaring high above the year 1992 in a hot air balloon featuring the exact patterning of the fountain soda cups they had when we were kids. Was hoping some classic house piano chords would show up and 1:39 did not disappoint. This was lovely, man. Great work.

Anyone who says they can hear what DAW something was made in should be sent directly to jail.

nickMarch 2, 2023 11:50am

do not pass go, do not collect $200.

juliapikerFebruary 28, 2023 7:55pm

oooo you a Daniel Rossen fan!! I reallllly enjoy this a lot. Also i really just in general the way you use vibrato in your voice, its very gentle and soft and enjoyable. I have been hearing a lot of vocalists move away from vibrato in more current stuff thats out so it’s always a nice little treat to hear. Very very very beautiful finger picking. Well done!

nickMarch 2, 2023 11:17am

Rossen, yes

nickMarch 2, 2023 11:17am

pat pat. funny how we’ve ended up with a bunch of funky creepy intros from the prompt. “are you under any spells” great moment. tons of great moments.

nickMarch 2, 2023 11:16am

Kat! WAHOO. So glad to have you clubbin. And badda boom, coming out with a banger. Funky creepy cool intro. Love the bass composition. And hey seems like you’re more than capable on the Ableton front—keep it up 🤘

EliasSZFebruary 27, 2023 2:14pm

This has such a perfect delicate quality. I love how the voice memo makes this feel so intimate and close. The care you take when writing songs is evident in how you’re playing it also. And I love the two uses of “never mind” and “nevermind” in the lyrics.

Sam PearceMarch 1, 2023 6:32pm

Thanks, Elias. Yeah, I did this really quickly, which made me nervous, but I definitely cared about playing and singing it as sincerely as I could, and I’m glad to hear that came through for you.

lizzieFebruary 27, 2023 1:06am

way to hit it home in honing in on the place – really took me to the highway with you. guitar melody is so at peace, like the way i feel in a car with some real miles on it. like a foundation of home and safety while dealing with mixed emotions of the lyrics. appreciate this so much!

Sam PearceMarch 1, 2023 6:30pm

Thank you, Lizzie! I like that analogy a lot.

ZFebruary 27, 2023 3:10pm

the iPhone recording suits this well. I really feel like I’m there.

Missing exits/can’t do two things at once is v relatable, “nasty little car” is inherently funny – there’s a really great balance of levity and gravity to this. Like keeping things light while not sacrificing the sincerity of one’s emotions can be tough to do IRL and in music, both of which are happening here for me.

great job, Sam.

Sam PearceMarch 1, 2023 6:29pm

Thank you, Zack. Yeah, that is definitely tough to do in life, and I’m happy you feel that way about the song.

Sam PearceMarch 1, 2023 6:22pm

Hey! I thought this was an inspiring example of what one can do with drones as the backbone of, instead of merely a backdrop to, a piece. I love the phasing (I think?) on the first pitch that seems to intensify as the piece progresses. It like the smallest possible change, one that I would probably never think to use, and it attuned my ears to what other subtle changes might happen next. Then when the melody comes in, I especially like the last pitch. Funky as heck. The timbres are pleasing. They sound like warm morning light to me. I think I would enjoy hearing this piece continuing developing for a couple more minutes! (if that were something you’re interested in trying)

Sam PearceMarch 1, 2023 6:13pm

Hey Daeclan! This was wonderfully unsettling. Also the drums are freakin’ sick. Is that you playing? I really like the way the guitar loosely doubles the synth toward the end. And having read Elias’ comment, I agree; I would enjoy some buried screams on this.

lizzieFebruary 27, 2023 4:07pm

reminds me of an underwater world of selkies and sirens in a fantasy film. the strings are so well placed and harmonized. love how they build you into the drop off of the dream. and, reliably, your vocals are unrealll.

juliapikerFebruary 28, 2023 8:31pm

it’s funny you say that because you remind me of an underwater world of selkies and sirens in a fantasy film <3

lizzieMarch 1, 2023 4:03pm

*big blush* xo

lizzieFebruary 27, 2023 5:15pm

melody is really great in my opinion! its ability to keep you guessing, but ultimately make you know you’re going to enjoy what’s just around the corner is really impressive. if you did extend it, i’d pull the vocal climb from “finally” at 0:21 back in from time to time but take different directions with it. maybe even like you’re following a treasure map!

nurphgunMarch 1, 2023 2:09pm

Thanks! Great advice on pulling back the vocal climb. I think my vocal delivery there (and also at the phrase “treasure map”) contain some ornamentation that I would probably save for a “final chorus” if I were to build this thing out fully.

lizzieMarch 1, 2023 4:02pm

if you choose to, i’ll be among the first of your listeners!

TylerKFebruary 28, 2023 9:11pm

Great! I second Sam on this. As someone who relies solely on chord changes to influence where my next vocal is gonna to go, it’s refreshing and impressive that you came up with an intricate and catchy vocal part over a single drone. And as your first song? Forget about it. This is pro level.

This is a specific note but the fade out is perfectly timed. It’s underrated to get a fade out just right. Excited to hear more.

lizzieMarch 1, 2023 4:01pm

i am so honored! (‘: it was really fun to let myself go anywhere. thank you so much. have to thank the genius of @@Z for the timing of the fade

BenFebruary 28, 2023 9:05am

Weirdly, some lines in this (“finally-y-y-y-y”) remind me of this very bizarre but very cool song, particularly the vocals.

💚

nurphgunMarch 1, 2023 2:11pm

I see it. I listened to that song a lot in 2019 so it may have snuck its way in subconsciously!

Sam PearceFebruary 28, 2023 4:12pm

Hey, this is sick. I don’t know how to use Ableton at all, but it sounds like you used it perfectly well for what you set out to create. I like the little bursts of sound at 0:28 and 2:08. Your voice is beautiful. And I like the spontaneous-seeming nature of some of the vocal moments.

atalinkayMarch 1, 2023 1:55pm

Thank you!!!

BenFebruary 28, 2023 12:06pm

please tell me there will be a white lotus season that takes place at a resort around joshua tree. this is that beautiful, ambient, spellbinding music that plays when they show clips of beautiful but vaguely ominous nature and wildlife and you think “oh ok is this what kills the guest in the bodybag from the first episode?”

this is amazing and i keep listening.

juliapikerFebruary 28, 2023 8:31pm

thank you Ben! I have been trying to work on White Lotus since S1. Will let you know if i make it to Cristobals writing team.

BenFebruary 28, 2023 8:57pm

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RyanFebruary 26, 2023 9:48pm

These vocals are completely gorgeous. And I love how sneaky the viola entrance is—really well done. In terms of additional layers, I think a thick, crunchy moment could be nice at 1:45. Maybe just one fat, slightly distorted piano chord or something. Also, shout out 2:05—very special when the viola takes off. Great work, Juli.

juliapikerFebruary 28, 2023 8:34pm

tenks Ryon! yeah i need some bass or something coming in that gives crunch. But because i went dissonant I couldnt layer another bass tone against my original one. Or that would just be too much dissonance lol

alechutsonFebruary 27, 2023 12:26pm

Beautiful vocal layering! And as always, your production and mixing is on point. If you were to add any layers I could hear a plucked string instrument, but really I think it’s wonderful as is. Compliments to the chef 🤌

juliapikerFebruary 28, 2023 8:33pm

merci!

froebusinessFebruary 27, 2023 1:04pm

I’m not sorry about the dissonance either. Wow, what a track. Hmm, as far as layers I really have to stretch my brain because it’s all really cohesive and working well. The only thing I can think of is to work with that (correct me if I’m wrong here) snap of the vocal loop repeating. It works really well as a percussive element, and it might be something you could embellish and build from. Nice work.

juliapikerFebruary 28, 2023 8:32pm

<3 thanks dood

EliasSZFebruary 27, 2023 2:24pm

The harmony shift on “breathing” felt like magic. The vocal layering is so textural – everything blends but lives in its own space really well. Not sure if I have any ideas of more layers to add – maybe another percussive element to add contrast with the drums that enter at 1:45 when the strings take over just after the 2 minute marker. This piece seemed to draw so much inspiration from the idea of a drone as well as the drone itself – really nice.

juliapikerFebruary 28, 2023 8:32pm

thank you!!

ZFebruary 27, 2023 3:50pm

Tree analogies incoming, not sorry.

It is really cool how the different layers branch in and out of one another. They are distinct, but they weave together to the extent that I can’t quite tell where one begins and another ends. I really love when a piece seems to break free of linear time nature music. It’s as if I’m watching an object spinning before me and I can just marvel at it from different angles.

This was so vivid, I’ve always wanted to go to Joshua Tree one day so thanks!

juliapikerFebruary 28, 2023 8:31pm

get your ass over to LA and we will take you there

juliapikerFebruary 28, 2023 8:23pm

I loooooove your vocal layers! more more more layers from you please! Also thank you for playing with your headvoice! I appreciate it! Fun idea: I sort of here this being a lofi intro and then kicking in to like a very clear HI FI fullness.

juliapikerFebruary 28, 2023 8:21pm

I absolutely cannot hear your daw. Unless any of these patches are supposed to be like, recognizable logic loops? You could have made this in ableton. Whoever said that is a numskull. hell yes to the HYUHH. Yessss thank you for making me want to dance dance dance. This is fun!!! And this mix is pretty nice!!!

juliapikerFebruary 28, 2023 7:58pm

So so heartwarming and sweet to hear a father daughter duo! A really beautiful moment. nice job!

Sam PearceFebruary 28, 2023 3:44pm

Hey Lizzie! This is my first experience of your music. I love what I heard! I think it’s cool that you wrote a melody that (at least to me, with my limited knowledge of theory) sounds truly modal and doesn’t rely on implied chord changes. It reminds me of some lost ancient Celtic melody. And your voice rules. I look forward to hearing more.

lizzieFebruary 28, 2023 7:38pm

i appreciate that reflection so much. i am very new to music and songwriting, so i think my lack of theory knowledge allowed me to wander a bit. it’s also nice to hear that it reminded you of a celtic melody because a big part of my time in the uk was exploring my english and celtic heritage. thank you so much, sam! this means a lot to me.

atalinkayFebruary 27, 2023 11:19pm

Thank you for your healing heartvoice

lizzieFebruary 28, 2023 7:35pm

(‘: this is such a kind sentiment. thank you!

alechutsonFebruary 28, 2023 4:10pm

Very nice. Really sets a mood. Wonderful guitar playing. I agree with some of what the other folks are saying – vocals I think could come up and personally I think they would have more clarity if they were slightly less effected. As for arrangement, I don’t think you need much for this piece – the guitar really carries a lot of it! Maybe some minimal bass and percussion would help bring it home.

EliasSZFebruary 28, 2023 7:12pm

I’ve experimented a lot with how I want my vocals to sound, and I’ve always just sorta thrown something together to make something sound sorta right more than learned how to do it in a ‘correct’ way (and I never really remember what I’ve done before lol). Think that a little less effected makes sense and might serve the piece. Thanks for the thoughts on arrangement too – all makes sense to me

atalinkayFebruary 27, 2023 11:41pm

I feel like I’m looking down, watching myself feel things from above, while listening to this…cool!!

EliasSZFebruary 28, 2023 7:10pm

Always good to get a bird’s eye view

RyanFebruary 28, 2023 4:56pm

Just noticed the “HYUHH!” at 0:44. Thank god for you.

Sam PearceFebruary 28, 2023 4:30pm

I was watching a Kahn Academy video so I can help one of my students with functional groups, and your song, which I thought was part of the video, was still playing in another tab, and I was like damn Kahn Academy got cool!

Sam PearceFebruary 28, 2023 4:22pm

Hey! Makes me feel like it’s summer time. I take the S train pretty frequently to get to my partner’s place, and had never felt very inspired on it, but now thinking of this song will make me smile. And no regrets, I think the banjo adds motion and excitement (and is really nicely played).

Sam PearceFebruary 28, 2023 4:17pm

Hey man, I love the guitar playing on this. It sounds like you’re playing your heart out. I think the tinny quality is actually cool. It makes the guitar sound like its fighting hard to cross a narrow but significant divide to reach our ears. And your singing is compelling as always. Psyched to hear a song inspired by the Fire Tower.

Sam PearceFebruary 28, 2023 4:04pm

Hey Alec, this is awesome. Yeah, I hear all three of those artists in this piece. Those triplets remind me of some moments in Daniel Rossen’s playing, and the major change at 0:46 makes me think of Thom Yorke’s approach to harmony. But it also sounds like something new. Singing in that deep baritone (?) range is something that none of those artists really do, and I think it’s beautiful and sets up the ascent into the falsetto part to be more powerful. I also thought of Moses Sumney. Maybe it’s that sumptuous vibrato! Also, respect for this guitar technique.

Sam PearceFebruary 28, 2023 3:54pm

Hey Ben, I had all the projects streaming while I was doing dishes, and I knew this one was you right away. I think your voice sounds great. Maybe the best I’ve heard it, which is maybe because it’s minimally processed. Elements of your singing remind me of both Elliott Smith and Jeff Tweedy.

Sick guitar tone and licks at 3:10 and beyond. I don’t think this piece is wanting, as in lacking, any keys. I think it’s nice how every instrumental sound has a guitar-or-drum-like attack. Gives it a pleasing angularity.

alechutsonFebruary 28, 2023 3:48pm

Eerie and vibey- I’ve never been to Montana, so I’m on board with your interpretation! I’d love to know what lyrics you’re singing

EliasSZFebruary 27, 2023 2:12pm

Immediately hooked by the guitar work and the quality of the vocals. Love the vocal harmony at 1:00 and the major minor shift at 1:12ish. And then that harmony at 1:33 is so sick.

alechutsonFebruary 28, 2023 3:34pm

Thank you very much! I definitely have a soft spot for spooky unexpected harmonies and chord changes

ZFebruary 27, 2023 2:43pm

Oh man the vocal entrance scratches an itch that previously only scratched by The Handsome Family, but rather than steep me in gothic Americana it sails me to the moon instead. Really impressed with how well the lyrics and tone of the piece agree. And the harmonies are brilliant, especially the question mark of the final chord – great work.

alechutsonFebruary 28, 2023 3:32pm

Ahhh thank you! (?)

atalinkayFebruary 27, 2023 11:13pm

Just lovely!

alechutsonFebruary 28, 2023 3:31pm

Thank you 🙂

lizzieFebruary 27, 2023 4:14pm

i love the busyness of the guitar as the drone pulls you deeper. reminds me of a racing mind and the gradual descent into a feeling. your vocals remind me of ground coffee (my penultimate compliment). it’s like you’re guiding me into a cavern! and i can’t help but follow!

alechutsonFebruary 28, 2023 3:30pm

Come with me, precious 😈

RyanFebruary 27, 2023 4:29pm

Wowwww, I like your voice a lot in this range! Feels like a cello trapped in a human body.

I think it could be pretty special to treat “frozen, barren” (and maybe all the background harmonies) completely different from the lead vocal. Like, if they were high-passed, maybe a little leslie’d out, etc. But otherwise—you are pretty and I am patting your head.

BenFebruary 28, 2023 9:54am

“a cello trapped in a human body.”

Fun fact: that actually might be true. I’ve recorded or edited/mixed alec’s voice many dozens of times, and i swear the waveform of his voice is unlike anything i’ve ever seen from a human. Normally, the human voice, since it’s such a complex sound, makes a pretty organic and chaotic and imperfect looking waveform. A few years ago, in a studio, I remember looking at a waveform of Alec singing a background harmony, with no effects on it, and it was this completely geometric pattern, like perfect sawtoothes and squares. It looked like a synth or instrument. Yet his voice is rich and has a warm tone. He’s clearly an alien.

As i said in my comment, this song is stunning.

alechutsonFebruary 28, 2023 3:30pm

Thank you, Ben!! Chalk this up to my inability to take a compliment, but all I can think of in response to this flattering statement is Hagrid saying “You’re a cello, ‘Arry.”

Also, I think treating the bgvx differently from the lead would definitely be a good move.

BenFebruary 28, 2023 11:53am

[incredible and super heavy episode of something on HBO fades to black]

[this song starts]

[credits roll]

[viewer holds up phone to tv. “Hey Siri, what song is playing?”]

froebusinessFebruary 28, 2023 1:12pm

Love that

EliasSZFebruary 27, 2023 2:13pm

Uh oh I almost told Arthur. Let’s go to the center of the earth.

froebusinessFebruary 28, 2023 1:05pm

Arthur is a fuckin bellend, mate. Let’s find a new singer.

ZFebruary 27, 2023 2:59pm

“The subtler genius found in Nigel’s works is his ability to echo fractal meaning from the core messages of his pieces, often in conspicuous yet easily missed places. Take for example the title – ‘Center of the Earth (this place makes me hunger [for you]).’

Through use of nested parentheticals, Nigel intimates a journey to the heart of something, ushering the listener to that center before they’ve even pressed play. It’s brilliance like this that makes me want to ditch my trousers, lash myself to the mast, and howl to the Easter gods of boogie.”

— Gordon Gottfried, NME, 1968

froebusinessFebruary 28, 2023 1:01pm

Fuckin hell, mate…bloody nailed it! Thanks for the review. Let’s grab a pint soon. Cheers.

BenFebruary 27, 2023 3:21pm

I lol’d at this. i love how it kind of transitioned from this sketch to a jack black type experience to a solid song.

froebusinessFebruary 28, 2023 1:01pm

Cheers, bruv.

atalinkayFebruary 27, 2023 11:14pm

I lol’d at this too. So fun to listen to!

froebusinessFebruary 28, 2023 1:00pm

Cheers, luv.

atalinkayFebruary 27, 2023 11:42pm

Enigmatic, captivating, badass and vulnerable. I love it Nora!

atalinkayFebruary 27, 2023 11:38pm

Fun and eclecto-poppy, dig it!

atalinkayFebruary 27, 2023 11:30pm

0 & $ >:>:>….?””’:]]]}}}}}}~ yeah!

atalinkayFebruary 27, 2023 11:29pm

Warm in the heart off this!!

atalinkayFebruary 27, 2023 11:28pm

Love the delicious low-key ambiance merged with upbeat danceability! Can see a crowd swaying and bobbing to this hardcore!

atalinkayFebruary 27, 2023 11:25pm

Yewwwwww!!!!

atalinkayFebruary 27, 2023 11:20pm

Raw & satisfying!

ZFebruary 27, 2023 5:21pm

Super glad you’re here as well.

I love the flutter, or whatever is coloring the delay.

The guitar and vocal performances sound really tight.

I love the wetness of it, it makes it feel really cohesive and distant without being muddy. I’d be curious to hear what someone else’s treatment of the mix would be to provide just a touch more clarity but I thing the soul of this is really clear and would only benefit from a very light touch.

NCBC submissions aren’t really about having final mixes but this is damn near the finish line to me, really impressive especially when it’s not your core strength.

Bon jobbo bruther!

EliasSZFebruary 27, 2023 8:03pm

I’m glad to be here! I appreciate the thought on the mixes – I don’t tend to think of myself as someone who can really mix, but I know the sounds I like and always try to make them balance. Definitely agree that someone more adept adding some final mixing would take this through to the finish line, but honestly feeling glad that what I did is working so far!

lizzieFebruary 27, 2023 5:12pm

guitar is impeccable. i do love the distance from which we hear the vocals – a proper reflection on times past. however i would agree to pull them forward just a bit since they’re so beautiful. maybe upping the activity/volume of the bass guitar in the second half of the song would help to ground it which is something i think i was looking for a bit more of. the guitar riff is so good and i’m so glad you brought it back with vocals over it. as an existing fan of yours, i hope to hear more of this. it’s really amazing!

EliasSZFebruary 27, 2023 8:01pm

Hahaha, yes, listening back I think I’d pull the vocals up, but glad that the feeling of the distance comes through. I always love super quiet vocals that are still audible, but don’t always balance it right. Love the idea of trying to ground it some more with some low frequencies in a bass – I felt limited by the low drone and didn’t really add to much more to that side of things and think the tune could benefit from it.

froebusinessFebruary 27, 2023 1:52pm

Great guitar work, man. I know this isn’t in regards to arrangement feedback, but I would kick those vocals up so they are a bit higher than the guitar in the mix throughout (more so evident in the verses).

EliasSZFebruary 27, 2023 7:58pm

Hahaha, I tend to love the sound of quiet vocals nestled between guitars and not up front, but even I think listening back that I probably pulled it too far back. Appreciate the thought!

Sam PearceFebruary 27, 2023 7:44am

Hey Elias, I love this. I like the pulsating sound behind the guitar. It sounds like it might be the guitar itself through effects, but it feels like a separate instrument. The changes are kind of haunting. Psyched to hear another iteration of this, if you decide to do that.

RyanFebruary 27, 2023 4:32pm

Yes to the pulsating sound!

EliasSZFebruary 27, 2023 7:58pm

Thanks Sam! I was trying to experiment with layering guitars and keeping a decent amount of the processed, but still very guitar-y sounds up front, but also sending a bit of them to a much more heavily processed, delayed, etc. send to create another layer. Glad that they intended effect is coming through.

RyanFebruary 26, 2023 11:20pm

Elias! So glad to have you here! This track is gorgeous. Love the guitar playing and vocal delivery. Killer performances. Love the addition of the bends in the second verse.

I think some simple percussion joining the new section at 1:12 would do a lot to take this from ‘demo’ to ‘finished track’. Maybe kick doing four-on-the-floor and then some kind of crunchy white noise sound on the upbeats? I could see that developing throughout the rest of the track nicely, too.

EliasSZFebruary 27, 2023 7:56pm

Yeah, I definitely want to add some percussion – I’m so unpracticed at programming drums that I just never made myself do it, tbh. But something I want to push myself to do more of. Love those ideas for it – ideally I think it would build to the final chorus that would have some more full on drum vibes.

EliasSZFebruary 27, 2023 7:54pm

Something perfect about how just up front and honest this is. Also want to echo what Alec said – perfect for an intro or outro of an album.

EliasSZFebruary 27, 2023 7:49pm

Love the drum sounds on this and the guitar tone. I kinda wanted to hear someone screaming during parts of this somewhere deep, buried in the mix. 

ZFebruary 27, 2023 5:07pm

I’m imagining a focus group of perplexed people screaming in confusion about what this could possibly be about, eventually smashing through the two way mirror and killing the moderators.

No I think this all fits super well together! The comedy of you “talking,” to Mr. Barclift, the country instrumentation primes the listener for that type of humor too, it’s great. I bet you thought about it a lot though when you were trying to figure out how you’d deal with the range issue – but the “talkiness” is a great solution to the problem and built around it so well.

I was struck by the entrance of every. single. voice! Each appears in such an unexpected and delightful way it’s like friends starting to trickle in at the beginning of a party, then suddenly we are at a chorus without it ever having been telegraphed and it feels so welcome.

Banjitar sounds great.

Kick = Rob’s problem.

Jelly that you can do something so complete in just two nights, muy impressivo Kershag.

RyanFebruary 27, 2023 6:11pm

Ah, thanks for mentioning the entrances of each voice! That’s one of the elements I’m happiest about.

agasthyaFebruary 27, 2023 8:51am

this is gonna be great. lyrics are the toughest part for me so I’m excited for the challenge!

nickFebruary 27, 2023 4:24pm

yeah i think i’ve only ever had lyrics before music once

RyanFebruary 27, 2023 6:08pm

yeah I don’t think I’ve ever pulled it off. kind of horrified, mostly psyched.

ZFebruary 27, 2023 5:29pm

This was refreshing to hear – I love listening to all NCBC submissions, I think it’s great when we have batches that are in a DAW with a fair amount of production and time out in, and the ones that are just raw.

The lyrics to this are enigmatic but there’s a lot to extract from them, it’s a short run time that makes it digestible.

Sometimes you’ve got time to play a full game of Catan, sometimes just a few hands of gin rummy, both are great.

Thanks for sharing.

RyanFebruary 26, 2023 10:47pm

Love how peaceful and raw this is, Lizzie. Excellent work tapping into the vulnerability required for a piece like this. Also love the delivery of “good morning” at 3:27—truly sincere-sounding, which can be difficult to capture.

lizzieFebruary 27, 2023 5:26pm

feels great to hear that from you. thank you. and big love for the killer prompt! i definitely felt the jolt of inspo for this.

zoyaFebruary 27, 2023 11:59am

love this lizzieeee. your voice is ethereal

lizzieFebruary 27, 2023 5:25pm

appreciate you so much <3

alechutsonFebruary 27, 2023 12:47pm

This is lovely morning meditation vibe

lizzieFebruary 27, 2023 5:25pm

that actually nails the energy of that place for me. how quiet the mornings were and how you never knew what the day would bring.

froebusinessFebruary 27, 2023 12:47pm

The perplexing complexity of “good morning life unlived” followed by the bare simplicity of “good morning window pane” is really beautiful. I felt this one in my heart! Really nice work.

lizzieFebruary 27, 2023 5:23pm

i’m so glad to hear that reflection. it’s on the precipice of understanding what will come next, but not quite there yet. thank you!

EliasSZFebruary 27, 2023 2:15pm

The vocal delivery is so perfect. Loving the reverb on the vocals as well. “Your sunlight is warming me again” is such a strong line to close on – really feeling this.

lizzieFebruary 27, 2023 5:21pm

thank you! definitely a lot of ideas that needed to find their place. just glad they finally did.

ZFebruary 27, 2023 3:19pm

In minimal arrangements it’s cool how much impact the smallest things can have. Every line is retrospective but the “good morning” moments ‘hit hard’ because they look forward. Amazing way to end a song – it just leaves you excited for whatever comes next.

lizzieFebruary 27, 2023 5:20pm

i didn’t even realize the perspectives shifting – i love that so much! thanks my dear xo

RyanFebruary 26, 2023 11:12pm

“Bumbumbumbumbumbumbumbumbum” really does something for me in the intro haha. I hear a mix of Wilco and @@nick. And when the jam takes off, I get a little early Japanese Breakfast. But funkier.

You do such a great job of blending sections together—I never know what’s coming next from your songs and love that feeling. I could learn a thing or two from you in that regard.

I’m loving your vocal delivery here. And that you let it fly in the back half! Keep going with it—I thiiiink I hear a few spots where you’re still being careful to not disturb an imaginary judgmental listener. The parts where you do open up are great, though. Both tonally and emotionally. Love the “I’m on a jet!” delivery.

BenFebruary 27, 2023 5:07pm

yeah, i hear a couple imaginary neighbor spots too.

remembering something from 7 or 8 years ago:

The first time I ever met Andre was the morning after I did some *highly experimental* shrieking background vocals in my room on the third floor of 50 Garry Somerville when I thought I was alone.

ZFebruary 27, 2023 4:43pm

This does a great job of capturing the feeling of finishing something in the last 45 minutes, it’s like an 8 bit video game of Indiana Jones sliding under a closing stone door just in time.

(I am assuming this happened in one of those movies).

Melba’s Wash World sounds like a disquieting place indeed!

Always props for getting it in, miss u bb

ZFebruary 27, 2023 4:36pm

Man talk about a swoosh!

This is so charming and funny. I certainly have no artistic criticism other than that you should have made this sooner.

The length, the ending, it’s just perfect, nice job y’all!

ZFebruary 27, 2023 4:33pm

So much payoff! Love the energy, particularly the brief dip of “ it’s quiet” and then it comes right back in – this to me is about the feeling, not a long, throat-clearing description of a time and place, just puts me right there.

love hearing you working with a fuller arrangements, especially drums. ~Glock was a great choice!

Your guitar tone has always been one of my favorites. I think it’s really what everything should and usually is organized around, there’s a lotta folks here that are more useful than I for that kinda stuff, but I will say that the plug-and-play nature of DI helps me a lot to capture inspo with less fuss, and if it means more full BergenBand I hope you pick out a hot new interface ASAP!

great work!

lizzieFebruary 27, 2023 4:31pm

yes the vibe is so on point with the prompt. the woods as your place really stuck with me – takes me to that place where you’re amongst something so grounding and wiser than you that you can just relax and really marvel at it. i could see you and grouplove headlining some festival called The Roots. i would buy a VIP pass.

lizzieFebruary 27, 2023 4:26pm

the vastness after the transition at 1:22 made me mindful of my breath and vitality in a great way. i love that you felt house music from this and just went for it. the piano at the end and the way it hangs is lovely. way to do something you’ve never done before and absolutely crush it!

RyanFebruary 27, 2023 4:21pm

Oh my god the outtakes have me cracking up hahahah.

lizzieFebruary 27, 2023 4:21pm

really appreciate the guitar melody in this. it’s minimal for the amount of meaning it expresses. i love how the drone and the guitar are so steady and stable and outlive the lyrics – like this place has existed forever and you just took a quick moment to reflect on it. you went back about your day and the place went on existing.

ZFebruary 27, 2023 4:18pm

Man when I saw you submitted something I thought the same thing -wheelhouse! The Sultan of Ride the Wave Journey has entered the chat, did not disappoint.

I’d had a similar thought with the prompt about “what sounds would you find at your chosen locale,” but opted to lean on the lyrics for the setting – it’s cool to read your description and re-listen to let myself picture the scene with only the evocations from the music – very vivid!

The guitar tone and execution (though not as impressive as the claps, obviously) is my favorite nugget, I wish it came back!

As far as “hearing the DAW,” I can definitely hear it but only because I use logic, I assume this has to do with not only the plug-in palette but the overall color of the processing, not sure how to escape this. Have you tried buying the entire Pro Tools suite?

TylerKFebruary 26, 2023 11:59pm

Where’s that cricket even gotta go?

Banjo is GREAT here, it fits the theme. One of you is crazy.

I can feel the good time in this track. Final vocal harmony is delivered perfectly by the both of you. I squinted and nodded at the end.

BenFebruary 27, 2023 4:02pm

😂 seriously, where does the cricket even need to be?

ZFebruary 27, 2023 3:37pm

Welcome!

I appreciate how faithful to the parameters this is – you can really hear the drone throughout and how it interacts with the chords, which are also some of my favorite chords on the guitar – if I could have Bm7 and E in every song I would.

I also dig the attitude, Iove that is it conveys weariness without making me feel weary.

Nice “ditty” friend!

EliasSZFebruary 27, 2023 2:34pm

This warms my heart – the banjo feels absolutely perfect to me. I wish I knew a cricket who rode the S train.

EliasSZFebruary 27, 2023 2:32pm

Getting strong 2010s indie rock vibes from this tune – in a great way. Love how trashy the guitar is, but agree it’s maybe slightly too tinny. I wouldn’t want to lose all of the vibe that brings though so wouldn’t want to tame it too much I think. And the drop for the vocal entrance at :55 is sick. I feel like this could be a solid interlude track on an album, though I’m also vibing with it as a standalone piece.

EliasSZFebruary 27, 2023 2:29pm

That’s a loud clap! I definitely don’t have an ear that could identify a DAW (if I even thought that was really possible), but I can definitely hear that this was made super well. Echoing Ryan on loving the piano entrance at 1:39 and the driving baseline right after it is super satisfying. Super nostalgic and upbeat at the same time about this track.

EliasSZFebruary 27, 2023 2:20pm

The shape of this tune is really sticking with me – the growth to the heights and the relationship to quiet moments. How it lands on the “Little boats” line felt so inevitable and rewarding – and the quiet outro of just guitar fading into the drone felt so right.

EliasSZFebruary 27, 2023 2:16pm

This is a serious banger! Loving the vocal delivery throughout and the mix on the drums (and everything) sounds incredible. Also those vocals bouncing between the ears add such a good vibe. Love when the bass comes forward at :50 before the break.

EliasSZFebruary 27, 2023 2:12pm

So ethereal – I think the mix of fantasy location and a real mountain in Mountain comes through in how the tune feels both grounded and otherworldly.

alechutsonFebruary 27, 2023 12:42pm

Arthur already knows, mate. Better play it cool.

froebusinessFebruary 27, 2023 2:09pm

Bollocks. Thanks for letting me know, bruv.

RyanFebruary 27, 2023 10:33am

Exxxxxcellent work, Nigel. The world thanks you for your recent scientific findings.

froebusinessFebruary 27, 2023 2:08pm

Thank you, bruv. Really makes a bloke think, yeah?

Sam PearceFebruary 27, 2023 10:24am

This is feckin glorious. The major change at -1:11 is wonderfully dramatic. Also really love the narrative framing of the drone.

froebusinessFebruary 27, 2023 2:07pm

Thanks, mate.

lizzieFebruary 27, 2023 1:17am

love this lmao. okay the sound of that guitar is g r e a t. wish you could see my smile, slight frown of appreciation, and head bobbing when it all slows down. love the way you pick it back up as well.

p.s. i hear susan shags everyone.

froebusinessFebruary 27, 2023 2:07pm

Cheers, luv. It’s all about the bridge innit?

froebusinessFebruary 27, 2023 2:01pm

I don’t really know nobodayyy. This track is too good, man.

froebusinessFebruary 27, 2023 1:17pm

Oh my god this is the most wholesome thing I’ve ever heard. That banjo is choice, by the way. I think the cricket plays a banjo too.

froebusinessFebruary 27, 2023 1:14pm

Nice one Bergenman-man. I think this would for sure play as an earned outro to a slow-burn track. Spot on.

froebusinessFebruary 27, 2023 1:11pm

What a jam. Huge, big time fun energy. Claps that would make the Hulk jealous for sure.

froebusinessFebruary 27, 2023 1:06pm

Let’s fucking go dude. Sick.

froebusinessFebruary 27, 2023 12:56pm

I love how evocative the chorus line is “In Barahona where the skin speaks.”

agasthyaFebruary 26, 2023 8:10pm

oooweeeeee those harmonies starting at “lay with me” are too good.

alechutsonFebruary 27, 2023 12:51pm

Thanks dude! Love me some layered vocal harmonies

BenFebruary 27, 2023 10:12am

Alec this is incredible. The last stanza is sooooo drawn out and patient. kind of stunning actually. Each word feels like it lasts like an hour. Well done.

Also, false, we recorded Moon in 2014 or 15 (in western ma), then we revisited and finished in 2016.

alechutsonFebruary 27, 2023 12:50pm

Holy shit I forgot we started it that long ago

froebusinessFebruary 27, 2023 12:17pm

You’re a pretty chef aren’t you?

*pats head*

alechutsonFebruary 27, 2023 12:50pm

🥺

alechutsonFebruary 27, 2023 12:49pm

Your vocal delivery is perfect for this song. Giving me Noah and the Whale vibes. Fuck the haters

alechutsonFebruary 27, 2023 12:40pm

Yessssssss dude. Definitely some Paak energy here. Mix sounds great to my ears. I love the idea of rocking out to social anxiety 😬🤘

alechutsonFebruary 27, 2023 12:37pm

Raw and real. You could use this as the intro / outro track to an album

alechutsonFebruary 27, 2023 12:28pm

I love this. No regrets for the banjo, only for the cricket 😅

agasthyaFebruary 26, 2023 10:01pm

wowowowow this is so cool. “breathing” is a beautiful moment. that little reverse vox riff is haunting. the build up starting at 1:45 into the viola entrance is really wonderful.

agasthyaFebruary 26, 2023 10:03pm

maaaaaaaybe I could hear a plucked/strummed instrument in the background sometime between 1:45 and 2:40. mandolin? but I think the arrangement is pretty full as is

alechutsonFebruary 27, 2023 12:27pm

Yaa ok we had the same ideas haha

froebusinessFebruary 27, 2023 12:14pm

Let the lava flow! Nice track. Calm but eerie.

zoyaFebruary 27, 2023 11:58am

So good. Throw a call to prayer in there and I’m in Turkey. Absolutely no part of me is surprised that Caroline has the loudest clap on earth. That’s the original earth tone.

BenFebruary 27, 2023 9:45am

Great songs everyone!

daeclanFebruary 26, 2023 8:30pm

dope ofc, beat came in dirtier than xtina. mix sounding super present on my old ipod headphones, comes through clear and full.

agasthyaFebruary 27, 2023 8:50am

thanks Dec! Always striving to be more like xtina

RyanFebruary 26, 2023 11:15pm

My dude this is a proper banger. I love the mix, especially on the vocals. And I dig the balance of dark but clear. FWIW, I think the drums could go even harder. Especially after the vocal break—I wouldn’t mind the re-entrance at 0:58 being like “oh shit, this track just leveled up again.” Love that single synth note that comes in at 2:15. Damn this is fun, man.

agasthyaFebruary 27, 2023 8:50am

thanks Ryan! that synth is actually that guitar from the beginning, just pitched up and verbed out!

Sam PearceFebruary 27, 2023 8:49am

Mr. Cliffbar can go fly a kite. I’ve always really liked the way you sing; I think it’s easy to listen to, nicely unaffected, and one thing I just realized is I can always hear all the words, but it’s also not pronounce-y (like Ben Gibbard, for example). I’m not even sure I would’ve thought of this style as “talky” if you hadn’t said so, since you’re talking notes in tune, but I do notice how it’s distinct from what you often do, and I like it.

The top layers, that harmonic, the banjo, the slides after the chorus, add a lot.

To your point about having to do it in a short period of time, even though I’m a perfectionist at heart, I think that sometimes having to rush leads to the truest choices. I only left myself an hour for mine this time, and its gnarly, but I was happy that it all felt like what I actually wanted to say. Granted, my personal approach to NCBC projects is mixing schmixing, it’s all about the song, but I do respect the way in which others view the mix as part of the core expression. For what it’s worth though, I think this mix is pretty easy to enjoy; doesn’t take away from the song at all.

juliapikerFebruary 26, 2023 10:37pm

Oh Agasthya this is fucking dooooooope. I truly am bopping this through the entire apt. I think this mix is pretty great. It’s beefy for sure, your low mids are sitting in a delicious place though. It’s a great tone. You’re super creative and I always look forward to your stuff!

agasthyaFebruary 27, 2023 8:47am

Julia!! thank you!! I just saw someone on twitter saying that they use the Waves Vitamin plugin on the master for harmonic enhancement and I tried it on this track. it’s subtle but I think it helped clean up the mud I’m always worried about.

Sam PearceFebruary 26, 2023 10:07pm

Sick vocal tone and processing. And I also like how you hit like five different vocal approaches in a short space in way that feels natural. The breaks where the kick drops out add a lot of excitement. Also the ricocheting falsetto vocals. Made me think of the end of “Banshee Beat” by Animal Collective, even though it’s obviously a very different song.

agasthyaFebruary 27, 2023 8:45am

thanks Sam! I’ll always take an Animal Collective comparison haha!

BenFebruary 26, 2023 9:11pm

Some scorching Kendrick / .Paak vocal vibes here right off the bat.

Mix sounds pretty great to me. Dirty but clean.

Great beat.

In a new town myself recently, and experimenting with different ways of making friends with the locals. Varying success. Keep at it.

This song rocked. I still bump your NCBC stuff from last session (“i need to get tha fuck up rite!”) and can’t wait for more.

agasthyaFebruary 27, 2023 8:44am

thanks Ben! definitely was channeling some .Paak with “if you come into my house take your shoes off”. and ya baby+new town means getting more creative about meeting people and hanging out! Godspeed to you and Nora 

agasthyaFebruary 27, 2023 8:40am

loooooooove the lofi vibe of this. would love to see it progress eventually into something fully produced after the lofi bit – I can see this as an intro to a fuller arrangement. I think the melody is great!

Sam PearceFebruary 26, 2023 9:32pm

Damn this was cool. I could hear most of the lyrics but I’d be curious to read them too.

lukys7enFebruary 27, 2023 8:37am

Posted em for ya

ZFebruary 27, 2023 1:26am

Purists be damned, lava lake that mountain with Montana all day!

lizzieFebruary 27, 2023 1:19am

LOVE. this is so heartwarming. i agree with tyler about the vocal harmony at the end. your voices are like peanut butter and jelly – so different, but delicious together! so well done, xo.

lizzieFebruary 27, 2023 1:03am

seems quite right that we tie places on earth to places in imagination. super cool track. feels like a digital lake of lava that i’m down to swim in.

TylerKFebruary 26, 2023 11:40pm

Indie rock through and through. This is tight. The big vocals are cool coming of age 2011 movie trailer style. Garageband rules, which drummer did you use? Ian is my guy, he’s no nonsense. Feels like you captured the correct ~alive~ energy in your pivot. Great work.

agasthyaFebruary 26, 2023 10:21pm

i think the delivery works! and the backup vox in the chorus add the necessary body. If you have RC-20, I like to use the “cassette 1st generation” preset with the noise down on my kicks. makes them super punchy.

agasthyaFebruary 26, 2023 10:13pm

i dunno, i could hear ezra koenig singing a little ditty over this

agasthyaFebruary 26, 2023 10:11pm

i love this cricket

agasthyaFebruary 26, 2023 10:10pm

this is nice and vibey. I agree that the tinniness works in the context of the mix, although I would still bring down the highs a leeetle bit. I could see this as a “standalone” interlude track in a larger body of work, but I don’t think it needs to have a ‘first half’ added. dope dope dope

agasthyaFebruary 26, 2023 9:39pm

i really love the texture the voice memo app gives to songs on acoustic guitar. this is beautiful!

Sam PearceFebruary 26, 2023 10:07pm

Thanks, Agasthya!

RyanFebruary 26, 2023 10:04pm

This is rad. And the drums are not too trashy. What a great kick sound. Love that you celebrated the B-drone with “B” alliteration. Also shout out incorporating “vuvuzela”.

RyanFebruary 26, 2023 10:03pm

First off—welcome! Psyched to have you here!

Loving how these chords interact with the drone. Really makes the warm moments shine. The attitude of this track in general is rad. And the melody on “Barahona, Bahoruco” is super satisfying. What did you use for the drone? Love the tone of it.

Sam PearceFebruary 26, 2023 9:54pm

Hey Tyler, I thought this was sick! I’m skeptical about people’s being able to identify the DAW with any certainty, and sure that if they can, I don’t care. I use Pro Tools (inexpertly) and pretty much never think about what a piece was recorded on. I love the 3 over 4 rhythms. Danceable and emotional.

RyanFebruary 26, 2023 9:51pm

I’m with @@daeclanon the legitimacy of mixing places together. Cool track! It made me feel—and this is a compliment—gently dizzy. Like the sounds were swirling around me. Spooky and transportive.

RyanFebruary 26, 2023 9:42pm

All timbres work very well for me. Wouldn’t mind the plinky stuff being a little verbed out, but overall these are super nice sounds. Nice work, mate.

RyanFebruary 26, 2023 9:40pm

Possibly my favorite last line of all time? No regrets on the banjo for me. Works well with the cricket sounds and general outdoors / au naturel feel of the recording. Point of curiosity: is this the first ever song about the S train? Did you do any research on that? Bit of a pioneer.

BenFebruary 26, 2023 9:35pm

This is awesome. Great energy.

And yeah, I’ve heard people say that about smelling what DAW was used. Maybe some people can. I can’t. One guy who I used to intern for in college also said he could tell me how long a mic cable is just by listening to the signal. I told him “no way man” then he insisted that he “prove” it to me, by having me go into the room and talk into various mics. To this day i swear he set the whole thing up in advance just to impress me, a 20 yr old intern, because the mics were already set up and he clearly must have just memorized the different lengths of cable on each mic. i told him “wow dude thats nuts” and then after that he had me go do a coffee run.

RyanFebruary 26, 2023 9:25pm

Wowowoww so nice to see you all here

agasthyaFebruary 26, 2023 9:03pm

WOOHOO ABOUT TO LISTEN TO ALL Y’ALL!

BenFebruary 26, 2023 8:44pm

Awesome. You’re a great duo. I’m nervous for the cricket though.

daeclanFebruary 26, 2023 8:20pm

not cheating cos you ‘derived inspiration’ ! solid track, i dig the beat and spooky forest feelings

KristophFebruary 26, 2023 7:44pm

Hoooo boy, I am excited to hear these.

BenFebruary 13, 2023 12:09pm

Hello old friends.

This looks like a good one. Let’s cook.

nickFebruary 13, 2023 9:15am

👽🌏

Sam PearceFebruary 13, 2023 3:01am

‘Zones bones and drones!

RyanFebruary 12, 2023 11:23pm

C’mon gannnnnng! 😎

juliapikerFebruary 12, 2023 10:17pm

And we’re BACK baby! Love this brief

ryyymyyyApril 24, 2021 9:17pm

fucking sick Joe! love your voice and a double dose?? what have we done to deserve this xD please tell me this became a song

froebusinessMay 27, 2021 10:25am

Thanks ryguy! Methinks I’ll get this mastered and drop it this summer for my first solo track for my solo shit in my solo mode. Glad you dig.

nickApril 21, 2020 10:37pm

dude, love this. is that real acoustic piano or an *illusion*? cannot wait to hear more.

ryyymyyyApril 24, 2021 9:11pm

total slacker / space cases over here.. hoping to make an attempt at rejoining this cool community!

nurphgunApril 22, 2020 8:33pm

This is so cool. Can you post the lyrics?

ryyymyyyApril 24, 2021 9:10pm

you probably don’t care about these now but here there are any way!!

instead of an icepack a cold bath

instead of two hands on the wheel one eye in your bahahahack

instead of cracks in the cliff a home

instead of breaking up the band going it alone

instead of falling in love answering the call

instead of a well-laid plan another soft nest in a brick wall

lydiaroseSeptember 17, 2020 11:15pm

I had no idea the guitar could make all these sounds. The opening sounds a little bit like you’re underwater – really cool. I love the various sections that transition smoothly into each other. I didn’t want this to end. I feel that each section could last a bit longer to live in it a bit more, and the transitions could be even slower and more stretched out (particularly the loud section could be delayed). It puts me on an emotional journey, and I want to build up to the loud section more before arriving there. I could listen to this forever! (I know that’s the opposite of blooming and fading quickly, which I understand reflects the film, but this was just my first impression listening/feeling)

RyanSeptember 18, 2020 2:47pm

Thanks so much, Lydia! I think you’re right—it definitely needs to be stretched out to properly develop. I wanted it to be short because it’s rare to hear more than 90 seconds of music in a film straight through. But maybe this is the truncated version of what the full piece would really be. Psyched that you felt like you could stay in it for a long time!

trumpeteer123September 15, 2020 4:55am

this is awesome! love the harmonies and the oboe 🙂 lyrics are a little nebulous but I kind of dig it, but i do agree it could be good to see some specifics. love seeing other horn players/vocalists 😀 (I play trumpet and sing)

lydiaroseSeptember 17, 2020 10:51pm

thank you!

RyanSeptember 14, 2020 9:30pm

Lydia, this is awesome! Your performance is super strong. Great vocals, holy smokes.

In regards to your question, I think your lyrics are doing a pretty good job of being subtly poetic as you hoped for. I would encourage you to try getting slightly more concrete, even if it’s just for experimentation. I think sometimes it feels like the poetic aspects of a story exist in the more ethereal spaces, but concrete details that might be able to subtly carry a lot of weight can go a long way, in my opinion. I think you touched on it with “like water in my eyes”—though that’s a concrete simile, as opposed to a concrete detail, so to speak. I wonder what might come of it if you sought to incorporate a dash or two more of the tactile world.

Anyways, great work and very glad to have you here!

lydiaroseSeptember 17, 2020 10:49pm

Thanks for your insight – I will try more of that!

nickSeptember 14, 2020 10:31am

Ah I’ve never seen it… but from what I think it’s about, man it’s spot on. Regardless, super nice track. Strange high on the neck guitar strummy loop is primo, good find. I know you created it, but it feels like something found, which is a great quality to have.

RyanSeptember 15, 2020 10:45am

Well said. Love when those little diamonds show up.

Sam PearceSeptember 14, 2020 2:42am

Yeah this is beautiful, and I feel something expansive and alive, and kind of ephemeral because the song blooms and fades in a relatively short space. Cool use of percussive guitar. I can’t read kanji, but the Japanese word I know for photograph is “sashin”. Is that what these characters say?

RyanSeptember 15, 2020 10:45am

That is what these characters say! Blooming and fading pretty quickly is a big part of the film—glad the music reflect that.

alechutsonSeptember 13, 2020 11:08pm

yo i love this

nickSeptember 14, 2020 10:31am

Ah I’ve never seen it… but from what I think it’s about, man it’s spot on. Regardless, super nice track. Strange high on the neck guitar strummy loop is primo, good find. I know you created it, but it feels like something found, which is a great quality to have.

RyanSeptember 15, 2020 10:44am

Thank you, sir.

trumpeteer123September 15, 2020 4:50am

ooh very nice

lydiaroseSeptember 14, 2020 11:57am

I love the vibe of this. If you add harmonies, I think it would be really cool to have it be female vocals, especially on “I’m sad I didn’t take a chance on you.” (I would be happy to do it just to see how it sounds). The muted trumpet would also fit really nicely. I love the lyrics, how you slightly change the context of “worth being sober for,” and the lyric “when you smile the war in me pauses” – genius. The song is minimalist, so if you were to add new sections that were musically different (which I agree that it would benefit from) it does not have to change dramatically – the smallest changes will sound quite different to the listener, like the last chord. You could experiment with changing that underlying rhythmic pulse slightly, or keeping that but changing the harmonies more to change chords or change keys. It reminds me of Taylor Swift’s song “Peace” from Folklore, where that note and rhythm is played throughout the whole song but there are changes around it.

lydiaroseSeptember 14, 2020 11:23am

This totally sounds like it could be a movie soundtrack – I love the dramatic shifts (“loud louds” and “quiet quiets” really come through here). Very nice production, how did you make all these sounds? The opening instrument is so ethereal and the chorus-sounding middle section definitely makes me feel like its the end of the world!

Sam PearceSeptember 14, 2020 2:47am

Hi Lydia! This is really beautiful, and it’s so cool to hear live oboe in a piece (I play trumpet). There weren’t any lyrics that jumped out to me, but feel free to post them in the submission, and I’d be happy to listen again while reading them and share my thoughts (it’s hard for me personally to assess lyrics thoughtfully if I’m not reading them too). Psyched to have you in the community!

nickSeptember 14, 2020 10:46am

Yeah, definitely edit your submission and throw the lyrics in the description. Would love to read them!

lydiaroseSeptember 14, 2020 11:10am

Thank you for your feedback – I posted the lyrics in the description. Nice to meet you both 🙂

nickSeptember 14, 2020 10:45am

Incredible submission, Lydia! So great to hear another live instrument in the oboe. Your playing in this piece is very confident while also delicate, and paints a great picture of a cerebral moment on the island. Glad to have you on this one!

lydiaroseSeptember 14, 2020 11:09am

Thank you! 🙂

RyanSeptember 14, 2020 10:41am

Damn, this is really lovely. Love the bass movement over the melody. Love hearing the crickets in the background.

In regards to your questions, I think there’s a really natural moment for a new section after the second chorus (traditional bridge powers activated) where it could start on whatever that second chord is in the main section. I think breaking “sober” into “so-ber” in the back half of the chorus is a little clunky, because we’ve heard it as sixteenth notes so many times prior to. I’d look into tweaking that a bit. Otherwise, I’m loving these lyrics. Really great track, man.

nickSeptember 14, 2020 10:40am

Nice track, Sam. I don’t know that I’d change much of what you have, but I could imagine that last line launching into an instrumental outro that grows with dynamics, and different sounds, and gets a little wayward and embodies some of the tension between a wasted mind and a sober mind. And in regards to the two part harmony, I think some clever inclusions that expand the meaning of a few lines could be special, as if the second harmony is the other person in this story.. like “what did you want?” could be a good one.

RyanSeptember 14, 2020 10:35am

Dude this is super well done! What a great re-write. Love the arrangement and the mix on this one.

nickSeptember 14, 2020 10:27am

Dude this is great. Definitely on brand. Would love this for Dr. Who as well.

Sam PearceSeptember 14, 2020 2:51am

Hey Nick, I’m really impressed by this. Texturally it feels like a classic film score, but it has its own character and doesn’t sound like an imitation of any existing film music (as I imagine might happen if I tried this kind of arrangement). And yeah, I can dig the world’s ending but it’s k narrative.

RyanSeptember 14, 2020 9:28am

‘Classic’ is the word.

nickSeptember 14, 2020 10:24am

Thanks sam! If you haven’t seen it, check this out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ty80gJfKDlE

RyanSeptember 14, 2020 9:31am

Man, I love all those warm shifts from 0:40-0:49. And the quiet outro. This is really well written. I don’t think I would’ve gotten it right on the nose, but if I had heard the track without knowing which film it was written for, Melancholia would’ve ended up on my short list. What was your process for writing this?

nickSeptember 14, 2020 10:21am

Honestly, I was cleaning up this old melody/harmony, and I asked @@nicolemalagodipope what it sounded like, and she said Melancholia and that was that. The melody/harmony came from challenging myself to write a melody atop an endlessly chromatically descending bass line. Finding chords that the melody fit into for the loud section was a fun challenge. I haven’t written something with 9 different chords in a row in a long time.

Sam PearceSeptember 14, 2020 2:54am

Admittedly, I’ve never seen Mad Men, but this is very exciting music. I can imagine a montage of serious-faced main characters doing risky things and my being pulled into the show.

KristophAugust 31, 2020 7:31pm

🙏 honored, bud. Can’t wait to hear the final result.

Sam PearceSeptember 14, 2020 2:03am

Thanks, dude. Look forward to sharing it.

RyanSeptember 1, 2020 12:22pm

Powerful story, my man. And a smart, unique approach to the assignment. <3

Sam PearceSeptember 14, 2020 2:03am

Thanks man. <3

nurphgunSeptember 1, 2020 9:16pm

This was a very cool approach to this challenge. It can’t have been easy to write this song and I appreciate your bravery in sharing it. It almost has a spoken-word/confessional/religious feel to it.

Sam PearceSeptember 14, 2020 2:02am

Thank you, Nora 🙂

skstoxdaleSeptember 9, 2020 8:52pm

just discovered this via carseats cover. And yayyyyyyy. It does just get better and better.

skstoxdaleSeptember 9, 2020 8:48pm

yes this is stuck in my head!

skstoxdaleSeptember 9, 2020 8:46pm

oh man love this. So smooth and soothing, but just fun at the same time. Nice mixing and love the drums!

alechutsonSeptember 1, 2020 10:56am

this is so lovely, i am honored! i love your voice on this. it’s funny how the intro sounds like No Surprises when played on guitar hehe

skstoxdaleSeptember 9, 2020 8:41pm

hehe, not sure if I got the progression right, especially the “bridge.” But such a beautiful song. Thanks for writing and sharing it. And letting me fuck it up <3

RyanSeptember 1, 2020 12:27pm

Love how genuine and committed this is. You’ve also got a great natural vocal tone.

In regards to your Garageband comment, YouTube tutorials are a true miracle nowadays. Though I might mention, it’ll never be too too friendly until you’ve got a couple of decent microphones in the mix. Also @@nick is a straight-up GB wizard, if you ever wanna pick his brain.

skstoxdaleSeptember 9, 2020 8:39pm

Dope, thank you for the suggestions!

nurphgunSeptember 1, 2020 9:42pm

This was great. Your voice is lovely and it’s a super genuine performance. As a fan and friend of @@alechutsonand his music, it was so cool to hear this. It totally reinforced for me just how awesome a songwriter Alec is that his songs are so beautiful, memorable, playable, and singable. They just have that undeniable quality and structure. So cheers to you both!

alechutsonSeptember 2, 2020 9:29pm

❤ ❤ ❤ ❤

skstoxdaleSeptember 9, 2020 8:38pm

Shucks, glad you enjoyed. Yes, I agree on all these fronts. It was so enjoyable to just run with the beautiful simplicity of this song. Let’s make a fan club!

skstoxdaleSeptember 9, 2020 8:35pm

Love this Karan. Wish it was longer!

RyanSeptember 8, 2020 1:34pm

Really dope arrangement and percussion work. Love hearing your buttery freakin’ vocals. Loving the bass performance, too. Couple of tangy high frequencies in here that I wouldn’t mind battling, but other than that it sounds cool as hell.

nickSeptember 4, 2020 10:48am

@@Kyle check out that gated side-chain action at the end there. subtle, but i think it’s doing its job. thank u for the guidance, chef.

peterSeptember 1, 2020 10:13am

ben your vocals are great! i love the movement around the space, behind the couch and up and down from the clouds and into the fishtank

BenSeptember 1, 2020 10:24am

peter now i want to cover this poem that you just wrote 👆

nurphgunSeptember 2, 2020 12:56pm

^ Yes, we can finally hear your voice clearly in the mix! Your sweet, light, falsetto is shining anddd I can understand all the lyrics. Sounds incredible.

kurdsAugust 31, 2020 8:37am

Ben, I am humbled. Absolutely love this– Sheena and I chilled hard to this last night. That punchy bass is so sick. Overall this gave me some solid tv on the radio vibes.

kurdsSeptember 2, 2020 12:23pm

I’ve had this stuck in my head the last few days, love this, my dude.

kurdsSeptember 2, 2020 12:23pm

Damn, this was cool! Very haunting. Echoing @@nurphgun, the synth is awesome. I’m completely with you on mixing, it is baffling. Gonna have to ask you for some trumpet at some point…and that guitar lick at 1:40 is sick– what’d you use for that sound?

peterSeptember 2, 2020 11:50am

@@Carseat you are the coolest.

college tip: play music

nurphgunSeptember 1, 2020 9:57pm

Love.it.

nurphgunSeptember 1, 2020 9:27pm

This is awesome. It pulled me in right away. I love the instrumentation and sounds.

nurphgunSeptember 1, 2020 9:29pm

If you were to do a future iteration of this, or do something similar with your own lyrics/melody, I’d love for it to be a bit longer, or to fade out more gradually.

nurphgunSeptember 1, 2020 9:23pm

Love the synths in this. I’ve also been having a blast with sounds like this lately. I am very new to mixing so I can’t help much, but I think adding an otherworldly element to the vocals–some kind of delay or reverb–would help them sit better within the sounds of the rest of the tune.

nurphgunSeptember 1, 2020 9:12pm

This is so beautiful Nicole. I agree with @@alechutsonabout the Sylvan Esso vibe. Your voice has always reminded me of hers – but it’s also the overall composition like you said, how it starts stark and then becomes celebratory – reminds me of the way “Coffee” progresses.

RyanSeptember 1, 2020 12:00pm

Indiana Jones has entered the chat

juliapikerSeptember 1, 2020 1:38pm

you mean like write a new theme to an existing movie that has a theme?

RyanSeptember 1, 2020 1:41pm

@@juliapiker yep! Like, put any well-known movie on mute and write a new score for it. I’m just specifying a new “main theme”—the part of the score that everybody freakin’ ~remembers~

juliapikerSeptember 1, 2020 1:36pm

dude whaaaaat. this is so so cool! i love love love your guitars and your smooth silky vox. you rock!!!!

also can’t believe you actually decoded the lyrics. apologies for not posting but you nailed it!

peterSeptember 1, 2020 10:08am

the intro feels like the cure in the best way

RyanSeptember 1, 2020 12:23pm

Truly

RyanSeptember 1, 2020 12:23pm

Doooope. The guitars are very Steve Reich-y and I’m freaking very into it.

alechutsonSeptember 1, 2020 10:50am

i am honored!! listened 4 times already. so cool to hear your version. i love the synth bass sound you chose, and great friggin guitar playing as per usual!

RyanSeptember 1, 2020 12:04pm

Glad you dig it! It’s so much less elegant than yours lol, and for that bastardization I am sorry. One thing that I really wish I got to spend more time with is development and transitions—yours are so nice and subtle. Oh well, it’s a rock version I guess haha.

RyanSeptember 1, 2020 12:06pm

Did get awfully excited about my version of your chorus, though!

peterSeptember 1, 2020 10:34am

identified immediately! s=Etonia (@alechutson) is one of my fav submissions to date.. got very excited and this delivered, great guitarwork. @@alechutsonyou were popular this assignment!

RyanSeptember 1, 2020 12:04pm

Right whoops, forgot I wasn’t supposed to reveal the original author! Thx mate, geet for life.

alechutsonSeptember 1, 2020 10:58am

mmmm yes i love this. giving me some sylvan esso vibes. great job you two!

alechutsonSeptember 1, 2020 10:45am

this is great, love the guitar textures and energy that they lend to your cover.

woo college! i can’t speak for college during COVID, but i’d say be open to new experiences, don’t drink too much, and remember that often the best lessons come from outside the classroom

RmalSeptember 1, 2020 8:32am

Wow!!!! Nicole and Nick…I love it….what amazing talent you both have, and the willingness to share it. So proud 😊

peterSeptember 1, 2020 10:41am

welcome rick 🤘

peterSeptember 1, 2020 10:20am

@@kurds this is great! i don’t think the whisper vocals are too weird but i think the texture could be softened even further if you recorded the vocals 2/3 times and layered the tracks.

kurdsSeptember 1, 2020 10:35am

Hadn’t even considered layering, will try that next time, thanks!

nickSeptember 1, 2020 8:11am

yo you should propose an assignment 😈

alechutsonSeptember 1, 2020 10:15am

i though i did, maybe i submitted it in the wrong place?

kurdsSeptember 1, 2020 8:40am

This is so goddamned smooth. It just needs a music video with you and Ben swaying in leg warmers.

kurdsAugust 16, 2020 8:53pm

Damn, this is so meditative. Sheena and I love your voice!

nicolemalagodipopeSeptember 1, 2020 7:51am

Yeah, coming back to this one. 🤘

nickSeptember 1, 2020 7:52am

Me too

nickAugust 6, 2020 11:28am

oh dude this guitar part and playing is incredible. @@Z feel like you would dig this string strummin’. Mother Mother and Jeff for sure. Honestly, I think mixing is really nice. I’m not gonna mention the buzzing in the guitar. Not even gonna mention it. But seriously, i love the balance you tend to reach of familiar and unique guitar/piano progressions. great job.

alechutsonAugust 6, 2020 11:44am

Thanks dude!! Gotta get that buzz fixed………

nickAugust 6, 2020 11:44am

what buzz i didn’t mention a buzz

ZAugust 31, 2020 5:44pm

What a performance! Certainly don’t need any work on that. As far as mixing goes, since it’s already very stable and clear I’d say small global changes in EQ , comp or verb would be rewarding. Personally I want more warmth out of the mix. Depending on your DAW even just putting on whatever “vintage” like Pultec emulator on but not actually turning any knobs – just to adding a little analog blanket. Share details on the recording process? Great work!

alechutsonSeptember 1, 2020 12:22am

Thanks @@Z 🙂 guitar and vocals recorded through zoom h4n. I recorded the guitar in my backyard, which is where some of the ambient noise is coming in. I’ve been mixing in Ableton

Sam PearceAugust 26, 2020 1:29am

Undecided, but I would totally pay for this song.

ZAugust 31, 2020 10:41pm

lmao

ZAugust 31, 2020 6:35pm

When D’SWSs inevitably wins a CLIO this year, I think you should have the snare hit at 1:39 come up on stage to accept the award.

RyanAugust 31, 2020 6:45pm

“And the award for comment of the year goes to…” — Miss Clio

ZAugust 31, 2020 10:38pm

💘

CarseatAugust 31, 2020 9:12am

OH MY GOD YOU DIDN’T

CarseatAugust 31, 2020 9:13am

THIS IS EVERYTHING I NEEDED

nurphgunAugust 31, 2020 9:36am

🐟 🙌

RyanAugust 31, 2020 6:47pm

At first, these emojis weren’t populating and so it was just a blank comment. And I was like, “damn Nora that’s super clever — Darcy had said this was everything they needed and so Nora commented literally nothing.”

RyanAugust 31, 2020 6:47pm

Anyways, dope track. I really like 80s-ish Nora-stuff.

BenAugust 31, 2020 8:10pm

lololol

ZAugust 31, 2020 6:42pm

Damn Ben perfect production take! I felt like I was back in MA in ’95!

ZAugust 31, 2020 6:39pm

i fulfill my needs,

^^great merch opp

Sam PearceAugust 30, 2020 10:37pm

This is outstanding! I’m also a fan of Julia’s original, and I feel like you preserved half of its DNA transformed the other half, which I think I like when I listen to covers.

nurphgunAugust 31, 2020 3:12pm

exactly!

Sam PearceAugust 31, 2020 10:42am

This is beautiful, Nicole! It makes me happy to hear this song again, in its new form. Possibly fun fact – I came up with the melody that inspired Ryan using words from the aria “Che Gelida Manina” by Giacomo Puccini.

RyanAugust 31, 2020 9:59am

This is so, so good Nicole. Feeling very happy and honored that this version exists. Also shout-out to @@Sam Pearce whose melody was an inspiration for my version!

kurdsAugust 31, 2020 8:33am

Damn, you’ve got that stuff. So happy to see your sweet take on what is easily one of my favorite songs that’s been submitted. And you’re just going to college?! You’re gonna rock at open mic nights. Try all the things, and remember to eat some fruit from time to time.

kurdsAugust 31, 2020 8:25am

Damn, what a tune. Really enjoyed your subdued vocals, very calming– you gotta lend your voice more often!

obloAugust 30, 2020 9:14pm

I absolutely love this! The production is so smooth, and the kind of faded drum beat blends really nicely.

obloAugust 30, 2020 9:02pm

That guitar groove is addicting

daeclanAugust 16, 2020 9:48pm

i love this angle & story. i think the delivery fits really nicely (but you’d know the reference point better ofc). re: stock pedals and amps, i think they are good for practice but i like pushing into stuff that is unique to the project. somehow mixing in something you find out there makes it more personal and deep for me. depends on the project tho.

kurdsAugust 30, 2020 6:42pm

thanks dude, i gotta spend more time on these and do a deep dive.

RyanAugust 17, 2020 1:57pm

This was transportive! Absolutely love “hachachachachachacha” haha.

Stock samples can be totally fine as long as they’re high quality enough. In terms of mix, watch out for samples that automatically show up as stereo wide. Often need to narrow them so you can put them where you want in your mix.

Pedals and amps are trickier. Amp-sims have come a really long way, so those can work out some times. Nothing beats an actual tube amp for me (yikes I sound like one of those guys, but it’s true). But I have yet to meet a pedal sim that I enjoy. Might as well skip to FX-y plug-ins for those kinds of things.

BenAugust 19, 2020 5:11pm

Hey Ryan, you want some vinyl records and a chemex coffee maker with those tube amps because you sound like a… oh.. wait… i… actually… totally agree with you.

kurdsAugust 30, 2020 6:39pm

thanks and thanks for the wisdom folks 👊

the ahchachacha was from this one old dude on a train late at night in India years ago. He’d just randomly bust that out from time to time during our journey.

juliapikerAugust 17, 2020 2:00pm

this is very pretty . and super nice and vibey

kurdsAugust 30, 2020 6:38pm

from the ice cream queen herself? i am honored.

alechutsonAugust 19, 2020 11:30am

This is super pretty. I enjoy imagining myself in your childhood memory. Might take you up on the ginger tea sometime 🙃

kurdsAugust 30, 2020 6:36pm

yess, please do! 

BenAugust 19, 2020 5:17pm

!!

achaachachachaa

I think with every song you publish, you seem to be improving your tones, performances, singing, arranging, and mixing. As Ryan said, be careful with some of the stock sounds/instruments. I think the shaker doesn’t sit great with the rest of the mix. Try adjusting the stereo width, the EQ, and/or the reverb to make it sit better.

kurdsAugust 30, 2020 6:36pm

Thanksss 🙏 Noted, will do!

kurdsAugust 30, 2020 6:32pm

Loved this– gave me a good reason to listen to everyone’s old work.

BenAugust 27, 2020 2:30pm

one of the best jingles that never was: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s492PMdIaJs

peterAugust 26, 2020 10:37am

ben been on the head

BenAugust 27, 2020 11:04am

cone caddy been on the cone

peterAugust 27, 2020 2:02pm

🍦💦

BenAugust 19, 2020 4:50pm

It’s amazing that David is able to afford a 2 minute spot. So baller.

BenAugust 19, 2020 4:52pm

Small sandwiches; long ass jingle.

BenAugust 19, 2020 4:55pm

Also, to be totally honest, growing up, i literally always thought the sandwiches i got packed in my lunchbox were too big and too dry. It made me hate sandwiches for years.

Ironically, these large, dry sandwiches were often prepared by my dad, David.

RyanAugust 27, 2020 1:52pm

I thought about cutting the outro and then decided that a brand like David’s would put everything they have into their jingle.

RyanAugust 17, 2020 8:58am

Dude. The hook and the drums are soooo good. Dying.

nickAugust 18, 2020 10:12am

hahahaha cant stop laughing

BenAugust 27, 2020 11:08am

🙏

skstoxdaleAugust 21, 2020 6:37pm

This is truly spectacular and also extremely catchy. If I could get a cone caddy, I would, because I’ve been humming this tune all over the place. Is the correct phrasing “gotta dip bip dop dip cone caddy”? Just wanna make sure I’m getting it right.

summah is truly here

BenAugust 27, 2020 11:06am

🎶 Got a drippin’ melty coooone, daddy! 🥁 Cone Caddy, Today!

RyanAugust 17, 2020 12:11pm

Welcome! This was ~very stinking fun~. Mixing and dynamics are good for me—might want to consider some (more?) room verb to blend things together more. How are you recording?

skstoxdaleAugust 17, 2020 2:19pm

welll… the internal mic on my macbook. but I do have an h1n1 recorder that I might be able to use in the future (?!?) Working with minimal gear. But yes, thank you, I will explore this room verb you speak of. youtube here I come.

skstoxdaleAugust 24, 2020 9:08pm

um, by h1n1 I mean h4n…. got viruses on the brain 😂

peterAugust 16, 2020 9:31pm

ohhh WOW WOW WOW WOW

peterAugust 17, 2020 1:51pm

the last drum fill vaults straight out of the mix right into my backyard

BenAugust 19, 2020 5:22pm

Chrisophah Kokorus, and his family, are flatted to hear that.

kurdsAugust 16, 2020 9:19pm

Holy shit. Is this you speaking?! I feel like I was transported back in time. The vibe is PERFECT. Also, I admire your dedication to the prompt by changing your picture.

kurdsAugust 16, 2020 9:47pm

Definitely reminds me of all the local ads on tv when I lived in Quincy.

BenAugust 19, 2020 5:21pm

It is me speaking! With one of my favorite varieties of Boston accent. And some messing around with pitch and formants.

daeclanAugust 16, 2020 9:52pm

outstanding work. i can feels the black, warm plastic of the vhs cassette when i listen to this. also, my good buddy’s last name is cone and i’d def scoop him a cone daddy.

BenAugust 19, 2020 5:20pm

Oh for sure. A free Cone Caddy for the Cone Daddy.

nickAugust 17, 2020 1:41pm

just totally incredible

nickAugust 17, 2020 1:45pm

transportive

BenAugust 19, 2020 5:19pm

transportive… to Route 1 The Automile in Norwood in 1996, hopefully.

juliapikerAugust 17, 2020 1:57pm

everything about this. your voice. the product. it’s effective, haunting, DAUNTING, just everything I want in a jingle.

BenAugust 19, 2020 5:17pm

Call today!

alechutsonAugust 18, 2020 12:35pm

From our family to yours! Don’t know why but this reminds me of bowling

BenAugust 19, 2020 5:17pm

Yeah, it does. Why tho?

BenAugust 19, 2020 5:05pm

Welcome! I had no idea what I was in for when i clicked play on this. so tight, hilarious, cheerfully chirpy, and, odd. Laughed the whole time.

Where… did… this… jingle… come… from? How did you write it?

skeeeeeeeee

bop

BenAugust 19, 2020 5:00pm

Guess i didnt get cc’d on the Wet Foods Memo? Here I am writing jingles about protecting people from the inconveniences of wet ice cream and you and Ryan are over here openly celebrating wetness in foods. I feel foolish.

Great work on this.

I need dat WET EGG.

BenAugust 19, 2020 4:56pm

Let’s literally buy one.

BenAugust 19, 2020 4:49pm

I love a good “[insert brand name] TODAY”

BenAugust 19, 2020 4:48pm

this is so insane.

BenAugust 19, 2020 4:47pm

Thank you, daddy, for this jingle.

alechutsonAugust 19, 2020 11:23am

Dude I’ve listened to this like 10 times and showed everyone in my house

nickAugust 18, 2020 10:08am

wow incredible addition. lolled all the way through. super tight pitch, rhythm, phrasing. very well done. I’d *love* if you added the lyrics to the description 🙂

peterAugust 19, 2020 8:07am

+1 on that!

skstoxdaleAugust 19, 2020 11:13am

just added them. Depending on the depths of your soul, they may or may not mean something to you.

juliapikerAugust 17, 2020 1:59pm

I can’t get this out of my head.

love the word play wet/dry, small/big

this is so so good

RyanAugust 17, 2020 2:03pm

Thank you. Please let me know if you would like to help fund my (David’s) start-up.

peterAugust 19, 2020 9:19am

@@nick was singing this first thing this morning, but it was already in my head

RyanAugust 19, 2020 9:43am

@@peter wrote this, I would say, 99% for you.

nickAugust 18, 2020 10:16am

this assignment has given me so much joy. i feel like everyone in the world needs to hear all of these.

alechutsonAugust 18, 2020 12:37pm

Listening through these feels like watching an episode of Rick and Morty Interdimensional Cable

nickAugust 18, 2020 3:40pm

lol too true

nickAugust 17, 2020 2:46pm

just keep pokin’ those numbers. very strong piece, very strong concept. very good opportunity for merch.

RyanAugust 18, 2020 12:39pm

Waiting on your hoodie design. Thanks.

peterAugust 17, 2020 1:37pm

coming soon i guess 1-800-CatDetective.com

BenAugust 17, 2020 1:49pm

glad to see this.

nickAugust 18, 2020 10:21am

yes, i hope everyone has checked out the site, for what it’s worth.

RyanAugust 18, 2020 12:37pm

Oh god yes.

alechutsonAugust 18, 2020 12:34pm

So cute and innocent ♥️

alechutsonAugust 18, 2020 12:31pm

This is a gift. Daddy’s gift.

juliapikerAugust 17, 2020 1:58pm

helpful. and necessary. thanks for the ultimate product. also love the RAW vibes.

nickAugust 18, 2020 10:21am

please dont hesitate to call/log-in simultaneously.

BenAugust 17, 2020 1:51pm

the performance here is low key great

BenAugust 17, 2020 1:51pm

gtr/vocals are both, like, really nicely done.

nickAugust 18, 2020 10:21am

🙏

RyanAugust 17, 2020 12:04pm

Like, a very good guitar performance though.

nickAugust 18, 2020 10:21am

thank u my dude. tryna get my fabrizio on.

kurdsAugust 16, 2020 9:34pm

Your lyrics are great! Groovy jingle 😽

nickAugust 18, 2020 10:17am

🕵

nickAugust 18, 2020 10:17am

comin back for more, fyi.

nickAugust 18, 2020 10:13am

you are truly a freak

nickAugust 18, 2020 10:13am

💕

nickAugust 18, 2020 10:11am

super cute, and perfect percussion at the end. also love that you fit FORLORN into the lyrics.

juliapikerAugust 17, 2020 2:02pm

lol. this is fantastic. WHAT IS IT GIRL section is just so freaking cute.

<3

nickAugust 18, 2020 10:10am

agreeed.. what is it girl, are you hungry for food?

nickAugust 17, 2020 5:50pm

so many great options. i want to do ten.

juliapikerAugust 17, 2020 2:01pm

sing me to sleep Mr.Sandman<3

skstoxdaleAugust 17, 2020 2:31pm

😊

daeclanAugust 16, 2020 9:43pm

it is so nice to hear this style & you do it so nicely 🙂 delightful.

skstoxdaleAugust 17, 2020 2:21pm

niiice. thanks! considering your computer is in the shop, weteggs.com was still highly satisfying.

kurdsAugust 16, 2020 9:22pm

SARAH, YESS. Welcome and great job! Love the lyrics and arrangement. This is so fun.

skstoxdaleAugust 17, 2020 2:19pm

yesss. so glad you roped me into this.

skstoxdaleAugust 16, 2020 10:09pm

I’m noticing that many people are advertising wet foods. And it’s exciting.

nickAugust 17, 2020 1:52pm

yeah cheers to that

RyanAugust 17, 2020 2:11pm

Yeah wow. Some wetness, some daddies and caddies. Some ~synchronization~.

RyanAugust 17, 2020 1:48pm

Love that roll into the intro. This is great. I think my only two mix notes are that the vocals are a bit swallowed up by the orchestration (especially in the beginning) — I think cutting some lows and adding some highs might help separate those out a bit. Hook sits nicely, though!

nurphgunAugust 17, 2020 2:08pm

Sweet, thank you! Agree about the vocals in the beginning.

skstoxdaleAugust 16, 2020 10:14pm

loved this. Sounds like a pampers ad.

nurphgunAugust 17, 2020 2:07pm

Thank you! That’s what I was going for!

kurdsAugust 16, 2020 9:24pm

This is so goofy, love the sounds you threw in. Definitely would have kids singing this and driving their parents mad. “don’t let your doggy down” oddly soothing to hear.

kurdsAugust 16, 2020 9:49pm

By the way, we want to know, what exactly is a Pupzzle?

nurphgunAugust 17, 2020 2:07pm

It’s a puzzle for puppies to keep them busy when they’re being annoying 🐶

kurdsAugust 16, 2020 9:30pm

I want to fckin mosh and slip a small wet one in. Sweet horns and guitar licks. You sold me.

RyanAugust 17, 2020 2:01pm

I was moshing by myself making this. Ever think about how ravioli are small wet sandwiches? This is the sort of realization that truly digging into oneself can unearth.

alechutsonAugust 16, 2020 9:37pm

I am blown away. Fuck

alechutsonAugust 16, 2020 9:37pm

It’s…. It’s perfect

RyanAugust 17, 2020 2:00pm

*bows respectfully*

juliapikerAugust 17, 2020 1:59pm

this is an INCREDIBLE demo.

there’s a lot of wetness this week and I sure do like it.

daeclanAugust 16, 2020 9:40pm

this is an anthem. those harmonies. small and wet. lovely.

RyanAugust 17, 2020 1:59pm

Been fucking waiting for my pop punk youth to show up with an anthem that my heart could sing for the rest of my life.

RyanAugust 17, 2020 1:58pm

“Post-rock” fuck yeah.

Let me know if you ever want to make an extra wet extra small egg sandwich.

nickAugust 17, 2020 1:57pm

touching. my heart, my stomach—truly touched. This is my favorite phone number melody. That “fifteen” really hits the spot.

nickAugust 17, 2020 1:54pm

such dedication. raw. powerful. just the way a jingle should be.

kurdsAugust 16, 2020 9:33pm

What up, Daeclan, long time! You coordinate with wet sandwich man? That’s a whole wet snack right there. Reminds me of the dudes who would try and sell stuff on the subway, very compelling case.

RyanAugust 17, 2020 1:49pm

I wish. It’s my dream to collab with Dec on a wet track concerning wetness.

nickAugust 17, 2020 1:47pm

perfectly dreamy and nightmarish. ill be soothingly haunted for years to come.

RyanAugust 17, 2020 12:13pm

The intro is soooo good lol. I do not want any of Daddy’s gifts.

RyanAugust 17, 2020 12:06pm

This made me want poutine. Success.

daeclanAugust 16, 2020 9:50pm

oh my god this sounds like youtube pet ads so much, which i mean in the best way. re: mix, i don’t have headphones but the jingle feeling is there! a modern jingle.

daeclanAugust 16, 2020 9:45pm

jesus christ this is so clean. incredible work. i wish i could wake up to daddy’s gifts.

kurdsAugust 16, 2020 9:28pm

Woah, the mix on this is impressive. Felt like this could have easily launched into Barbie Girl. Those keys and bass are wicked.

kurdsAugust 16, 2020 9:20pm

Goddamnit, I’m hungry now. Sounds like an ad I’d hear on NPR back in the early 90s, or on Frasier. Beautiful vocals 🙂

kurdsAugust 16, 2020 8:57pm

What a MOOD. That’s some wild synth.

alechutsonAugust 6, 2020 11:09am

Hahaha yesssss this is like early strokes or something.

kurdsAugust 16, 2020 8:50pm

🙏🏾 Thanksss!

RyanAugust 6, 2020 12:45pm

Yes—dark, hammered disco.

At the 1:02 mark, when the bass changes to a fuzzier tone, a lot of its body disappears. I think it’s super important for that to stick around! Comes back at 1:27 and feels better. If you need a suggestion of 1 or 12 fuzz pedals to buy, I gotchyou!

RyanAugust 6, 2020 12:46pm

For the body of the tone to stick around* — in case that wasn’t clear.

kurdsAugust 16, 2020 8:49pm

Sick, definitely interested! I’ve been using the stock pedals in logic so I’m super out of my element in terms of getting a certain sound.

nurphgunAugust 5, 2020 3:31pm

Yesss I have to echo everyone else here about how incredible this is. You write such catchy melodies! It’s been stuck in my head. It’s delightfully seedy and shady. “Buttercup” is such a good touch, I lol’ed.

kurdsAugust 16, 2020 8:48pm

I’m in for it the lols, thanks for the encouragement 🙂

nickAugust 12, 2020 10:46am

best mix yet! just keeps getting better. how much fun is that grinding bass?? so great.

kurdsAugust 16, 2020 8:47pm

Yeahhh, thanks bud.

trumpeteer123August 13, 2020 12:39am

reminds me a lil of Franz Ferdinand, and I agree about early strokes lol.

some of the lyrics especially around the 1 min mark become a little fuzzy but if that’s all part of the mood I don’t necessarily think you need to change it

kurdsAugust 16, 2020 8:47pm

Damn, I’m humbled to even sound vaguely like those bands, thank you! I’m working on sounding clearer so I’ll keep that in mind.

BenAugust 3, 2020 10:04am

At first, when that first note was happening at the beginning, I was like: ok, what am I in for?

Then the beat drops and I literally (and Nora can confirm) was like “OH SHIT THIS IS BADASS. THIS IS EARLY WEEN.”

This is so short and lo-fi but is extremely musical. I really like the drum composition and sounds too. The lyrics are hilarious and weirdly catchy. The tones are trashy and sound great. What are those insane tones (at the intro, 1:18, and 1:41). Makes me want to eat some glue then go get some cheesesteaks.

Love the lyric: So I’m hopin’ we can go / To a time where weekends weren’t so cold

I think the arrangement/form is great – weird intro -> verse suddenly comes in out of nowhere and even the drums are caught off guard -> nice little tiny drum breaks scattered throughout -> mini solo -> finally a chorus -> more weirdness -> sudden end.

Check out Pure Guava by Ween if you haven’t already – third album – super early, lo-fi, funny and scary, and somehow badass and high quality. Your tune is one of the only songs that really gives me those vibes – I feel like it can be tempting for artists to squeeze out rough, lo-fi track that aren’t really finished, call it art and cite early Ween, and slap it on bandcamp, but those always run the risk of getting old or tiring. Songs on that album that remind me of this: Springtheme, Little Birdy, The Goin Gets Touch From the Getgo, Pumpin’ 4 The Man.

Great work! 

BenAugust 3, 2020 10:18am

Goin Gets Tough* From the Getgo.

dammit

kurdsAugust 16, 2020 8:44pm

Thanks for this! Your write-ups are always the best. Really appreciate the kind words and enthusiasm. And thanks for the introduction to Ween as well!

peterAugust 13, 2020 5:48pm

yeah! wow, echoing everyone’s love here. your guitarwork is fantastic. i dig the micing of the guitar, it’s super present, crisp and dynamic without being polished. the buzz is kinda interesting and i’m curious if it would be possible to “play the buzz”, run it through some pedals, get stoned and blast off into space.

this is super super strong work, awesome job!

nickAugust 6, 2020 9:53am

@@juliapiker would love to hear goat girl on this one

BenAugust 7, 2020 9:45am

🙌

peterAugust 13, 2020 9:03am

new’mproved dairy-free heavy goat crème @@juliapiker wow

trumpeteer123August 13, 2020 12:49am

gives me a nostalgic and slightly frantic feel but not in a bad way? I like the juxt between long vocal rhythm and fast rhythmic accomp.

BenAugust 3, 2020 9:33am

This is great and gritty and I feel like both the rhythms and the tones match the vibe of the key: all 3 are unsettling and on edge. This is pretty classic. Also, I love a good short one.

A quip:

I don’t have the theory knowledge to know if this is actually true, but I do have a distinct memory about Locrian as a key. When I was 14 or 15, I brought a Zappa song in to my guitar teacher and I claimed that it was “in” Locrian. He claimed that you can’t have a song be IN Locrian — you can have the Locrian mode be very present in a song, you can solo in it using Locrian, and the chords can even “return home” to a m7b5 – but it still can’t be in Locrian. I think he was speaking from a classical and jazz background, but he said it was something about how it can’t resolve on a m7b5. Obviously I want to disagree because “resolving” should be completely subjective, but I think he cited some theory/math reason why it can’t resolve on a m7b5 chord (maybe according to the Music Theory definition of “resolve”) and therefor its not in Locrian.

But then at the end of his rant he said something along the lines of “But who the fuck cares, if you want to write a song in Locrian, write your song in Locrian and say that it’s Locrian. None of this fuckin shit really matters, man.”

So I went forth and treated Locrian as a key if I wanted to, and 15 or 16 years later commented on my friend’s Locrian song just to make him aware it may not be an actual key, according to Jeff. Shout out to Jeff, hope he’s doing good.

nickAugust 6, 2020 11:17am

yeah that’s super interesting and makes a fair amount of sense. i can also understand the side that’s a little more, “what does resolve really mean?” I feel like there is a lot of talk that’s subjective in feeeeling like something is the root or base of the song, but again, what does that actually amount to. @@mattaucoin …. ?

mattaucoinAugust 6, 2020 5:40pm

first of all, i’m a big fan of this one. nico, I think you nailed the atmosphere – makes me feel queasy.

and yeah, “resolution” is a slippery thing to define. ben, i’d venture to say your teacher was being a little too dogmatic. even if a given mode resists a sense of complete resolution (which the locrian mode does), that doesn’t mean that a song can’t be in that mode from beginning to end – ain’t no law that says a song has to resolve at the end.

trumpeteer123August 13, 2020 12:46am

hello! I can chime on this, it is “technically” not possible to have a song in Locrian as Imin7(b5) as home key creates the tritone between the 1 and the b5 which is the jazz theory def of “unstable” and wants to resolve somewhere else. It creates a nice struggle where your ear is searching, which I actually think is super interesting to play around with as a feeling. (also in classical the tritone was called “the devils interval” which I find hilarious to think about someone getting damned to “hell” for using one interval too much LOL). It usually has a strong pull a 1/2 step up to Ionian or a 4th up to Phrygian (or in a II-V to Aeolian 😀 )

Phrygian is the closest to Locrian, can be “technically” used as a home key, this is because its only structural difference to Locrian is that is has the natural ^5. I hear the beginning of the tune as being in Phrygian and then with that sick “ahh” using the diminished scale I just hear it as a “diminished” pattern. But I also think that I have spent time studying the other modes cadential chords etc and that if locrian can’t sound “stable” as home key, it doesn’t mean you can’t make cool sounds with those characteristics in mind.

Oh, god, I sound really academic in this comment so if anything feels confused or has any other questions I am a huge theory nerd…

trumpeteer123August 13, 2020 12:37am

smooooth

nurphgunAugust 12, 2020 11:43am

Alec this is incredible. It’s very gentle and lovely. The guitar playing is dope even with the 🐝 🐝 🐝

BenAugust 12, 2020 11:18am

MM and JB are exactly the 2 that come to mind here. Very JB with the “Patience, pleasure, money and time” flow.

This is seriously such a great song. The performances are really really great too. Worth the wait. You should def record another version with more buzz because I didn’t get enough in this version.

nickAugust 12, 2020 10:11am

this is really cool detour from your normal stuff (not that I don’t love your normal stuff). still very much feels like you, but the chord progression and rhythm create a new emotional space. a little less straightforward, more wandering, less tangerine, more dark lagoon. great vocal melody over those chords. mix wise, I just think the guitars could recede a bit, and the drums could maybe come a little closer and feel a little fuller/wider.

nickAugust 12, 2020 10:02am

big fan of this vibe for you. synthy bright unapologetic. i think the energy is great. i love the vocal. perhaps mixing it slightly brighter? fiercer? more of an 80s plate reverb? the vocal take feels slightly dark and moody, which i love in contrast to the rest of the music, so i think combining a slightly moodier take with a brighter funkier vocal mix/effect may be primo.

RyanAugust 3, 2020 2:58pm

That synth entrance is a big yumzilla for me. Love when a new ground layer enters and shifts an entire piece. Super dope palm-muted guitar part, too. Did you perform or program that? It is very tight. Cool return to the style of some of your earlier work but with a lot more refined selection. I dig this quite a bit. Do you feel this is fully fleshed out, or would you consider returning to it and drawing it out more?

nickAugust 6, 2020 11:20am

Hey thanks, no real plans for the tune. I don’t feel like it’s fully fleshed out, but i will probably leave it be for now… laying dormant perhaps. The guitar was, like s=Was It A Car Or A Cat I Saw (@nick), played and recorded, then chopped up and quantized.

RyanAugust 6, 2020 12:47pm

I have ~got to try this approach~

BenAugust 6, 2020 4:11pm

Yeah that’s crazy. I would love to experiment with this.@@nick when you quantize this [analog] guitar, do you have to sample it and then play it through a software instrument keyboard to quantize it? Or is there some way in logic to quantize audio instruments that I don’t know about?

nickAugust 6, 2020 4:12pm

Nope, all manual. Cutting up the waveforms and adjusting each one right where i want it on the grid.

BenAugust 7, 2020 9:38am

first of all thanks for the PROMPT reply.

Ah yes of course. I do this with vocals sort of often. Amazing what you can do when you purposely go overboard with editing, and use editing/chopping almost as an instrument or as an effect.

Also on this most recent listen, really liking those ride bell stabs toward the end.

nickAugust 7, 2020 11:56am

i actually dusted off my Celtic Hammered Dulcimer for those stabs 🇨🇮

alechutsonAugust 6, 2020 11:39am

Hey dude! This seems like a great meditation and exploration of a concept. Your piano playing is on point as per usual. I would move forward with this by listening back to this recording and picking out the moments that worked best, then building off of that. I would love to hear more lyrics and intention with how you and Alice are interweaving.

nickAugust 7, 2020 11:50am

Totally agree with this. Would love to see which of these pieces you’d want to pursue. The new chord at 1:00 is a great move from the intro. Also, great job following the second parameter. The marriage of the main refrain and the piano part is an inspirational one 💕

RyanAugust 6, 2020 12:43pm

Big dig on how subtle the guitar hook is—just four notes. S’all ya need, baby. Also really love the patience of the intro. All kinds of restraint shown here. This is the type of tune I actually don’t mind the foggy vocals on. Everything’s sparse enough that it makes sense to me.

Only thing I want more out of is the drum kit. More presence, body, etc. I think the guitars are the dynamic leaders, which is super cool, but this “drummer” would’ve definitely been hitting a bit harder based on what the guitar players are up to. That make sense?

“Well we went with what we went with” is probably my favorite (and longest) alliterative lyric ever. So good!

BenAugust 7, 2020 9:44am

Yeah that makes total sense. It was also a challenge writing/programming these drums with the guitar being in 9/8(?) and the drums being kind of 4 on the floor. The only really real variations I got away with are like 2 tiny snare fills and a couple kick drum flutters because anything else was hurting the groove. But absolutely yes, I think some more tonal meat in the drums might have been a good idea.

kurdsAugust 2, 2020 9:50pm

Love the lead in on this song. Beautiful tones, really gave me some Broken Social Scene vibes. (And this time I’m talking about your song, @@Ben!)

BenAugust 7, 2020 9:41am

🤘

alechutsonAugust 6, 2020 11:20am

“ooooh duuuuudeeee, keep it like thattt, siiick!” I imagined Craig saying this and lol’d.

Great guitar work on this, subtle and on point. I don’t mind the fact that your lyrics aren’t really discernible tbh. Typically I think I would want more variation in the chords, but this piece feels like a meditation on a concept and I appreciate it for that.

BenAugust 7, 2020 9:40am

Thanks. SIIICK DuuUDEeeEEeeeE. Yeah, I tried to arrange this more (there was a bridge etc), but a. pressed for time, didnt want to do an arrangement i wasn’t in love with, and b. ended up liking the repetition.

RyanAugust 6, 2020 12:48pm

Jungle jangle 🌿

alechutsonAugust 6, 2020 11:30am

I really dig the energy of this piece. Sparse vocal arrangement works for me. Energetically, this feels more like the excitement of dancing in the rain rather than introspection, but that in itself adds a layer of meaning in the interpretation.

RyanAugust 6, 2020 12:36pm

Thanks, Alec. Yeah, speed + introspection has become interesting to me.

RyanAugust 6, 2020 12:34pm

Love a late submission. This is cool. Really lovely guitar parts and I like this range for your voice. Nice job fluidly moving in and out of a lot of seemingly disparate parts. Yep—mix is good for me!

RyanAugust 4, 2020 1:04pm

Wow I absolutely love this. I adore when a song finds a new section and it just splits off from where it was because it’s become what it wants to be (when I come across this structure in my own work, I think of it as verse/chorus/whatever + outroooo). It’s just so undeniable when that part comes along, that it’s so natural for the song to stay there and not worry about “getting back” to where it started.

I listened to this once with headphones on and was swimming in it. Then I listened again when I was driving across Brooklyn at night to go pick up Tam. Listening to this while driving on rain-slicked, nighttime city streets was really special. The guitars and your voice were such a dream to spend time in. I was sad when it was over.

To answer your question, I love the arrangement and instrumentation. I wouldn’t argue against much. Loved being surprised by the shaker, the drum part, and the organ. I think the only thing that was a touch curious was when the drum part switched to a back beat. For me, the snare hits aren’t big enough to really feel that change. It’s cool that it sneaks in, but I think it should still be felt when it does. I wonder if a synth were paired with that organ—something with a little oscillation—might add just a touch of movement to complement the swimmy guitars.

If it’s not too much to ask, could you make an entire record like this? Great work.

nurphgunAugust 5, 2020 3:48pm

Thanks! Yeah, switching the back-beat was a late-hour decision. I got sick of listening to the original snare part and wanted to settle into something easier to bop along to, but I think you’re right that snare is possibly not strong enough in the mix or something. It does lose a bit of steam there, at a moment where it should be peaking and feel more celebratory.

nickAugust 6, 2020 11:42am

Yeah i agree about the snare. I also agree about this being a great addition to a road trip playlist.

nickAugust 6, 2020 11:41am

Ben? cmon, we know this is @theEdge. strong vibe. Love the introduction of the distorted vocal. excellent addition. Yeah, a lot of this is just right instrumentation/arrangement wise. I think potentially, emphasizing the dynamic structure of the song could be nice—starker at the being of the outro and even bigger by the time the distorted vocal comes in. Great full track, Nora.

BenAugust 4, 2020 9:04am

Nora, you shouldve called this song “Great”

nickAugust 6, 2020 11:29am

*snare and cymbal emoji*

peterAugust 5, 2020 1:52pm

this is so fantastic! the rawness creates instant nostalgia. reminiscent of some of some of my favorite bands before they got glitzy and produced. @@Kristophcheck this out!

KristophAugust 6, 2020 11:25am

Uhhhh yeeupp! This rocks. Bass line is fun as hell. I think he production is just right – Love me a dirty mix. Pulls out a bunch old feels for me a-la Vex Ruffin – Liars – The Intelligence. So fun. Dope! Thanks for this!

alechutsonAugust 6, 2020 11:12am

Hell yeah. Love the trance vibes. Tense and moody

nickAugust 6, 2020 11:24am

🤖💃

nurphgunAugust 5, 2020 3:36pm

Love how the first low bass note + the soaring high note are totally unexpected and take what begins as a a chill meditative thing into something more weird and sinister. I could definitely see this evolving into something bigger with rock and roll elements if you wanted it to.

nickAugust 6, 2020 11:23am

🚀😎

CarseatAugust 3, 2020 8:42am

Oh wow. Locrian’s never sounded so good.

nickAugust 6, 2020 11:18am

😈

alechutsonAugust 6, 2020 11:06am

I love the line “squinting out behind the camera.” Really digging the nostalgic vibe on this one, your voice reminds me of Annie Clark here. I think I would’ve liked a stronger lead in into the rhythmic section, but side from that I really dig the arrangement. Great work ♥️

nurphgunAugust 5, 2020 3:29pm

I loveee this. In terms of emotional territory, I’m getting feelings of maybe homesickness + acceptance of the inevitability of time passing/life doing it’s thing, and if that’s what you were going for, I think you really hit it. It’s really powerful, I’ve listened to it a bunch of times. The overall shape and progression is really satisfying. Except for maybe the drums, it reminds me of Junip. I like it without harmonies. One suggestion is to maybe use “my god” only once, as opposed to using it each time that phrase appears. 

RyanAugust 5, 2020 5:39pm

That’s a good suggestion! I should keep an eye on lyrics that repeat when they ought not. I feel like I’ve been guilty of that many times before.

And great—yes, this is definitely about dealing with inevitability and homesickness. Also re: homesickness—I always find myself writing about the feeling of missing something when it hasn’t even gone away yet. Anyone else?

Junip has been big for me ever since I found it THANKS 2 YOU! Glad some of that driving quality came through. I think it’s more in the choruses than the verses. But I’d like to keep exploring this direction. Feels good.

TengoApril 22, 2020 8:36pm

Looooove that intro! so fresh!

BenAugust 4, 2020 3:07pm

🙌

nickJuly 23, 2020 9:58am

Garlic Aeolian

RyanJuly 23, 2020 11:26am

lmao

BenAugust 4, 2020 2:53pm

Aioli is to Mayonnaise as Aeolian is to Pure Minor

BenAugust 3, 2020 1:13pm

Ah yes, I thought I remembered you hinting that you might have a “fast” song up your sleeve. This one starts and I’m thinking “Ok this can go either way in terms of speed. Let’s see what happens if/when drums come in.” 

Then the beat drops and the song starts moving and the beat really supports the arpeggiating of the chords. And when the tambo/percussion drops in I feel like you set a personal record for RAW SPEED in your songs (at least ones I can think of).

This is a great departure because it combines programmed electric drums and fairly chirpy indie instruments with the generally spacious, wet soundscapes that I’d become accustomed to in your work. This one is of course a little less spacious and wet than your other work (the drums are smaller and crisper, and some of the instrument tones are more precise sounding), but it’s also maybe the least person-playing-guitar-in-a-room of your work too. Maybe because of the speed, programmed nature of the drums/perc, instrument choices, and general complexity of the song that punches you in the face. Also, don’t get me wrong re: wetness – this song is still very damp. It’s moist, and well-lubricated. It lives in Wetland, but it’s just a little sonically tighter than some of your wetter songs.

The little electric guitar that jabs into the mix at 1;24 is stellar, same with the snare fill at 3;00. Really exciting bass work in the chorus section. 

I’d say this is an example of a finished product NCBC song. Will be continuing to listen.

RyanAugust 4, 2020 1:06pm

Definitely a PR in the speed category. It’s my version of the Peloton.

Yeah I’m glad that blend of dry/drive-y electronics and wetter indie stuff worked for you. I think it’s close, but not quite there. But I’m starting to think where it doesn’t work is more compositional, less arrangement. But yeah, psyched the no-band-in-a-room quality came through.

CarseatAugust 3, 2020 8:28am

Oh wow I love what you did with this.

RyanAugust 3, 2020 2:58pm

Thanks! Nice assignment.

CarseatAugust 3, 2020 8:40am

Wow — that lead instrument fits in so well — I’m not sure what it is but I dig it.

kurdsAugust 3, 2020 10:03am

Thanks! That was my voice into a mic through a guitar pedal

BenAugust 3, 2020 9:36am

1800-I-LOVE-THIS-ASSIGNMENT

www.icantwaittohearthesubmissions.com

CarseatAugust 3, 2020 8:25am

I love the fact that everything is alliterated — is that a word? I like the meditative state of the guitar. I would be suuuuuch a sucker for a long-tone lead guitar at some points of this song, too. Niiiiiice.

BenAugust 3, 2020 9:04am

Thanks! Ya know, I HAD a long-tone guitar melody lead that came in before and after the vocals, but I ended up ditching it because I couldn’t find a good tone. I very well might come back to this tune later.

CarseatAugust 3, 2020 8:37am

Yes.

CarseatAugust 3, 2020 8:33am

The simplicity of the refrain and the complexity to which you stem from it with the harmonies [and how they interact] are so so fun to listen to.

NateAugust 2, 2020 9:10pm

very cool soundscapes. I love all the sounds. Two things I want:

1) More consonant sounds in the words. vocals are very dreamy but I want to hear the specific word sounds. I like feeling like I can parse the words w/o lyrics on first listen. Wow at 2:05 the drums really get going

2) a really wild string part. Totally hearing gabriel Kahane type writing (Empire Liquor Mart) (or that Nick Drake song with really tumultuous. shimmering melodic stuff).

I’d love a more Sufjan approach to the vocal affect and mix you’re building: with clear different voices; like the sound of your voice as another instrument. like, chorus of you singings plus the melody more up front with.

Great stuff!

nickJuly 23, 2020 9:44am

cmon man there’s some thommy. how much fun is it to sing like that?! really great job. that first “Yeah I believe we’re aliens—Cause surely this is outer space.” superb. Now I just want a little extra-terrestrial twinkle to swell in there. Ya know, gimme a lil shooting star. I don’t blame you for wanting to put more time into this one, but hey, when you’re here, you’re family. Looking forward to the final piece.

RyanJuly 23, 2020 11:15am

That twinkle is definitely what’s missing. Looking forward to finding it. *looks up at the night sky pensively*

ZJuly 27, 2020 8:40pm

“There’s a shooting-star like guitar melody right around the two minute mark.” – Neil DeGrasse Tyson

RyanJuly 28, 2020 12:29pm

“Yeehaw, I just saw a shootin’ star” – Tim McGraw Tyson

ZJuly 27, 2020 8:47pm

I love this, I was really glad you took us into outerspace rather than through a New England landscape for example. I don’t know that I know of too many Krezbot-In-Space comps. The harmonic shifts are great, it’s like each time you’ve got your footing they shift again and your perspective keeps telescoping larger.

Great lyrics. Another gem, this deserves to be on an album despite being ‘recorded under duress,’ although if it didn’t make the cut I’d be **stoked** to see what did!

RyanJuly 28, 2020 12:28pm

Thanks, mate. Yeah I liked the sort of harmony-opening-up quality of the shifts myself. Glad you felt that. All these assignments have definitely gotten me thinking about a new album. I think a finished version of this could belong, for sure.

ZJuly 20, 2020 4:16pm

Great sounding track as always.

Change the hook to “nobody like you?”

ZJuly 20, 2020 4:20pm

Certainly less harsh, and to me get would get a little deeper into the heart of why we hurt the ones we love the most.

RyanJuly 20, 2020 8:56pm

Oh man this suggestion has some great potential if a preceding verse could smoothly transition into this sentiment.

nickJuly 21, 2020 4:44pm

Love that. YOU get a writing credit, and YOU get a writing credit. Let’s make some money bb.

ZJuly 27, 2020 8:34pm

Let’s get these imperial credits, fam!

CarseatJuly 19, 2020 9:22pm

Wow. I really like this. I enjoyed the jaggedness of the dynamics in the instrumental part as well. I really dug you belting it. Definitely some emotions behind it. I like it.

NateJuly 20, 2020 12:29pm

interesting juxtapositions, guitar lick at :20 was great.

Drums sound great, love how the cymbals sound when the crash comes in

I’m a little iffy on the transitions between sound worlds / sense of spaciousness. I could use a clearer sense of repetition. I’m very down with through composed stuff… I think a more intentional use of builds/breakdowns/ etc would be cool. Every part of the song feels great, but the order feels a little disjoined. Sort of like this comment lol.

Listening a 2nd and 3rd time — I think the loud-ass part could almost be before the guitar lick? I think it feels like a long time without vocals, especially when later on there are vocals almost the whole way though. Having a super aggro part immediately before or after the gentle keyboard part could be cool

Nice! Good work on this!

nickJuly 21, 2020 4:09pm

yupp love that :20 lick

ZJuly 27, 2020 8:27pm

Nice to meet you Darcy, and thanks for listening!

Hey Nate – thanks for the feedback about the composition – a few assignments back I’d asked specifically for that as it’s not my strongest muscle – I tend to through-compose and then try to figure out a way to repeat things but usually feel like I’m forcing it. I appreciate the specific suggestions, I’m figuring out how to quickly re-arrange sections in Logic to try things out in a non-destructive way.

Thanks again!

Nick “Lick” Pope

RyanJuly 20, 2020 8:47pm

Yyyyyyeah, a lot to love here for me. Intro/verse vocal melody is beautiful. Absolutely love the subversion of the expectation to go big after the intro. Totally fooled me. Instead, we get that lovely instrumental section that turns into a vocal-led section later on. An excellent decision. The scream at 1:28 is perfect. Felt it in my gut. Gorgeous Fleet Foxes outro—I think it sells the previous sections in a super unique way. Almost like—”You thought those sections were the extent of the range of influences? Check this.” Amongst a heap of other feelings, this song makes me psyched to hear the rest of the record this track might be a part of and just sit back and enjoy a diverse sound world unfolding.

A note on mix/future tracks: The majority of the punch is coming from the drums and vocals right now, but it’s such guitar-forward music that I want more of the punch to come from them. I’m sure you’re already working on that now that you’re dialing in your recording/mixing process. But thought I’d mention.

Stoked to hear more!

ZJuly 27, 2020 8:20pm

Many many thanks for the feedback! You’re always on my shoulder when I’m recording. It’s funny – I approached the mix of this by getting the drums and vox to be prominent. Ironic now the guitars are a little distant but I’m gettin’ better!

More to come!

nickJuly 21, 2020 4:14pm

love it man. great midi drums—pretty freaking convincing. glad you’re back in the world of the DAW. i think young zack rockin-out-in-the-green-outback would be proud of this one 👍

ZJuly 27, 2020 8:18pm

He would! Bet yung Nick would drum along..

nurphgunJuly 24, 2020 9:32am

Obsessed with this. I was on board immediately. The screaming at 1:16 GETS ME!!!! What I wouldn’t give to be able to scream like that. You have some pipes. I relate to feeling relieved when there’s no choice but to stay home. I dug the first two weeks of quarantine for this reason; VERY MUCH over it now, but yeah – it’s real, and cool to hear a song about that specific feeling.

ZJuly 27, 2020 8:17pm

Many thanks Nora! Really glad to hear my vox landed for someone whose pipes I envy!

Did you know Iceland is broadcasting people screaming to alleviate lockdown stress? Good for the soul!

nurphgunJuly 24, 2020 4:11pm

This is awesome. Agree with @@nick on the musical theater vibe – I imagine a character having a reflective solo moment, commenting on the things and people around him, reminiscing about fun times had and loves lost.

nurphgunJuly 24, 2020 12:05pm

This is beautifulllll. The synths and strings are so warm and subtle, and the little sonic moments at the beginning/end, too 👍 Agree with @@Ben – I love getting to hear so much piano-centric music coming from you on here.

nurphgunJuly 24, 2020 11:58am

Love this. It’s a Euro-pop banger, and I love your the juxtaposition of your more classical vocal delivery with the electro-pop instrumentation. The dissonant bits are unexpected and totally make the piece. The “time” bit reminds me of the tune “The Apocalypse Song” by St. Vincent.

nurphgunJuly 24, 2020 11:55am

Congrats on writing such a catchy chorus – “let you down, oh no” is my fav part. This is an awesome pop bop. The bass line is so cool. Vampire Weekend vibes. Great work.

nurphgunJuly 24, 2020 9:45am

The low end in this tune + the soaring vocals make the whole thing totally gripping. It’s beautifully gentle, something I love about all your submissions. There are many moments that remind me of other things in the best way; just one that’s totally random, the little “no-ahh” high note at 1:25 & a few other places reminds me of this lil vocal moment in “Barely Breathing” by Duncan Shiek, one of my fav songs of all time, and one that is planted deeply in my musical psyche, such that I hear it in almost everything.

RyanJuly 24, 2020 11:39am

That’s kind of you, thanks Nora. Dude, Duncan Sheik!! God, 90s production was so fucking good.

NateJuly 24, 2020 10:57am

cute fill at the beginning! Good writing for sure, playful timbres and licks really work.

The ideal for mixes is that you hear all the stuff you wanna. You can think of a “reference mix” that is close to your overall sound-world and balance; you can also just go piecemeal — things that have sounds you like, and sort of mish-mosh them together. “the ideal guitar tone would be from song X”.

Being able to listen intrinsically to the mix is important (e.g. the vocals are a little hot), but listening extrinsically can help widen your creative palate — and really help you be more “objective” with what you’re going after. Listening closely to one thing, or the relationship between one thing and the entire mix, really helps you get there over time!

My faves: I think of an Alex G (more lo-fi bedroom sound) , Elliott Smith (of coursEE). And I love the band porches. They have some older demos, and play with drum machines too.

Better Oblivion Community Center has their “sound” around octave vocals between higher & lower voice. This track feels like Sifjan Produced it: https://open.spotify.com/track/6Zio8fwZm8o7RdH1zK6kB5?si=G496Dro1SJyBuRYkQ2iJ2Q

Darwin Deez (though this song is a little more sad/heavy) has the kinda playful drum noises and lick-y guitars: https://open.spotify.com/track/0gw4QQO1Fh0Iul8fUv5SNp?si=7OPdS2H2Q4-58EcEiWofmA

And if you want more instruction on how to mix, there are soooo many things on youtube. You could listen to favorite bands (e.g from the 90s) engineers talk process, best DIY bedroom solutions, or really fricken whatever you want. Happy to make a rec or two depending.

Good song that deserves some more time and attention on the mix. Love the drum fills and arrangement ideas. Hope this helps!

nurphgunJuly 24, 2020 9:25am

I just love this so much. It’s been stuck in my head. It puts me at ease, despite the disquieting subject matter and lyrics. Finding peace in the weirdness. It sounds stunning.

nickJuly 23, 2020 3:56pm

“I was standing there” great harmony. And throughout the song, great harmonies. Loving where your singing heading, my dude.

nickJuly 23, 2020 9:57am

love the brevity of these piece. feels like one slow motion wave, salt spray and all. I think I need a touch more clarity in the vocal at the end, maybe just through the mix, but besides that, I love this one as is. Nice work.

BenJuly 23, 2020 1:25pm

I agree: This is very slow motion and a really, really great listen. Really feels musically like the subject matter. Musical onomatopoeia? And that’s a good point, Nick, about the vocal clarity. Sometimes the vocals seems to dip below the line and get a little swallowed.

Are those subtle vocal doubles I hear at certain times? Very low in the mix? I love them. Like at 0:12.

All your Neon Chef songs have been VERY cinematic so far. Is that what happens when you produce songs that are primarily Piano+Vox? I’m GOOD with that.

I love listening to your stuff on NCBC because, as a fan of your music for over a decade now, I feel like I’m noticing big differences in the flow and space and feel of your compositions/performances based on the instrumentation – You’re very different piano+vox VS guitar+vox VS full rock band set up.

BenJuly 23, 2020 1:13pm

I like the free-flow of this piece. It’s not anchored by a click, or by form, or by rules, and that actually helps me just listen, instead of thinking about music theory, traditional song structure, or even performance: The polyrhythms happen without me needing to actively recognize them, the ebbs and flows in tempo help the song move along organically, and the whole thing has a nice improvised feel that I find relaxing. It’s sort of got a contemporary classical/musical theatre vibe. It almost sounds like a song a character in a play would play on a piano in the set on stage.

I think the thing that takes me out of the nice meandering dream is the mix, which obviously is hard to change given that its just a Zoom and/or iPhone. But I think maybe even just a little [more] reverb could help. I think this is stuck between “Guy Playing Piano and Singing” and “Magic Dreamland”. The recording is just clear enough to sound like I’m in the real-life room with you, but just blurry enough to not sound like how I imagine a “live album” recording should. Conversely, the sound quality is almost “weird” enough to transport me to Magicland, but still sounds enough like you’re just in a room in Medford to anchor me back down to earth. For me to feel HIGH OCTANE WHISTFULNESS and be floated to a place of childlike wonder and sentimentality, I need the audio to somehow be more provocative.

Totally get that you recorded this with those specific tools for a reason, but I think If you were to take this piece to the next step, it’d be with a more lush and deep mix/soundscape. It’s tricky because obviously just layering on “Trippy Psychedelic Effects, bro” is not the way to instantly make it work, but I also think it needs… something?

Nice work. Good to “meet” you, and glad to have you here!

RyanJuly 23, 2020 11:27am

I am having a good time with this one so far. I have… no real idea what’s going to come out of it. But this is super interesting.

CarseatJuly 19, 2020 9:43pm

I really dig the idea of the decreasing polyrhythms [5-4-3]. I’m also just a sucker for polyrhythmic piano in the first place [@@krismccarthy listen to this!]. You hit some craaaaazy tense and relaxing chords. I’m a fan. The “airplanes” section offered great contrast to the polyrhythms.

“I am uncorking a Spectacular bottle of misanthropic love songs” is an incredible lyric.

NateJuly 23, 2020 10:33am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_XAV5qbAdQ

Suggested Listening! I definitely ripped off/was loosely inspired from a line from this song. Gabriel Kahane is your guy for polyrhythms in songs. You may like some of his instrumental arrangements. I could geek out for a while on this guy

@@ryan.mp3 have you heard this track?

Thanks for listening & for the comment!

RyanJuly 23, 2020 11:26am

Yeah that’s a nice one. Here’s my go-to Gabe-on-polyrhythms piece: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxvhENzuwU0

RyanJuly 20, 2020 9:22pm

Sheesh, this is cool as hell. Some mind-bogglingly beautiful piano sections. I certainly think, to answer your question, you should very much like all the piano parts. Reminds me of a rawer Gabriel Kahane—which is super appealing because I find Kahane’s stuff gorgeous but just a touch too shiny sometimes. Vocals have a bit of an Akron/Family vibe—another artist I do indeed enjoy.

I agree with @@alechutson that the piece sounds like it wants to be orchestrated. Strings on this would be a dream (and in that way, complement the dreaminess of the lyrics). I also think some subtle percussion during certain sections could make the polyrhythms a bit more grounded and therefore easier to enjoy—I think, although it would be grounding them, it wouldn’t sacrifice the free-flowing nature of the piece that you’re looking to preserve. Those complex piano parts floating over a grounded percussion part would only exude more of that feeling.

Great work on this. And thanks for being here!

NateJuly 23, 2020 10:41am

ooh Akron/Family !! a new band for me to get into. “Love is simpllleeeee”

How deep are you into Kahane’s disco? He’s given enough different looks over the decade that its hard for me to say he’s too much one way with anything. But I am a super-fan sooo maybe I have a bias 🙂

Thanks for lsitening!

RyanJuly 23, 2020 11:18am

Very fair! Kahane definitely runs the gamut. Ummm, I’m familiar with Where Are the Arms through Book of Travelers. It’s more some production choices that irk me than the compositional stuff. I think he is an incredible writer.

alechutsonJuly 20, 2020 7:45pm

Hey friend! This is a massage for the brain.

I’d love to hear this with some verrrrb on your voice so that it can swim with the piano a bit more. I can hear this with an orchestral arrangement if you chose to take it that direction.

Thanks for your submission 🙂

NateJuly 23, 2020 10:36am

yes! I recorded it straight into a zoom… so 0 production lol. I’d love it to have a production feel to “Book of Travelers” — that Gabriel Kahane album I recommended.

Advice solicitation: a human without much munz making a demo, what would you think of doing to get an orchestral arrangement? mock something up and have computers play it? Maybe write it and ask some talented friends to do a small number?

Thanks Alec !

nickJuly 23, 2020 9:54am

Bangin🤖

Glad to hear you on here! That 1:27 ultra beat drop with trumpet lines makes for a super compelling section. The mixing is work well for me, especially the trumpet bits. Only thing would be adding some compression to the vocals, and maybe thinning them out a bit. This could guide them more toward banger-mix-vibes, verse singer-songwriter-mix-vibes. love “not groovin”

nickJuly 23, 2020 9:30am

@@Carseat bouncy is just the right word. Super fun chorus, and while it’s familiar in a nice way, it also makes some melodic moves that feel fresh. Great job with the guitar takes! The rhythms are getting nice tight, sticking to drums. Kudos, my friend. (P.S. Hell yeah @Sheena)

nickJuly 23, 2020 9:27am

Yeah, this is quite a nice listen. In regards to @@ryan.mp3 ‘s comment about grounding it with percussion, that could definitely work, but there is also something very unique about the organic unchained approach you have to the polyrhythms that I wouldn’t want to lose with extra rhythmic contextualizing. It’s all very metronomically inspired, and very expressive. And your style has that rubato-esque musical theater thread running through it, which feels very natural for you and is on beautiful display in this piece.

nickJuly 23, 2020 9:20am

oooo that extra backbeat noise that comes in at :26, combined with your lil vocal frill is very special. I’m loving all these sounds. Great environment, and cool to hear something that still sounds like you, yet very new from your past submissions. I’m all good on the mix. The super swung kick drum sticks out a bit to me. Maybe it’s just a bit heavy, but I love the sound of the big kicks on one. Great job on this one.

RyanJuly 20, 2020 9:04pm

This track is fucking excellent. You are low key one of my all-time favorite bass players/programmers. I am certain I have mentioned this to you before. But this track is a ~very good example~. Bass tone also a damn dream here. Mind sharing how you got it?

Love @@Z‘s suggestion to transition into “nobody like you” so that those big choruses that come later are more reasonable to sing along with. But it would definitely need some preceding re-contextualization. Big freaking dig on the 90s harmonic world used here. Makes me feel like you really mean everything you’re saying.

A mix note: at around the 2:20 mark when that sweet distorted key melody comes in, the mix shifts to being a bit harsh for me. Not overly so, necessarily, but definitely a bit harsh. I think it’s that between the overdriven guitar, fuzzy bass, fuzzy key-line and pretty crack-y drum tones, it’s all a little too mid-high’s. I think you could definitely get away with darkening the drum sound for the whole track (particularly the snare). More umph less crack. That warmth will make even more listenability, I think.

Freaking great work on this one, man.

nickJuly 21, 2020 4:48pm

Well I’ll tell you what, you know I’m slapping a limited edition D’A Ludlow + Fuzz Drive (v rare default preset on Logic). But hey, thanks man—gotta be my favorite part of recording music. I’ll definitely try that mix note. Cheers, bud.

alechutsonJuly 20, 2020 7:36pm

Great guitar and drum sounds! Really dug this, it’s calling back some of your earlier work for me.

Personally, the repeated line works for me but I probably would have varied it up a little bit. Maybe singing “nobody” every couple of times without completing the full phrase.

Also hearing you sing reminds me that it’s possible to be evocative using minimal vibrato. Thanks for the submission!

nickJuly 21, 2020 4:45pm

Yeah totally hear that.. didn’t put as much time into that “nobody” section as it needed. Glad you dig the vox style!

NateJuly 20, 2020 12:54pm

Yo this beat is dope. What a good hook. IMO the first minute is lyrically flawless. and then the beat comes in hard and its great.

After that, I can’t make out the words in the same way — though I just listened without my BeyerDynamic Dt770’s (aka headphones) and I can understand way better now. Hmm.

Yeah, it is “nobody likes you” is very on the nose. I think I could use some variety to show more of the range of emotions around it — or show lyrically that the “negative emotions” being dwelled on have more to do with the singer in regards to themselves. Using “trying to tear you down” as an outro feels a little, weird, and counter to the message & your actual experience of the situation.

Maybe to remedy that, you could –> clear out (like it does at 3:11) much sooner, add in a different timbre and get a different vibe/mood with the lyrics. Maybe layer in “I’m done” on another vocal?

OR –> change the lyrics and make it more about yourself feeling bad that you were hateful

Not sure if its a question of “do I keep the song?” or “how do I de/reconstruct it to be better.

FWIW: I’m hearing: Spoon + Tame Impala + those 90’s hits that had a good — IDK why but bittersweet symphony came to mind too, just listened to verify that I am crazy and it doesn’t really sound like your song lol

Great mix, great beat, great melody — good stuff!

nickJuly 21, 2020 4:40pm

Hey Nate! Glad you dig it. Including the “I’m done…” line more often would definitely help clarify the true sentiment of “…trying to tear you down.” Once that was super clear, I could probably get away some of the more abstracting of the full phrase.

So glad you got involved in this assignment—can’t wait to hear you on the next one!

BenJuly 20, 2020 9:40am

Might this be the origin story for why you’re nice? It’s certainly a great reminder that a lot of the time, the worst things we’ve said to people in the heat of the moment end up haunting us more than them in the long term. Your brother was crushed that day, but here we are 22 years later and you’re writing a song about it and he’s going about his day. 

This is a great, intimate look into what essentially still seems to be a governing factor in how you interact with people to this day. It’s nice to know that you, and probably everyone, have had experiences that we can pinpoint and attribute to a change in our lives. 

Question – You said you credit this as your first conscious pivot. Did you know it was a pivot-point that day, or did you just never forgot about it and, as you pivoted, kept thinking back to that day, crediting it weeks, months, or years later as a pivot-point? 

I’m fascinated by being in moments that you know are going to impact you forever, especially when that moment is a fairly mundane event, not a tragedy or major surprise. It’s rare to recognize that a moment, in real-time, will be a life-long memory. It’s a similar effect as “remembering where you were for JFK’s assassination”, except there aren’t other people/news/culture building up how important it is for you. In fact, nobody else even knows what you were thinking. I play around with that a bit in my song this week.

I also love the metaphor. Checks all the boxes for fantasy: you found the secret weapon, forged by the Ancients in Mordor (Mordfield) that Only You can weild, and it’s the only weapon that can pierce the armor of your Foe, your Brother. And once you thrust that Ancient weapon unto him, you feel the damage tenfold unto your heart. You’re mortally wounded but you survive and as you’re healing up later, the wizard explains to you that the weapon may only be effectively used by Evil. “And That, my boy, you are not. So rest up now, for we ride north by daylight.” And you but cast that Ancient Weapone upon but for whence it came, otherwither, and but see that it is destroyed.

As for repeating the phrase “No One Likes You”, I think it depends on how you’re feeling about the story years later and if you’re willing to have fun with it, and it looks like you are: It juxtaposes well with the epic battle imagery because “No one likes youuuuuh” is such a 1998 kid thing to say. It almost reminds me of Tenacious D or something: Epic battle and fog, and as soon as the dark clouds part, it’s just Jack Black standing there in a funny hat singing some anachronistic modern rock lyric.

Stray notes:

I love how the beat drops. It kind of sneaks in under that sudden guitar line. 

That chord change at 2:05 is great.

Also dig how I thought that “No Body Likes You” would be the main, final repeated line that is repeated over an over in this big finale, especially judging by your feedback blurb, but it kind of turns out that “Tryna tear you down” is the phrase that is repeated to the end.

BenJuly 20, 2020 9:41am

wield* dammit

RyanJuly 20, 2020 8:58pm

Definitely the origin story for Nick’s kindness.

BenJuly 21, 2020 8:53am

lol wow fuck me, i meant to write “nobody”, not “no one” in that last main paragraph.

nickJuly 21, 2020 4:31pm

thanks for this, Ben! Love your breakdown of the metaphor 😂 In regards to your question, ya know, it’s tough, right? It feels like that was turning point, but I may just be applying it to the memory. So, I would actually say in that moment, I could only recognize the impact, not the lasting effect it would have.

nurphgunJuly 20, 2020 9:03am

Love this so much, esp the simple/satisfying chord progression and guitar tone. I think if I heard this without listening closely to the lyrics, I would interpret the phrase “nobody likes you” as a phrase sung by the songwriter to himself – the hypnotic feel of the song makes the phrase feel more like an intrusive negative thought one thinks to themselves, rather than an insult from one person to another. Given how this incident has haunted you, I think it fits. It’s harsh but that’s why it’s effective, it’s the type of phrase you don’t expect to hear in a song. (It’s a nice companion to “Everybody Hates Me” by the Japanese House!)

nickJuly 21, 2020 4:27pm

thanks nor 👻

trumpeteer123July 19, 2020 11:16pm

the progression of the energy was great, the build felt very natural and i also liked the conveyance of a sibling relationship, with ups and downs lol

nickJuly 21, 2020 4:26pm

yeah, i just wish I got my brother to make the beat on mine! maybe next time.

CarseatJuly 19, 2020 9:30pm

I DIIIIIIG the guitar tone oh my gosh. YES. YES. yes. okay. yes.

Also I’m a fan of “nobody likes you.” Very upfront. To the point.

nickJuly 21, 2020 4:26pm

hey thanks! i pretty rarely record electric guitar, so that is nice to hear.

kurdsJuly 19, 2020 9:15pm

Fits strongly in a playlist with Creep and other songs to make you groove and feel bad 😉 loved this one, especially the strong picked guitar, very catchy riff! Also, it doesn’t feel excessive, it was strongly in line with the narrative.

nickJuly 21, 2020 4:24pm

😥💃 thanks man

RyanJuly 20, 2020 8:55pm

You get a lot of stuff into these mixes, man! Reminds me a little of Sufjan where I’m constantly like, “is that a—yeah that’s bassoon” every other verse lol. Really impressive because I never find your stuff overbearing. Very musical. I think the only thing I want out of the structure here is for certain sections to be sparser—I’d be super curious to hear any of the sections that drop down in dynamics to be stripped of everything except for its bare essentials. That would make a super funky and busy and dense section like the guitar solo work even more for me. Also did you have a fucking blast with this solo or what? You sound great, you freaking shredder.

nickJuly 21, 2020 4:19pm

2:51🔥

RyanApril 22, 2020 11:46am

Haha dude this is awfully fun. Great use of voicings/octaves/fx in the intro to turn that one chord into many. Excellent section variation, too. Also whoa that bridge line whoaaaa doggy funktown

BenJuly 21, 2020 11:22am

Sorry I’m realizing now that I forgot to respond to all my feedback. Dont know if i knew i could do that back when this site started. I was hoping someone would enjoy their trip over Funktown Bridge and I’m glad it was you.

RyanJuly 21, 2020 1:29pm

Yeah I don’t think you could haha. Also just re-listened to confirm big hot dogfunk—confirmed.

RyanApril 27, 2020 11:12am

Damn man this is super lovely. Love this space for your vocals and absolutely adore the guitar and vocals’ interactions. Great production on both. And your arrangement! I love when a listener isn’t asked to picture a band in a room, but flourishes and instruments just kind of spin off of the main vehicle—in this case the singer and his guitar—these natural peripheral thoughts and energies. You killed this.

BenJuly 21, 2020 11:28am

Thank you for mentioning the “band in the room” thing. I always think about that. Do you have examples of songs that aren’t “band in the room” asks vs songs that are?

RyanJuly 21, 2020 1:27pm

I think a lot about Sufjan, Vagabon (self-titled), San Fermin, etc. when I think about avoiding the “band in a room” thing… Gabriel Kahane’s “Empire Liquor Mart” as well, although that ends up reaching a band moment, too. But it just kind of just seems like anything can happen in those worlds. I tend to notice it more in the chamber pop/indie classical world most (probably related to how heavily orchestrated some of the stuff is).

BenJuly 21, 2020 8:31am

I love the low-end gurgles of the guitar. Especially when you go to that chord at around 1:08 (is that one of those Fs with the two high strings ringing?) – that kind of thing will always get me. The guitar solo is great and spacious and I love when it follows the walk-down at 1:40 and 1:55. Agree with Alec about the Soundgarden vibes.

The harmonic moves work well for me, especially when they’re sort of automatically tucked into the arpeggios of the chords. In fact, when you hit those couple extra notes at the very end, I was struck by how well the walk-down bass/gtr notes had been folded into the harmonic structure throughout the song when you were arpeggiating the chords because, when playing unaccompanied at the tail end of the song, the notes sounded so abrupt and aggressive by contrast. Very cool.

Also not to just list out more artists I’m reminded of, but the “yeh I believe we’re aliens” is very Thom Yorke.

This is great and I know you said you’re looking forward to revisiting, but I really like the mostly unchanging slow and heavy trudge of the drum beat. Just solid and ride-heavy. I almost feel like the only way to make it better would be to just play it live on a real kit, but don’t really change the composition.

RyanJuly 21, 2020 1:20pm

Thanks, Benzo. Yeah plenty of low-end gurgles in this one lol. That chord is an F9 plus the open G and B string, yep. This tune is in Drop D (first time in a while!) with the E string tuned up to a G (caution).

Yes! So glad that tuck worked for you! I was really happy with how that part of the melody justified the funky bass movement—stoked that stuck out to you. Yep, Thom and Soundgarden definitely present in this one. Glad the minimalism is working for you—it is for me, too—but you’re absolutely right that it needs a human drummer. Just a few super subtle changes would go a long way. I also want to write a second guitar part for the second chorus for the sake of development. I think that’s sort of all it needs.

juliapikerMay 25, 2020 3:21pm

bright bright lovely beuaitufl guitars. mix is not all over the place. but anytime you feel like the mix is too crazy- go back to the beginning. to the basics. Usually too many cooks in one frequency range. For this i feel like you are well endowed in the high mids. and mid mids. Check out ‘Tonal Balance Control’ by Izotope. It’s a cheat for when you’re not in a space to properly mix. Tells you where the holes are.

BenJuly 21, 2020 11:34am

Checking that out. Now.

nickMay 25, 2020 3:30pm

wild-vinyl-overexposedy-rollercoaster ride-Benefit of Mr. Kite-road trip. so many cool arrangement moves unique elements popping out, and @@ryan.mp3 got it right with that choiry background sample, so good. For me I think rounding off some of the more tangy (tangy is always the word I use for this) peaks of the acoustic guitar, like around :49 for instance, would be nice. “the guy’s a thief” instant classic.

BenJuly 21, 2020 11:33am

Yes, I think this is similar to previous critiques you’ve given my acoustic guitar mixes. Tanginess/chirpiness/buzziness etc, not to mention some issues with Boom.

DaevsterMay 26, 2020 2:12pm

Yep yep, that choir sample is so cool. I would make that bass a little thicker, the bass licks might be my favorite part, and could stand to take up more space. Fleshing out a unique chord progression like this is no easy task and I think you made good choices arrangement-wise. I’ve never quite heard a song like it, well done!

BenJuly 21, 2020 11:30am

Thanks! Yeah, it’s a weird one, structure- and form-wise. The bass was digital on my midi controller, so I always really struggle to get it right. I recently fixed up my p-bass, so it’ll be analog bass from here on out for most songs I think.

froebusinessApril 26, 2020 10:13pm

This tune is super sweet. I dig what you did with the vocal production a lot. The whole thing has a really nice dreamlike vibe to it. It’s like instant nostalgia.

BenJuly 21, 2020 11:29am

nostalgia feels nice these days.

aubspeepsApril 26, 2020 11:25pm

I love this, man. I love the humor in your music. I felt instantly at home listening to this

nickApril 27, 2020 11:13am

instantly at home, for sure

BenJuly 21, 2020 11:27am

😍

KristophApril 28, 2020 8:40pm

Bennnnn, the melody is gettin’ me. That fall is so gentle, but has a little bite to it. Vocals sound great, I like hearing you front and center. Very sweet.
Guitar tone is killer, here.
-C

BenJuly 21, 2020 11:26am

HEY Thanks!

agasthyaApril 21, 2020 9:29pm

the sneaker squeaks are too good

BenJuly 21, 2020 11:26am



peterApril 21, 2020 10:02pm

you sound like a cool person.. asl?

peterApril 21, 2020 10:03pm

but really i’m splashing around in this track

BenJuly 21, 2020 11:25am

55/m/omaha,nb whatsapp or kik me

nickApril 21, 2020 10:35pm

really love the vocal effecty entrance. gives me a little Prince and a little HAIM. body up and talk shit, man.

BenJuly 21, 2020 11:23am

🏀 Totally get that prince vocal funk business with the intro. Thank you. (Sorry for the late reply)

alechutsonApril 22, 2020 2:50pm

THOSE SNEAKS
ye ye ye i like your chord structure bb

BenJuly 21, 2020 11:21am

😎

nicolemalagodipopeApril 22, 2020 4:05pm

love the beginning of this track. did an awesome job surrounding us with the court. I love your singing voice, ben!

BenJuly 21, 2020 11:21am

i wish i was surrounded by court right now.

thanke youe.

Sam PearceApril 27, 2020 1:16pm

Yeah! An uplifting jam and also a compelling poem.

BenJuly 21, 2020 11:19am

Thanks! Funny thinking of this as a poem!

RyanMay 10, 2020 6:57pm

Ayyyyy tell you what my man, I like that slide playing! Smiled right when it came in. Only thing that sticks out to me mix-wise is a bit of boom could be cut out of the acoustic geets and some of the squeaky high end could be taken out of the slide and the acoustics (mostly just on the actual string slides from moving chord positions). Also sounds a touch like the slide guitar peaks just before the more minimal section at the ending? Love the atmospheres you’ve been creating lately, though. This is just a warm and, frankly, interesting place to spend time. Cheers.

BenJuly 21, 2020 11:18am

Thanks. That’s very helpful and actionable. I actually have no idea how to mix acoustic guitar and I feel like somehow I’m always BOTH too boomy and too shiny, which is a weird combo.

Sam PearceMay 10, 2020 10:49pm

Hey Ben, you covered so much ground in a minute. It’s an exciting listen. I think my favorite section is the middle with the darker-sounding chords and the chopped-up vocals. That part kind of reminded me of “Everything In Its Right Place”. I guess, as far actionable feedback goes, now that you’re free to make it longer, I think I would enjoy it even more if you were able to spend more time in each of the harmonic and rhythmic “places” you pass through in this one minute. If that doesn’t immediately sound appealing to you, then ignore it. This fast pace is really engaging in a different way. Just a thought!

BenJuly 21, 2020 11:17am

Funny – you’re not the first person who suggested this be lengthened to full song, or expressed interest in hearing it fully fleshed out. I feel like this one is a jingle that wants to be a song, which I guess is preferable to a song that should be a jingle.

nickMay 11, 2020 3:18pm

Yup, love the guitar and especially that slide—tons of character. And this whole thing is just a wild ride, and having the tiny bit of lyrics at the end is funky in a great way. This song is so strange that I would roll back some of the effect on the vocals. I almost feel like offering a juxtaposition of clearer vocals amidst a wayward landscape could be creepier than the vocals at their current wackiness level.

BenJuly 21, 2020 11:15am

Yep. REALLY WORKING ON THIS in general! vox fx need to be rolled back. It’s definitely a crutch. tough to do.

juliapikerMay 12, 2020 1:45pm

CRACKLE CRACKLE
damn . Ben you’re a good mixer. I LOVE THIS. This is a bright, full frontal mix. I am really into it.

My notes are actually that I would involve the instrumental in some of the effects. skipping, filtering. It feels like thats only going on for your voice- But also how does one comment on creative choices? I feel like I can’t comment on stuff that is a choice you made when writing. I would like to hear the full of this!

BenJuly 21, 2020 11:14am

Thank you! I often get carried away with messing with my voice. And then I forget – or don’t know the right way – to match it with the rest.

BenJuly 20, 2020 1:57pm

zack wtf man. this is wild. it just STARTS and the vocals are rawww and cutting right from the beginning. Introduces a melody instantly. I love these kind of melodies where i’m almost expecting a minor melody but NOPE, you’re getting a major line. love that little very brief moment of silence before it launches into the chaos. the scream at 1:28 too. The whole thing is evocative and uneasy and great. The harmony at around 1:47 too.

What was the instrumentation and what was the recovery/recording/re-recording/re-mixing/re-mastering/editing process? I was waiting for your big, produced neon chef entry and here it is.

I really, really like the delivery/composition of the melody/line “Dislodge your heart from the shelving”

I used too many slashes in this comment. /

:/

Ben

ZJuly 20, 2020 5:01pm

Thanks Ben! Loved starting the song without a long, throat-clearing, “thank you all for coming out today…” exposition.

Instrumentation was: drop-tuned electric guitar (C), 3 Vox tracks, MIDI bass, MIDI keys, MIDI drums, synths, and a lot of (over excited) Valhalla SuperMassive reverb (it is free, and it is dope, download it!)

The recovery process was really just like “I’m going to open up this file and organize it, then try to clean up the mix with the new things I’ve learned over the last few months/years.”

The original recording process was not a process. It was fits of inspiration and frustration that eventually gave way to some piece of music. I think back then I was just holding myself accountable to recording something – anything – rather than nothing at all.

Going back to clean up the mix, all of the original recording issues were still there waiting for me (i.e. the vocal tracks were too close to the mic, different timbres, clipping, having to just go for something before my laptop died, all kinds of BS). Difficult to organize your mix process around vocals when the vocal tracks are so all over the place.

Listening to the GB file I said to myself “okay, I’ve learned a LOT in the last few years, and I know which of these problems are mix issues and which are tracking issues – don’t waste time polishing turds, just love it for what it is and be hella excited about your new confidence with recording new material.”

BTW mastering was just EQ compression and limiting on the stereo out track, flipping through presets and then a little tweaking to taste.

Thanks again for your feedback, it’s really great for me.

Z

BenJuly 21, 2020 8:36am

This:

“okay, I’ve learned a LOT in the last few years, and I know which of these problems are mix issues and which are tracking issues – don’t waste time polishing turds, just love it for what it is and be hella excited about your new confidence with recording new material.”

Also just downloaded that verb and fucked around for hours with it.

Yeah all the problems and challenges you documented about the recovery process (of old recording files!) are near and dear to me. Mixing your modern-day sensibilities, tech, plugins, taste, influences, habits with the time capsule of whenever you felt inspired to make the original recording. I find myself doing it fairly often.

RyanJuly 20, 2020 9:42pm

Yo funky-ass key change after the intro/between choruses and verses! Note: if anyone here who actually knows music theory wants to call me out for this not being a key change, that’s fine just let me know. Either way, sweet move. Very Strokes-y guitar. Works with the super sample-y beat.

Mix-wise, I think keep trying out different vocal recording techniques. Seems a bit too dark and muddy. Try adding some compression and verb, too!

RyanJuly 20, 2020 9:37pm

Man, when your voice swells up at 0:30. Yes. This gives me strong Jon Brion and Sufjan vibes and I’m all about it. This feels like warm, warm sunlight. I want more!

alechutsonJuly 20, 2020 7:50pm

Lol your “no mix/no time” submissions are always solid, and this is no exception.

Harmonic moves are giving me mellow Soundgarden vibes, I dig.

alechutsonJuly 20, 2020 7:52pm

A little Minus the Bear in there as well

RyanJuly 20, 2020 9:34pm

Thanks, man. Now that I have even a teenyweeny clue on how to mix it just kills me when I don’t get to do some on these submissions lol. But I’m glad it passes, at least! Yeah there’s some Black Hole Sun in there for sure—didn’t realize until much later. But I do freaking love that track.

CarseatJuly 19, 2020 9:50pm

You always have such good guitar ideas. I’m grooving. I like the little reverbed follower of the melody at what appears to be the chorus. And mmm that chug at the end.

RyanJuly 20, 2020 9:31pm

Thanks! There’s a joke amongst most of the people I’ve made records with that I’ve never actually written a song with a chorus. Just 14 different verses per song. Sometimes a post-chorus—never a chorus.

RyanJuly 20, 2020 9:30pm

Hey ok what’s up this is fun stuff. Some Age of Adz meets, like, bangerdom going on here. I’m into it.

Re: lyrics — It’s super interesting to hear a talking/thinking adult ask “what is it like to be young?” as if they never were. Has a lot of implication to dig into. In a song that has such a sparse set of lyrics (minus the rap section which I feel less qualified to weigh in on), maybe hold every lyric up to this standard? “When will we know enough?” definitely works in the pseudo-dystopian tech-y quality of the sound world. The others I think could use some pushing to reach the quality of these two.

Super cool track. Thanks for being here!

RyanJuly 20, 2020 9:12pm

Great job making a familiar-sounding chord progression your own. The sample work immediately freshens this whole world. Great bass and vocal sounds, too. You’ve got a fantastic voice.

I think the mix is great. My only question is whether the snare is being panned stereo-wide and if so, I’m wondering if you tried narrowing that field so that it was a bit more up the middle or not. Might make for just a touch more clarity.

alechutsonJuly 20, 2020 7:56pm

YAY DEVINA AND ORION

This is a bop 😉 The synth lead in the beginning feels a little piercing to me. I love the drum fill at 1:30

OH SHIT the rap with trumpet bkgd is hot

alechutsonJuly 20, 2020 7:48pm

Mix sounds a lot better for this one! I would have loved to hear your voice balanced better with Sheena’s – your voice gets a little lost in the mix. Good feels on this track, and the abrupt ending works for me.

alechutsonJuly 20, 2020 7:41pm

Love the water percussion and texture throughout. Very ambient, airy and light. Catches you off guard to hear “feast on the dead.” Great job with this.

PS “Sexual drumbeat” should be a genre in and of itself.

alechutsonJuly 20, 2020 6:30pm

Hahahaha I can relate with having a warped sense of reality in childhood… I was an impressionable boy.

Really dig the vibe of this piece, it’s got classic Ben nostalgic summertime feels. Great guitar playing!

I really like the textures you’re using (is that a sample of a car driving by?) but I think I would have liked to hear it through the end.

ZJuly 20, 2020 3:54pm

Hey Ben, love the background on this – been pondering the “history is bunk” saying a lot lately so it was very topical for me.

I like the mood of this, you have a real talent for levity! It’s a very stable track, and at moments it feels little static. My suggestion, to address intelligibility, section distinction, dynamism, hook emphasis and the other elements mentioned in the comments, would be keep the filter vocals for all lyrics that describe memories, and a clean, unfiltered vocal for any lyrics that are sung by “current moment Ben.”

“What’s the protocol..

..But this was different. You were th…”

Thanks for your submission, love it!

Z

kurdsJuly 19, 2020 9:25pm

Really beautiful vocals! By the way, either your song or lyrics is mismatched, I think? Regardless, enjoyed your track a lot. Found the chorus repetition to go on perhaps once or twice too many times but maybe that was the hypnotic element, in which kudos cause my partner and I chilled out to that part deep.

kurdsJuly 19, 2020 9:27pm

Also, a bit hard to understand at times but the vocal mix sounded great. Very impressed at your ability to remember your childhood so well, would love to hear more memories from long ago, sometime.

kurdsJuly 19, 2020 9:28pm

Uh, disregard all of this, was listening to the wrong track thinking it was yours. My bad.

BenJuly 20, 2020 2:01pm

😂 Wondering whose song this comment was for. Also wondering how much of it (vocal clarity, mix) applies to mine.

PS @neonchefbookclub. The comments could prob use an “edit” or “delete” button!

NateJuly 20, 2020 12:42pm

Love the sound world of this!

One idea for the mix is to approach it less as a mix and more as an instrumentation question: for instance at :35 — I could use another instrument playing that instertital guitar melody, to beef up the sound of it.

For me, the lyrics are pretty unclear without reading — part of that has to do with how the natural accents of the words relate to what have a melodic accent “Night-MARES”. Again, its totally a vibe. “When I’m 70” really stuck out. Very cool that it came back at the end.

One idea to play with “lyrics intelligibility” is what words your melody is jumping on. I love writing nirvana-nonsense lyrics — and just based on how the melody bops around, the impression can be left based on what words “pop out” of the sort of whirly wooshy texture of dreamy vocals with a lush background.

And FWIW: I really like the lyrics after I know what they are.

For song-structure: its pretty densely orchestrated throughout — and the rhythm section is sort of groovin in the same way. I think the structure could speak more clearly with some bigger variation. (2:40 is exactly the sort of moment I had in mind. Yeah the shreds!!)

I also love the swelling winds, plays interestingly with the car samples.

For lyrics: I’d ask for some sort of hook next time. The title is so good I’d love to hear that as a lyric somewhere in the song, too

Hope this is insightful!

BenJuly 20, 2020 12:56pm

Great insight!

one note though – the title IS in the song as a lyric! third verse.

BenJuly 20, 2020 9:49am

OH Hey! Haven’t seen you (or heard your trumpeting) since the days of the Christopher Kazarian live band. Welcome.

Yes, this is an absolutely banger. Love that last section. That chromatic trumpet line. I swear I thought the rap section at first was being spoken by an old school computer voice, and then it becomes more human sounding after 10 seconds or so. Very cool. Keep it up.

CarseatJuly 20, 2020 9:05am

Man I was not expecting the song to be such a BANGER once the beat dropped. I love the trumpet as a feature instrument. I love the vocoder vibes. I like the modulation change at the beginning. The swirls before the rap are quite nice as well.

The RAP??!?!?!! With what sounds like a *I can’t tell what that scale is* lick on the trumpet? So sick.

trumpeteer123July 19, 2020 11:09pm

gives me a mellow vibe, I like the quirkiness of the lyrics. The song flows really smoothly and I also like the small touches like the little sample of the car zooming by. Mix sounds nice overall but maybe there is a little too much autotune on the vocals, not sure if thats intentional though? Vocals could be a bit louder at 2:30 onwards on my speakers.

CarseatJuly 19, 2020 9:46pm

Oh I’m smiling. What a lil treat. Love the bouncy guitar in the chorus. And the spunky percussion interjections. Yes.

CarseatJuly 19, 2020 9:26pm

I dig the kid vibes with the instrumental. Very boppy. And ooo that guitar solo. Very spicy. I like the randomness of the “Wednesday” lyric. Conveyed the small memories of waking up specifically on a Wednesday morning and going though the schedule of a Wednesday.

NateJuly 19, 2020 5:57pm

Silly genre proclamation: lo-fi wind-ensemble chamber emo

Love this! I feel panic-at the disco in the melody/prosody/”songwriting”.

There’s something theatrical when these instruments get involved. Panic rides that sometimes. I’d think about the Beatles too.

How did you pan the guitar and vocals at the beginning? I’m not an expert, but I feel the guitar off to one side, as well as the vocals. It could be cool to have them both pretty center, then expand them wider as the song develops.

And for mixing here: peak loudness and wideness at the second chorus. You pretty much do that.

Then lastly, I may think of it less as a mixing question and more of an arrangement question — like, thinking about the overtone series, and how you’re designing the whole vertical stacking of things (intervals, what’s going to be “speaking over” the other stuff). If you can conceptualize that really clearly then mixing gets clearer.

Do you have an electric bass in the mix? Honestly that could thicken up the stuff above it, to reach down below the

Another thing here is, you could literally just automate the guitar (other instruments) down when the trombones are featured.

A question is: how much do you want the listener to perceive the words as they flow? Maybe how its mixed, maybe the delivery, maybe the overall complexity and density of the piece — I didn’t really latch onto them until I read them.

Love the flute punctuating the ends of phrase.

Killer guitar licks.

CarseatJuly 19, 2020 9:19pm

Hey thanks for all the feedback! I love the “lo-fi wind-ensemble chamber emo.” Made me chuckle.

But yeah it would be really interesting to think of mixing it more as a wind ensemble type sound than a typical rock sound. I couldn’t have electric bass since there was an acoustic parameter so I had a big n low pedal tone series on the trombone I was playing. I like the idea of bringing the guitars down when things get loud — I definitely notice it gets more chaotic once the ‘bones come in and I’m not sure if I like that, so thank you for that feedback.

And the words are chaotic on purpose. Trying to develop the mood of “yeah, I’m a big bad swan but I’m scared to confront you.” If it’s too far into the mix though, that wasn’t on purpose.

kurdsJuly 19, 2020 9:10pm

Good god! This is so soothing. Really reminds me of one of my favorite artists, Asgeir.

nurphgunJuly 5, 2020 4:19pm

Hey Karan! This is so cool – the vibe is incredible. The lyrics are superb. They have a beautiful rhythm to them that’s apparent on paper and that comes to life even more in the song. I think the singing is great, I would recommend finding space to take your breath at the end of a phrase instead of the middle of one (which you did fantastically except for a couple instances in the second verse). I can’t believe this is the first song you’ve written and recorded. Well done!

kurdsJuly 19, 2020 8:49pm

🙏 Too nice of you, thank you very much! I’ll work on my breathing!

nickJuly 2, 2020 9:25am

so cool! and whaaat first song?! incredible. this piece does an excellent job following the assignment. feels really in the spirit of the classic sonnet nature. the texture you achieved with all the acoustic instruments is outstanding. very distinct and enjoyable on the ears. I would say, have some fun experimenting with the EQ of the vocals, and check out this video for some tips. Cheers, bud! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wG68DptZX5Q

kurdsJuly 19, 2020 8:48pm

Oof, forgot to listen to this video before I submitted the Brain Dig…I will keep this in mind for the next one. Thanks again for the kind words.

nickJuly 10, 2020 10:41am

Hell yeah! Groovy spacey psych rock for the win. I’m loving the chords and the way you’re strumming. I just want to point out that by the end of each chord progression the guitar has gotten a little ahead of the drums in time. It’s clear that you can hear it, because then you hop back on beat. I’d recommend getting super comfortable with the chords, and then keeping a sharp eye (ear) on the drums while you’re recording 😈

kurdsJuly 19, 2020 8:46pm

Thanks for the suggestions! I’ll definitely spend some more time practicing before committing to a take.

alechutsonJuly 7, 2020 1:59pm

Hey dude! Great job with this one, I love the psych rock vibes. Mix wise I wouldn’t pan the different tracks so far to either side, esp if you’re gonna be cutting them in and out.

As for writing melodies that are different from what you’re playing… first, I don’t see anything wrong with having the melody be the same in your voice as the guitar. That can be a really cool effect if that’s what you’re going for.

If you are trying to have something different, then what I would do is just improvise different melodies over the same progression until you get something that sits well with the existing guitar riff but feels different and contrasting enough for what you are trying to achieve. I don’t have a precise science to it, and often operate entirely by feel so unfortunately that’s as detailed as I can get.

Hope that is helpful!

kurdsJuly 19, 2020 8:45pm

Hey, thanks for listening and for the advice! The guidance is great– I’m trying to approach this whole thing kinda analytically but its a good reminder to just let go and be more free form.

BenJuly 16, 2020 10:37pm

Somehow I missed this! This is nuts! It gets crazier and crazier. In the first 10 seconds I was like “Oh cool, it’s a normal song. The guitar’s pretty wild, but ok for the most part, I get it, this will be a mostly standard song. Then harmonies, percussion, WHAT? FLUTE? sound effects, horns?, dissonance, more vocals. So cool. And it doesn’t sound like you just threw random tracks and layers on. It works really well, and is nice and concise too. This is the sleeper track for the assignment. not sure how i missed it the first time around!

CarseatJuly 18, 2020 9:17am

WOwwow thank you! Very much appreciated. I’m glad you enjoyed it

nurphgunJuly 5, 2020 4:08pm

Love the chaos, the dizzying whirlwind feel to it all. My fave line is “die in a weirdly open waste cave”.

CarseatJuly 18, 2020 9:16am

Hahah thank you. That lyric was a fun one to write. I kinda improvised on that one.

nickJuly 2, 2020 9:06am

wow this is nutsss. Love hearing these acoustic textures. Super inspiring that you created this wacky world without electronics and mixing effects. Makes me want to learn some new instruments. Reminds me of a rickety pickup truck with two pickup trucks worth of stuff piled up in the bed, strapped with twine swaying back and forth on a bumpy dirt road. Blown away.

CarseatJuly 18, 2020 9:15am

Thank you! I totally recommend learning any instrument. You never know when they’ll be useful… It’s also a cool party trick [has to be a very specific type of party though].

kurdsJune 22, 2020 4:42pm

Love your vocals with the very rapid guitar playing, it gave me a sense of great sense of urgency. Really enjoyed the flute as well.

CarseatJuly 18, 2020 9:13am

Thank you!

nickJuly 10, 2020 10:26am

I immediately think about the pre-determined nature of going backward, and how it relates to people’s thoughts about this forward direction also (potentially) being pre-determined. Strange to imagine we are already going backward. @@Kyle is my determinism guru. Chime in here, buddy.

KyleJuly 10, 2020 1:25pm

Really cool sounds!

This reminds of a post Reggie Watts made on instagram recently:

“We are all travelers from the future. The more we become aware of this within the incredible and turbulent moment we are currently experiencing, the more possible it is to steer ourselves towards the fantastic evolutionary outcome we have all come from.

We know what to do, we just have to remember.”

CarseatJuly 18, 2020 9:11am

@@nick @@Kyle INTERESTING! Yeah, I wonder if while we’d be going backward we can observe and reflect on what we did. In a sense, would we be able to interpret our past actions from a different perspective? As we go forward with our lives, we learn more about ourselves. And, potentially, the inhibition behind the anticipation of the inevitable future…

Wow… trying to explain my thought process is so hard… like what is the past and what is the future at that point… what is the present… youch.

BenJuly 16, 2020 10:23pm

Sorry, Ryan <3

This is beautiful and I feel like you really nailed it by putting the walking component at the end, as its own part. It fits and makes sense and works well and caps the song off very meaningfully. If it was my song I probably would’ve made the footsteps the beat and used the chime as a sample and my song would’ve sucked.

It also really takes me back to my childhood. While I didn’t have a grandfatherfather clock, you know damn well I took some liberties with those last 3-5 steps on each descent. Honestly jumping those last steps is the stairs-equivalent of running through a doorway and slam-dunking on the trim of the doorway as you pass through.

I gotchu on the Chet and MLs.

RyanJuly 17, 2020 5:22pm

Thanks, Ben. Yeah I was a little surprised at how “right” it felt to have the stairs and clanging clock in there, separate from the rest of the music. Didn’t have another choice with only a phone to record, but I was happy it worked. Glad you felt the same.

Ugh, yes—doorway dunks.

nickJuly 10, 2020 10:45am

You KNOW I’m pourin’ one out for gramps 

RyanJuly 17, 2020 5:20pm

<3

nurphgunApril 22, 2020 7:56pm

I am obsessed with this. The energy. It’s frantic and urgent yet also sooo crisp and tight so it just winds me up and makes me wanna run around in circles. Can you post the lyrics? And maybe make a music video too…? It’s like Florence and the Machine but instead of blood sacrifices it’s frozen treats.

BenJuly 17, 2020 9:31am

lol nora

“It’s like Florence and the Machine but instead of blood sacrifices it’s frozen treats.”

RyanJune 22, 2020 9:48am

Love a four-on-the-floor squeaky acoustic guitar track. I dig the mix! Certainly sounds good in my headphones. And I love all the processing in the vocals—subtle but super effective. Great question re: fun. The four-on-the-floor makes it inherently a bit fun. But the melodic and harmonic territory didn’t strike me as fun. Granted, I find Radiohead pretty close to 0% fun lol. My not hearing the fun might also be related to not being able to discern the lyrics with just listening, which is partly what one sacrifices when they go with vocal processing. Question for you! When you go the fx-y route with your vocals, is it your hope that folks read your lyrics? Or is it important to you that they maintain intelligible on the first or second listen? Super cool track, my dude.

BenJuly 17, 2020 9:25am

Great question – I do think the lyrics contribute to the Fun™. And I am weird with lyrics and singing in general: In this forum, since I know they’ll be written here, I worry less about whether they can be understood on first listen. I figure, Radioheads’s great and I don’t understand what he’s saying. But in my case, i think its 50% crutch, 50% wanting to have lyrics be just another tonal layer (like a synthesizer pad or something).

But yes, there is certainly nothing fun about the melodic/harmonic territory or performance, and was hoping the sarcastic lyrics would create a nice Juxtaposition Of Fun™.

BenJuly 16, 2020 10:31pm

Wow I love this whole “playing piano” thing you seem to be doing for the past few songs. Have you ever done solo gigs in this arrangement? I guess it’d be hard to incorporate your foot percussion, but I could see you doing shows like this.

So far every song you’ve done has been swirly and whirly with these great arpeggios and I think it’s great. Love the performance and songwriting and recording. I think it’s tied with some of your others from a songwriting/creative perspective, but I think it’s probably the strongest single recording you’ve made so far in Neon Chef in terms pf mix/clarity/editing and overall sound.

I tottttally hear the Misty and the Yorke too. Great work.

BenJuly 16, 2020 10:06pm

This has such a great build and arc. And it’s nice and raw, and of course, it meets the moment. Sonically reminds me of some of your stuff from ~college era

NateJuly 16, 2020 6:46pm

no way this is too dark! Really good lyrics. I didn’t analyze them but they felt good.

Something about it feels “poppy” — like in a bluesy (esp) /rock/pop sort of way. I think its the prosody of the words and the melody. 1) It feels like a contrast to the tone & production on the guitar. 2) it, for me, saves it from the darkness. The emotional/musical presentation can carry more “raw darkness potential” than the words — and expose more of ourselves than maybe we’re willing or wanting to.

My comment would be: why not bring more darkness into your writing? First song of yours I’ve listened to, and it feels really good.

Do you listen to Alex G? Olivia Tremor Control? Both came to mind.

Great song!

nickJuly 10, 2020 10:32am

mmm very nice. love how clear your voice is. nice and crisp. Piano sounds great, too. I suppose, since it’s kind of the main bed of harmonics, it could be slightly wider? Calling on @@Kyle again—any piano tips?

KyleJuly 10, 2020 1:49pm

Agree that vox sound great! Love the chord at 1:51 as well.

How did you track the piano? Moving a pair of mics further apart can always help for width. Mics with more top end sound pretty sweet on piano too.

alechutsonJuly 13, 2020 1:29pm

Thanks guys, I really appreciate the tips. I’ve been using my Zoom H4n to record everything, though I do also have two shotgun mics and a cheap condenser mic that I can use. Feels like I’ve figured out how to best use it with my voice, but I am still honing in how to record keys and other things properly. Up until now, I’ve just been setting my Zoom on top of the piano, but I’m guessing that’s not the best placement for the mic.

nurphgunJuly 11, 2020 9:01pm

Wow the piano Alec!! Well fucking done. That outro, damn. The chord progression and the melody are classic in the best way. The piano sounds really really good – played well and it sounds great in the mix to me. I hear Elton John and the Beatles in addition to the ones you mentioned.

alechutsonJuly 13, 2020 1:25pm

Thanks Nora! I feel the Elton John and later Beatles influence as well. Just a bit of my childhood peeking through I suppose 🙂 Glad you like it

nurphgunJuly 11, 2020 8:51pm

Very into this – there’s a “gearing up for battle” feel to it that’s apropos and fits the subject matter.

nickJuly 10, 2020 1:26pm

Incredible technique, endlessly dry. Boom stand guitar mic, I’m tellin’ ya.

alechutsonJuly 7, 2020 2:11pm

Which causes the other: the emotion or the thought?

nickJuly 10, 2020 12:18pm

emotion? not sure the exact definition of an emotion, but it feels like a more natural reaction, from which thought may be born.

CarseatJuly 5, 2020 9:22pm

Oh wow I love what you did with this. I also like that you chose to sample that specific conversation. Not my first pick but I love that it was yours.

nickJuly 10, 2020 10:58am

Thanks! I’d love if you’d expand a little on your thoughts on the conversation/sample. I arrived there through watching some James Baldwin speeches, and was grabbed by the unfortunate similarity between then and now.

alechutsonJuly 7, 2020 2:04pm

Love that you paired such epic, brooding music with such a casual-sounding interview. Samples feel a little buried in the mix, but I think it actually causes me to listen to what they are saying more.

nickJuly 10, 2020 10:47am

Haha yeah a little ludicrously brooding. There was a lot of extra garble/hiss in the sample, so I could only bring it up so much, but I’m glad it prompted some active listening.

alechutsonJuly 7, 2020 2:01pm

This is a very sweet and unrefined tribute. Beautiful meditation and story, I am sorry for your loss Ryan.

RyanJuly 9, 2020 9:00am

Thanks, Alec. Felt good to play.

CarseatJuly 5, 2020 9:34pm

Oh my goodness. Thank you for sharing this with us. I wish you and your family some peace and happiness. I would drink to him but I’m only 18 so I’ll raise my bottle of kombucha for him.

RyanJuly 9, 2020 9:00am

Haha, thanks Darcy.

CarseatJuly 5, 2020 9:26pm

Wow. Wow. The chords. The arpeggios. The melody. The percussion choice. So good.

CarseatJuly 5, 2020 9:28pm

Also the piano feature gives me Muse vibes — specifically their “Butterflies and Hurricanes.” I really really dig it.

alechutsonJuly 7, 2020 1:50pm

Thank you, really glad you dig it!! Definitely some Butterflies and Hurricanes influence in there 😉

RyanJuly 6, 2020 8:42am

I can’t play the audio on this one! Anyone else??

kurdsJuly 6, 2020 9:10am

Fixed it, thanks for the heads up!

nurphgunJuly 5, 2020 4:50pm

Love this. It has great forward motion. Love how it stays chill the whole time – I kept kind of expecting it to get bigger but was glad it didn’t. The guitar between the verses is beautiful. I was able to follow the narrative until Serafina, Tony, and Rosa came in – we don’t know their relation to Ana, so I wasn’t quite sure what was happening at that point. It’s such a fantastic story, is there some way it can be stretched or modified in the lyrics so there are fewer named characters? Like maybe we don’t have to know Tony or Rosa’s names, they could just be a guy and his baby. On the other hand, the names are lovely, so who cares?

RyanJuly 5, 2020 8:54pm

Thanks, Nora. That’s totally fair on all the character names. In retrospect, maybe my feedback question was slightly misguided. I like, thought I cared about people understanding the whole story upon only hearing it. But maybe it’s meant to be a footnote-dependent tune.

nickJuly 2, 2020 9:39am

that is a truly wild story. really fun to listen after reading your whole description. im grateful this assignment gave you the excuse to lay down all those italian villa riffs 👌

RyanJuly 5, 2020 8:43pm

Haha. Villa Riffs—new project. Glad you enjoyed it, mate.

nurphgunJuly 5, 2020 4:27pm

I love how you savor and chew on the lyrics. I imagined Jack Black singing it with a devilish grin and a gleam in his eye. I follow the story and I like it, but I’m not sure I know which tale you’re re-telling 🤔

nickJuly 5, 2020 5:13pm

man travels the world once a year giving good things to the nice people, and bits of char to the naughty people. Know what I’m sayyyin

nurphgunJuly 5, 2020 5:13pm

ohohohohohHO-HO-HO!

RyanJune 22, 2020 9:42am

Whoa, this is rad as hell. How did you get the ping-pongy base layer? I can’t tell what that is. Either way, super cool bubbly foundation to this tune. Great guitar part, too. What a mood. Based on the intro, it sounds like Mark Kozelek is going to sing the verse. You too should do a duet. Or maybe just you and Skylar. He’s probably the nicer version of Mark.

nickJuly 2, 2020 9:09am

lol, yeah mark’s a dirtbag

nurphgunJuly 5, 2020 4:57pm

Omg I didn’t realize but this totally is an homage to Growing Stone. The ping-pong is an amp called Triplet Tick Tock in Logic… I made a double of the acoustic guitar track and applied that effect. Glad you dig!

nickJuly 2, 2020 9:11am

i am a sucker for lists, and “cellular walls” is a primo addition to this one. i would highly recommend dropping some four and the floor kick for an intro and let the house junkies get their groove on 🤖

nickJuly 2, 2020 9:11am

*outro

nurphgunJuly 5, 2020 4:51pm

great idea!

nurphgunJuly 5, 2020 4:34pm

This is sweet and beautiful. The last line is pretty haunting. Beautiful guitar performance, too!

CarseatJune 21, 2020 9:26pm

Incredible. Love the different voices. Folk shanty vibes.

nickJuly 2, 2020 9:48am

🍻

BenJune 23, 2020 1:44pm

how delightful

nickJuly 2, 2020 9:48am

🔥

RyanJune 22, 2020 9:52am

I cannot get over “perhaps my people would surely be delighted.” I’ve laughed out loud four times over that. Good job wringing the fun out of a sonnet.

nickJuly 2, 2020 9:41am

hahaha *emoji of guy shrugging*

nickJuly 2, 2020 9:30am

niiiiiiiiick this is incredible. so inline with the assignment, and great performance. your voice! not sure ive really heard you carry a tune so sweetly… also, wanted to say that you should post the lyrics in your submission description, but you sing so clearly that i got the whole story. proud of u 💛

nickJuly 2, 2020 9:20am

dude it always comes off (to me) that you’re having fun. your lyrics always maintain a dry humor that i appreciate. maybe you could try differentiating the vocal freqs from some of the centered guitar freqs. especially because, with a tune like this, following the lyrics seems pretty important ie@@ryan.mp3 ‘s Q.

RyanJune 22, 2020 9:50am

Great sitar and meditative percussion—the drone quality is super evocative. I actually love the lack of variation. Yeah I think trying to tighten up some of the rhythms would take this track a long way. Well done!

kurdsJune 24, 2020 8:44am

Thanks! I definitely need to practice with a metronome!

CarseatJune 21, 2020 9:25pm

I LOVE THIS!! The sitar-trumpet combo is incredible. So smooth and nice.

kurdsJune 24, 2020 8:43am

🙏🏾

BenJune 21, 2020 11:45pm

KARAN, GOOD TO SEE YOU! What’s up. So glad you’re here.

Funny. This tale is all too familiar to me and I will tell you why. It’s been years since I’ve even thought about this but: I was in a production of “Rama and Sita” put on by my 6th grade drama club that, in retrospect, was probably extremely problematic, but also just terrible in general. We all co-wrote and acted in a “retelling” of the classic story and I think we also tried to add a “modern spin” on it. I played the narrator, but I also doubled as Lakshmana, or somehow combined the two or something. No idea how Ms Schulman, our drama teacher got this thing green-lit, but it was a mistake.

We “toured” this 45-minute masterpiece to the local elementary schools, and feeling like a big shot, I wandered off from backstage through the halls of the school and ran into a kid a grade below me that I knew and well what do you know, I missed my call. Then I ran back to backstage, changed into my costume and ran onstage and had no idea where we were in the script and i grabbed this large tome/book prop that the narrator (me) was supposed to read from (it had the actual script in it), but I still had no idea where we were in the play so I read the line that was my best guess. It was completely off and I ended up apologizing to the audience even though Ms Schulman’s number 1 rule in acting, besides the “Yes, and” rule in improv, was: Never Apologize to the Audience.

I still can hear the 5th graders laughing at me, even though I was older (and cooler) than them!

Anyways, yours was a much better retelling, and I’m excited for you to be here. Keep it up!

kurdsJune 24, 2020 8:43am

Good to see you, bud! What a fantastic story! Meanwhile in Lexington we were stuck with boring old Annie the musical. I really hope there is a recording or pictures of this somewhere!

CarseatJune 21, 2020 9:29pm

Wow I absolutely love the guitar work in this. Panned so well.

“Sometimes up to thirty” : Yes.

RyanJune 23, 2020 11:57am

Thanks, Darcy! Geetar for life.

kurdsJune 22, 2020 4:53pm

Damn, what a great mix. Exceptionally clear vocals but to be honest I didn’t understand what was going on, but I’m also not familiar with this story. Wish this was longer!

RyanJune 23, 2020 11:55am

Thank you! Glad you enjoyed the mix. Still new to it. That’s fair enough—the story is really that of my great-grandmother and my grandmother, just written as a parallel to Strega Nona. So I don’t blame you for not knowing what’s going on! haha

kurdsJune 22, 2020 4:49pm

This is wild. A bit scary sounding but definitely a head bouncer.

RyanJune 22, 2020 9:39am

So rad! Great guitar playing, great harmonic territory, super cool arrangements. Well done. Re: horns — every producer/mixer that I trust in my life categorically dislikes all midi horns lol. Love how you’ve used them in the piece, and they definitely work in the mix (nice n’ dark), but ultimately horns should be given over to the humans. In terms of getting a compositional and arrangement idea down though, these are great.

CarseatJune 22, 2020 9:43am

Thanks for the feedback! And yes, I agree — midi horns are quite distasteful. That is me though… I play trombone and french horn on the side along with flute. Thought it’d be fun to bring them in.

RyanJune 22, 2020 9:58am

Well I will tell. you. what. Then that whole “they definitely work in the mix” comment is the only one that matters haha. I think what threw me is that they’re sitting back in the mix enough that I’m hearing most of the mid-high’s, so I just kind of assumed they’re midi. That is my fault! I wonder if bringing them out a bit more would declare their whole tone? Lesson learned: never assume someone doesn’t play french horn, trombone, and flute.

RyanJune 22, 2020 10:01am

Oh I was also going to ask you. What was your process for writing this song? Did you write the vocals and guitar part at the same time? I’m picturing playing and singing this at the same time and I’m nottttt feeling confident that I could do it haha.

CarseatJune 22, 2020 1:52pm

Hahahah thanks! I’ll try bringing them up next time to see what it’s like. I wrote the guitar parts first and spent about a day trying to figure out a vocal part that fit into it, and then added the percussion and brass/flute afterward. I have tried multiple times to play it live — it’s playable but I definitely have to stretch first.

RyanJune 22, 2020 10:05am

This is great. Love your vocal tone! Definitely some early solo John Frusciante in here for me. Sufjan, too, yep. What’s your current recording setup?

kurdsJune 21, 2020 9:57pm

This is beautiful, getting some real Sufjan vibes.

CarseatJune 21, 2020 9:27pm

So relaxing. So nice.

CarseatJune 21, 2020 9:22pm

I love this. Gives me a chill “Burn the Witch” by Radiohead vibe.

CarseatJune 21, 2020 9:20pm

Man I realllly like the guitar in this. So zen.

nurphgunMay 29, 2020 4:11pm

Julia, I have no words. This rules harder than anything ever. It’s an entire universe unto itself. Please find a way to put this in a broadway show.

alechutsonMay 26, 2020 8:55pm

отлично! I had no idea you spoke Russian haha, this was a pleasant surprise 🙂

super powerful and moving, truly impressive. really enjoyed the drums on this as well.

nurphgunMay 29, 2020 4:06pm

I love it Dev. So peaceful, with a bit of a Renaissance/Medieval feel. Brings to mind images of maidens picking dandelions and luters playing lutes. Really lovely. I love your vocal phrasing; there are a lot of nice moments and touches in that area. And the flute is doing it for me. Is there a synth under there too?

Sam PearceMay 26, 2020 12:16pm

Yeah, awesome assignment @@agasthya . I’ve only ever read a few sonnets and thought it would be cool to read more before trying to write my own. I found all of Shakespeare’s sonnets here http://www.gutenberg.org/files/1041/1041-h/1041-h.htm , in case anyone is interested. Relatedly, does anyone know any modern sonnets they find inspiring? I love E.E. Cumming’s “i carry your heart with me(i carry it in”.

RyanMay 27, 2020 11:07am

Elizabeth Bishop wrote a sonnet in 1928 and 1979, both of which are really cool — ‘modern’ as far as poetry goes, anyways! haha

RyanMay 27, 2020 11:08am

The 1928 piece seems just a touch related to what we’re up to here:

I am in need of music that would flow

Over my fretful, feeling finger-tips,

Over my bitter-tainted, trembling lips,

With melody, deep, clear, and liquid-slow.

Oh, for the healing swaying, old and low,

Of some song sung to rest the tired dead,

A song to fall like water on my head,

And over quivering limbs, dream flushed to glow!

There is a magic made by melody:

A spell of rest, and quiet breath, and cool

Heart, that sinks through fading colors deep

To the subaqueous stillness of the sea,

And floats forever in a moon-green pool,

Held in the arms of rhythm and of sleep.

alechutsonMay 26, 2020 9:08pm

love the chord progression here ben! you are a master of creating detailed tapestries of texture. very Ween lyrics, big fan 🙂

alechutsonMay 26, 2020 9:55pm

love the arrangement, intro gives me fleet foxes vibes and then settles into a more pinegrove/nostalgic feel. really into hearing your voice more upfront. your lyrics always seem so effortless and natural. great work!

RyanMay 26, 2020 10:41pm

Thanks, Alec! Glad the lyrics seem natural. I think once I settle into a narrative and see the whole environment it gets easier to paint a picture. The source material provided a super helpful ‘place’ for this one.

laurawolfMay 26, 2020 5:37pm

Tbh I’m in awe of this mix! It’s so full and clear! Maybe it’s the mix but I feel like I’ve never heard you sing out this much and I think it really works with your voice!

RyanMay 26, 2020 10:39pm

Thanks, Laura! Glad the mix and vocals are working for you. Trying to improve on both!

BenMay 26, 2020 1:29pm

Huge Kamasi fan here! I’ve yet to see Becoming. I should.

Your mixes are always nice and big and the vocals are so clear and rich and this is no exception.

It’s cool how I’m not constantly thinking about how this is in 3 or 6. It’s definitely in 3 (or 6) but it doesn’t feel too intentionally waltzy, which often can ruin a groove for me. Also love the change in the drums at around 3:30 and then even more at 4:10 (is that some 4over6, 2over3? 8over6?). I love how it get dirty and verby toward the end too.

RyanMay 26, 2020 10:38pm

Stoked to hear that—was hoping to subvert the very 3 or very 6 feel. Re: drums at the end—not sure! Let’s check with the polyrhythm gurus: @@nickand @@Kyle. I just knew I wanted that snare to start a-slappin’. I keep referring to it as the ‘double time’ part.

alechutsonMay 26, 2020 9:12pm

hah! i love this. so different from your usual vibe but still very much you.

excellent storytelling through the lyrics, and your vocal delivery helps drive it home. yeeehaw

alechutsonMay 26, 2020 9:05pm

yay dev! this piece sounds so lovely. i don’t know what i’m talking about with mixing, but i feel like levels are sitting really well for me. i might take a tiny bit of high end off of the vocals. really lovely arrangement and delivery.

alechutsonMay 26, 2020 9:02pm

YAY DERS

bobbing up and down on a tube on a warm river in idaho. really love the “i’ve never been” section, makes me very happy.

alechutsonMay 26, 2020 9:00pm

always a fan of your thoughtful minimal arrangements. really love your voice and lyrics in this one!

guitar works for me 🙂

congrats on your negative results!

alechutsonMay 26, 2020 8:57pm

this is delightful. agreed that this could be the montage theme for an indie film.

alechutsonMay 26, 2020 8:51pm

sunny and dreamy. the trumpet is a big sonic hug, very strong way to open the song.

RyanMay 25, 2020 11:34am

Really cool vocal performance on this one, Alec. And a super interesting harmonic space. Love how you manage to straddle the line of feeling light and dark the whole time—that piano part is dope as hell. Re: mix — I’m new to the game myself. But I think you could definitely push the drums towards a roomier sound that matches the space that the vocal and sax exist in. Otherwise, I found the balance nice.

nickMay 25, 2020 4:16pm

Totally agree—a little verb would tie this puppy together.

alechutsonMay 26, 2020 8:48pm

thank you ryan!!

juliapikerMay 25, 2020 3:26pm

pianos. wow hi. beautiful track. I love your voice always alec!!! Also what a great word to sing “Etonia”

mixing: I’m hearing a bit too much stereo right. I’m hearing your lead doubled stereo left and then most of the rest of the track coming through the right.

I would center. Otherwise dude you’re a pro- your mixing is really solid.

alechutsonMay 26, 2020 8:47pm

thanks julia!! i love getting vocal compliments from people with amazing voices 🙂

thanks also for the mix notes. i will be more mindful with panning for the next assignment.

nickMay 25, 2020 4:17pm

killer track, probably my fav so far. captivating piano right off the bat. and the vocal arrangement is excellent. cheers to etoniah.

alechutsonMay 26, 2020 8:45pm

thanks chef! i really appreciate that 🙂

daeclanMay 25, 2020 4:32pm

a big swirling pool with some unknown darkness dancing beneath the surface.

my ears loved the drums, curious if this was programmed or if it is recorded. it’s how i hope my drums sound some day, alive, varied & participatory.

the mixing felt right in that it played into the swirling/cacophonous vibe i was getting from the elements playing together, but i don’t actually know how to make a good mix so idk how to tell you to improve this haha. keep up the magic 🙂

alechutsonMay 26, 2020 8:43pm

thank you, i really appreciate this! drums were programmed using Reason Essentials. i went into a little more detail in response to Peter’s comment, let me know if you have more questions.

RyanMay 26, 2020 12:30pm

Coming back to mention that I think this is up there for my favorite Alec track ever. Big dig on this one, my man.

alechutsonMay 26, 2020 8:41pm

<3

BenMay 26, 2020 1:11pm

You know where I stand on you incorporating sax into your work (and for those who don’t know where I stand – I am for it). Since you’re the weirdest most unique sax player I know, it once again seems effortless for you to add sax into non-saxy music. You also don’t get caught up in licks, jazzisms, or even the cute harmonies that I often hear when people “incorporate saxophone into indie rock.” Great sax texture, as always.

Great swirly piano, great vocals. Sort of a stylistic sequel to Rotor. Shades of Tawk Tomahawk-era Hiatus Kaiyote and some Radiohead.

My mix criticism would be the drums: I actually really like the composition of it, and I’ve seen you play drum kit and clearly you know what you’re doing, but I think it could build differently and sit in the mix better. It comes in with some complexities/fills/syncopation fairly early in the song, and I think they’d hit harder if that waited and built. Mixwise, I think they stand out a little too much. They sort of live in uncanny valley. They’re realistic sounding, but clearly not acoustic. Which is actually fine, and not even my main point. Mostly they could tie together a little better with the rest of the song. Reverb and EQ are probably the way to go for this.

BenMay 26, 2020 1:11pm

But yeah, I agree with some of the comments – i think this is one of your best.

alechutsonMay 26, 2020 8:41pm

thanks ben!! this makes me feel all fuzzy inside 🙂 i really appreciate the detail in which you listen to music.

noted on the drums. i’ll spend some more time on drum arrangement and mix next time around.

DaevsterMay 26, 2020 2:02pm

Gorgeous arrangement, it has a whole lot of character and mystery. Love that dreamy piano part, shades of Yorke and Philip Glass. Maybe the kick could be a little less punchy, and I wouldn’t mind hearing that sax louder in the end as well. I want those sax noodles for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. All in all, damn. Great stuff!

alechutsonMay 26, 2020 8:39pm

thanks dev! one steaming bowl of sax noods coming your way 😉

peterMay 26, 2020 8:12am

alec- this is awesome! kinda dark grizzly bear, radiohead. the drums are so cool (drums on all the tracks you’ve posted have been very cool).. i assume they are programmed- are you finding a beat and cutting it up? echoing @@daeclan but i’d love to know your process here! vox are also 🔥

love to see those lyrics too!

alechutsonMay 26, 2020 8:31pm

Lyrics:

If I could reach the pebbled shore

Lightness and the viscerals: Etonia, Etonia

Knowing about it, could I live without?

I see what you mean: it’s not just a dream

The thorns are cruel and dig in deep

Letting go and breathing out to welcome in my greatest fears

Sing me memories; we were kids

Sing me demons from my past

Sing me comfort from your skin,

And cast me into knowing

With heart unbound: Etonia

alechutsonMay 26, 2020 8:38pm

@@daeclan@@peter really glad you dig the drums! they are indeed programmed. I’ve been using Reason Essentials for the majority of these tunes, and it comes with some really excellent drum sounds. I’ll usually start by beatboxing a reference feel that i’m trying achieve, and then I use that as a base to build out intentional rhythms for each phrase. i actually feel like i could have spent a good deal more time on the drums on this track, but i’ve developed a bad habit of writing/recording/mixing these assignments two days before they are due :-/

laurawolfMay 26, 2020 5:15pm

This feels totally transportive! It feels minimal yet full at the same time.

krismccarthyMay 26, 2020 7:02pm

thank u!!

krismccarthyMay 26, 2020 7:02pm

thank u!!

laurawolfMay 26, 2020 5:41pm

Ohhh I like how free the rhythm *feels* and how effortlessly you flow from sonic theme to theme (and vocal characters). Totally impressed. I think for many writers it would be easy for that many themes to just pile up and get muddy, but I love how you were able to have each of the elements shine through at their own moments. Like a conversation.

laurawolfMay 26, 2020 5:34pm

This is great! I think the storytelling is spot on- it’s not too explicit, just enough to hook the listener with creepy enough words/phrases. I felt like that created enough curiosity and I was able to use the remaining ~poetry~ to fill in the gaps. It made me feel like I was 8 years old again and listening to The Hurricane over and over until I figured it out hehe

nickMay 26, 2020 5:35pm

well heck, thank you kindly

laurawolfMay 26, 2020 5:27pm

Hey hi! I personally really love how the vocals are sitting in the mix!

laurawolfMay 26, 2020 5:21pm

Definitely felt the space vibes! I really liked the subtle movement and the background vocals made me feel like I was getting a hug from the universe (:

laurawolfMay 26, 2020 5:18pm

Your voice is so inviting! This is such a chill track but has so much depth in the details. A great listen!

laurawolfMay 26, 2020 5:13pm

JULIA this is awesome- I seriously want you to do an entire album from this character. Your voice is so emotive and got chills during the choruses. Also I love the percussion. I agree with Ryan- would LOVE to hear more of the “clappies”. For me this track is so cool because of all the sonic incongruencies (Ie Russian plunking piano with a tuned powerhouse rock vocal and organic percussive samples) — I think you could lean into all of these more. But honestly it’s amazing as is.

laurawolfMay 26, 2020 5:09pm

Sam this is so sweet! I love the trumpet as the opening touch and I think it compliments your vocal part really nicely all the way through. I’m no trumpet expert but I think for the most part you captured the tone really smoothly- just a few spots at the beginning that would really shine with a little eqing. I think the lyrics sound really tender in your voice!

DaevsterMay 26, 2020 1:39pm

Gotdamn, this is so haunting and gorgeous. Love the treatment on your vocals in those choruses and that sweet soaring synth (or is it guitar?). That major change gives me goosebumps. I would put the word out a bout this one overseas, there are rubles to be made!

RyanMay 25, 2020 12:46pm

Yo, yesssss to that choir sample in the background! Soo good! This sounds like it would’ve been tricky to mix, I don’t envy you. But I think it turned out great! I wish the bass register were filled out the whole time the way it is in the first ~45 secs. There are a few sections later in the track that could use some bottom end. But man, I think for a wonky and tricky track, this sounds awesome. My favorite submission of yours yet. Very memorable.

BenMay 26, 2020 1:19pm

Great feedback. Yeah. Filling the low end was really hard for some reason on this track. I need to just get a bass. I used a midi controller and Logic sounds for bass, and there are very few workable options if I wanted a bass guitar that sounds more like a bass than a synth (but not too cute and fretty sounding). None of them were sounding good to me. I think it has something to do with how I recorded acoustic percussion for this (and no digital beats). Normally I can get digital bass to sit nicely over digi beats, but this was a challenge. Yeah this was fun.

BenMay 26, 2020 12:59pm

Welcome brother.

Love how this song about Zappa sounds nothing like Zappa. It is about as tender as most Zappa is not! Always love your layered vocals.

BenMay 26, 2020 12:53pm

This is so awesome. The high note is right on the money I’d say. An eastern european war song loves a good waltz feel, and i think you are the right person to deliver that. Yeah this is your best yet. Love the changes in feel and juxtaposed sounds. The quieter parts feel like i’m in some bar in Kiev back when my great-great grandparents were drinking and picking fights there, but the digital beat and distorted sounds foreshadow the big, more modern sounds when it explodes into the chorus.

RyanMay 26, 2020 12:28pm

Bro this is sick as hell and will only be better once you get the chance to mix her up. I could also hear a super rad baritone spoken word/rap vocal coming in on this. Definitely feels like a journey with ups and downs—though I’m not sure I could have pin-pointed the narrative moment of each section. But I think that’s totally okay. I do agree with @@nickon bringing in a new element that differentiates that reprise section. I think Aya would be psyched to have this track featured in the audiobook of her biography.

juliapikerMay 25, 2020 3:27pm

GOALLLLLLLLLLLL

Hi Daeclan- we’ve never met but I like you already.

I love your writing a lot. It’s weird and different and so fucking good.

This is scary stuff. spooked. Your percussion is strong and bring and boomy- so being away from home did not disrupt your mixing.

peterMay 25, 2020 3:33pm

y’all need to meet.. that’s a must must

RyanMay 26, 2020 12:22pm

lol yeah my head turned at Julia and Dec never having met. Your powers combined would be unstoppable.

RyanMay 26, 2020 12:21pm

Freaking love that sample and how you treated it. I think that grounding downbeat allows the stranger stuff to swirl around it in a way that definitely work! Doesn’t bug me at all. Agree with @@juliapikerthat your vocal treatment is super freaking dope. Really enjoyed myself in this space. Thanks for being here, Laura!

daeclanMay 24, 2020 9:09pm

holy shit raventhorp is on the island i grew up on, mdi ! wild random beauty. like 15 mins from my home 🙂

i will relisten to this w headphones, but on macbook speakers this sounds real clean; spacious & rich. the structure is nice, and gives the song a greater ambience and resonance. great work, dude!

RyanMay 24, 2020 9:15pm

Ha, dude no way! Incredible. Would love to make a visit out there some day. I got very into the idea of going to see Raventhorp during this process haha. And rad, thanks for the listen, mate!

daeclanMay 25, 2020 4:24pm

update ! it sounds even better on my speakers, much more textured and lively. i get old new england & grizzly bear vibes in the best ways 🙂

RyanMay 26, 2020 12:13pm

<3!

RyanMay 26, 2020 11:56am

Haha dude this is incredible. So well-executed. Definitely agree with @@juliapikeron the #chillywillies and @@Benon the brothers Coen. Re: storytelling — I think it landed! I definitely turned by head on that second to last stanza with the ‘out on the lawn’ and ‘stacked in the shed’ — still have some questions there lol. But I think that last verse really seals the deal of the whole narrative, as well as the “woo!”. Ends up being a hilarious albeit somewhat dark story. Great work, mate.

nickMay 26, 2020 11:59am

this guy got caught with 339 decomposing bodies on the grounds of his crematorium, some years old, and had handed out concrete dust instead of ashes.

RyanMay 26, 2020 12:02pm

Yeah I think the only thing I didn’t get was that he owned a crematorium. Thought he was like, assigned by someone (presumably a crematorium owner if I were to think about it) to deliver ashes. Didn’t put together that the lawn and shed would be his place of business lol.

nickMay 26, 2020 12:03pm

aha interesting—very fair point.

nickMay 25, 2020 4:02pm

yeah i like you in this place. sample sounds great, glad you went for it. how much fun is it digging into some random story?? you really got across a great vibe of nostalgia for something i know nothing about. I think finding a way to include elements of that sample from the intro into the verse could be good. could be subtle, but keeping a representative of the dirty/grittyness from the intro throughout the piece is my vote.

RyanMay 26, 2020 12:03pm

Extremely freaking fun. That’s a good note. Will look into that for a future version of this track. Thanks mate.

juliapikerMay 25, 2020 2:57pm

oooo this is beautiful <3 INTO THIS MIX ry guy. such a shift from intro that beautiful wide mix. Im finding myself interested in the way everyone has been mixing these projects. Also thank you for bringing out that beautiful voice. I’m feeling like the the lead guitar is singing right alongside you. Beautiful writing. overall wonderful submission

RyanMay 26, 2020 12:00pm

Thank you Jupes! Yeah I think the mixing is slowwwwly getting better! Wish I had more time to do a few more vocal takes, but overall I’m happy with it. Glad you dug it!

RyanMay 26, 2020 11:46am

Can picture you draped in a blue velvet gown singing this from the highest rooftop in Sheepshead Bay. The people weep with joy.

This is a dope track. Love your vocal performance and where you take the harmony in the chorus—a super cool subversion of the Eastern European waltz foundation you set up. Love the percussion composition as well. Would love a bit more meat on the snare than just the clappies but I also know you said you didn’t have time to mix—still sounds freakin’ great though! Also lemme heeeeeear that lead guitar business!! Bring it out!!

RyanMay 26, 2020 11:30am

This whole thing is so damn cool. All about your performance on ‘tough luck’. Definitely agree with @@daeclanon the St. Vincent nod. But also, I think you did an excellent job writing something that sounds classic yet still turns a bunch of expectations on their ear (like the descending organ part between ‘a’ and ‘star’ — way to subvert an expectation with a rad moment). I think your arrangement on this is your strongest yet. I love those super grainy-film violins that come in. I agree with @@nick on the less-is-more quality of vocal fx moments. Really great work here, Aubrey.

RyanMay 26, 2020 11:23am

Yo Kris! Lovely piece, here—absolutely gorgeous piano composition. Definitely agree with @@juliapikerthat the spoken word direction works super well. I think your mix is nice n’ swirly, and coagulates well. I wonder if you explored some different piano tone options whether the whole thing might open up a bit more/make even more room for that swirling. The tone as it is seems just a bit too cloudy in low-mid register. Speaking of the devil, I’m sure @@juliapikerwould have some good piano plug-in options for you to fool around with as well!

krismccarthyMay 26, 2020 11:26am

Hi Ryan, thank you!! and yes I totally agree w/ the cloudiness of the keys, I always have trouble EQing keys esp with this tone

peterMay 26, 2020 11:04am

johnny! i want more!

this track is still such highlight!

hope alls goodgoodgood.

peterMay 26, 2020 8:40am

i feel like this is destined for an indie movie soundtrack.. opening lines and git are perfect to set the scene for most/all cute coming-of-age stories. lyrics could be generalized a bit, but i think you could sell it if you wanted to! i don’t know much about that process, but @@juliapiker is a composer who sells songs to advertisers, @@nickhas sold some tracks to small indie movies, and @@ryan.mp3 started a music licensing company, Postcard Publishing.

as for amea.. looked it up and damn… steamy stuff happening on that… barbed concrete?? made me laugh out loud seeing the poster. i’m worried for her too.

great work!

peterMay 25, 2020 5:42pm

so stoked on this @@agasthya

daeclanMay 25, 2020 4:43pm

love this sound & feel, and def echo nick’s observation that you “playing” the midi (vs. programming it manually) gives it life & removes the roboboy that plays a lot of EDM. this had heart and soul and touch. keep dialing yourself in, that’s where the good stuff is 🙂

BenMay 24, 2020 9:13pm

Hey @CoenBrothers, please make a movie of this song.

nickMay 25, 2020 4:32pm

💰

CarseatMay 24, 2020 9:38pm

Oh I love this.

nickMay 25, 2020 4:31pm

🤘

krismccarthyMay 25, 2020 3:16pm

I LOVE THIS SO MUCH I feel like a cowboy. And the storytelling is absolutely perfect, like you chose the perfect details to add to make it feel like such a real story, its actually amazing

nickMay 25, 2020 4:30pm

🐮 not sure which emoji best represents cowboy so here are both 🐴

juliapikerMay 25, 2020 3:23pm

Love this nicky. this is different from what I would expect from you which i love. love being surprised by you!

I also love that i’m hearing your voice super clearly- those harmonies givin me chilly willies.

beautiful beautiful track

nickMay 25, 2020 4:28pm

#chillywillies 🙏

daeclanMay 25, 2020 4:26pm

so lovely & light, but also deep & sad at the edges. i got both bowie & st. vincent vibes, too.

the ha ha ha’s hit me in my heart’s bull’s eye. elements of tragedy wrapped in comedy and lit brightly. a real nice listen.

juliapikerMay 25, 2020 2:58pm

yup yup baby bring out that flute hunita<3

I fucking LOVE THIS!!!!!! you a st.vincent fan? I want you to watch Disney movies and write songs about them.

This honestly can work as a score too. I love seeing what your brain is doing during this. So many little surprises. I’m hearing some fun stereo left tricks up your sleeve. more more more!!!!!!

nickMay 25, 2020 4:15pm

disney movies? looks like she’ll have a chance to heyyyyya=Once Upon A Time

nickMay 25, 2020 4:14pm

how about that mellotron?? such a great instrument, and used really well here. I love when the strings accompany that descending line. In regards to moments when you want to highly effect a piece of your vocal, I have found that doing a little bit can go a long way. Definitely don’t want to quell your experimentation. It can be fun trying to hone a slight effect that may even end up having a stronger impact. Love this piece, and how you approached the assignment.

nickMay 25, 2020 4:03pm

Incredibly serene piece, brother. Right off the bat I’m like yes I want to keep listening. Excellent guitar performance and composition. I would agree with ryan’s comments about space. Could definitely spread some elements more to the side, and remove some competing frequencies. The vocals performance is killer, so some space would do them well. And lastly, find some of those harsher “es” peaks in the EQ and pull those little devils out. Super glad to have you on this! oh and double lastly, post those lyrics in the description please.

nickMay 25, 2020 3:49pm

sick track. definitely feeling her story. love bringing the sample back in the middle. Construction wise, I would only say for the section that restarts at 1:07, maybe adding a new element that creeps in and rides till the end? some hi frequency screech or pluck or something? digging the drama in this one.

peterMay 25, 2020 3:43pm

i loved this. so dark and digitally fatalistic.. she kept being part of legit, professional teams which fell apart for one reason or another… the fans scream and cheer to encourage players and hopefully have an impact on the game, but that beat is something that feels sinister and unmovable.

love the presentation of the material too (always)- read the wiki article and your notes which gave me much to think about in 91 seconds.

nickMay 25, 2020 3:39pm

I love how at 1:00 the loop keeps running but your vocals stay on the grid and it feels like the ground is shifting, and then the beat comes back in at 1:06. super strong moment. and all the lyrics, calligraphy and calculations, simple and repetitive. I really like some of the stranger sections. If anything, I would consider distilling it down to your favorite parts and letting it be a slightly smaller piece if you’re worried about listenability. crazy that you landed on the oldest living person—that is awesome.

juliapikerMay 25, 2020 3:29pm

Nora again- your voice is always making me feel warm. love the flute at the start

I hope you’re feeling better

peterMay 25, 2020 3:18pm

what a fun wiki find! love the track and vibe… love to see those lyrics!

i like the guitar/vocal balance but would mix down keys a bit (maybe have some of the higher notes pop out of the mix to create some dynamics). agree with @@ryan.mp3 about possibly removing or reducing the lower register of the keys

juliapikerMay 25, 2020 3:17pm

this is lovely. bright, full. everything is front and center. i love your chorus. always nice to hear a good lift after a soft intro.

krismccarthyMay 25, 2020 3:17pm

this is enchanting

krismccarthyMay 25, 2020 3:14pm

“”ohhh mine is so bad this week”” bruh this rules. IT IS PERFECT and I love the flutes 11/10

juliapikerMay 25, 2020 3:13pm

This makes my heart feel good. The flow of those flutes or bg soft synths are a PERFECT bed for this. They work really well tying the mix together. Great vocal mix. I honestly like everything about this track. That beautiful piano. I second nick’s lazy river comment. just pure good stuff. thank you!

krismccarthyMay 25, 2020 3:12pm

this song makes me want to commit arson but like in a good way. absolutely chilling I am so deeply shaken. this song makes me feel so many feelings I want more of it

juliapikerMay 25, 2020 3:08pm

beautiful beautiful

I really love the swirling. It’s very pretty. The rigidity of the talking quietly mixed behind this beautiful big wall of space and sound.. you are definitely doing it right with the mix. I would widen it even more. check out Ozone Imager: free stereo widening plugin. I think you might like it! =)

krismccarthyMay 25, 2020 3:11pm

thank you so much!! and yes im definitely a sucker for a big swirly mix, so ill certainly give that plugin a whirl. :)!!!

juliapikerMay 25, 2020 3:11pm

yes baby bring on the SYNTHZZZZZZZZZ.

i’m excited to learn more about your brain through music! I really really like the faint voices in the background. Great great choice.

juliapikerMay 25, 2020 3:09pm

i love your g-damn voice. it’s like warm milk. so so so beautiful

I love this. and i love the horns. This is folk for a sunday morning <3

nickMay 25, 2020 3:09pm

great vibe—definitely feel like im floatin. lazy river, a few snacks, just right. so glad to have you on this one!

peterMay 24, 2020 10:08pm

this is so beautiful!

peterMay 25, 2020 3:09pm

these vocal harmonies… damn.

balance and vibes keep me coming back to this track.

nickMay 25, 2020 3:00pm

such an interesting point to bring up, about the metronomic precision that usually goes hand in hand with midi arrangements. this piece is playful and grand and keeps my attention i think largely due to its amount of looseness. glad you went that route, and i think this will inspires me to consider this route in the future 🚀

peterMay 25, 2020 3:07pm

i love that everything feels like an echo of itself, and the looseness and organic tempo changes create the tension that makes this super interesting and enjoyable.

makes me feel very ready for a trip.. how ’bout heading to Main on Moon?

nickMay 25, 2020 3:06pm

i am so glad this song exists. oh man im loling listening to this again. i think the oom-pa-pa very much belongs in this song. suppper nice flute entrance at the end. glad you’re covid-free 😺

juliapikerMay 25, 2020 3:04pm

This is so beautiful sam. What a gorgeous voice and what a gorgeous song. Thank you for the live horns. <3

nickMay 25, 2020 2:38pm

Trumpet playing sounds incredible, Sam! Love these lyrics, too, especially the first verse. I do like how present the trumpet is—perhaps a little EQing of some specific hi-mids could tone it down into perfect… but it’s very nice as is. And I think the vocals and trumpet do a great job trading the spotlight.

juliapikerMay 25, 2020 3:04pm

I agree with nick re: kicking some hi end out of there to make room for you voice. I would actually kick up like 2 db btwn 4k and 6k.The trumpet is singing so beautifully, so is the voice. For them both to have the spotlight- i would get them to similar levels.

peterMay 25, 2020 3:01pm

i’m digging the space created by the swirling panning of the vocal track. i’d love to see lyrics of the spoken word if you are open to that!

krismccarthyMay 25, 2020 3:02pm

thank you and yeah I can put them up!!

CarseatMay 24, 2020 9:15pm

YEAAAA KRIS LETS GO

krismccarthyMay 25, 2020 3:02pm

hi darcy

nickMay 25, 2020 2:52pm

hi kris! i am a sucker for this kind of arrangement. Piano sounds great—nice and creepy/distant/ghostly. And I think all of the swirling elements weave together very nicely as a bed for the voice over. My only mix thing is that there appear to be a few moments when the low-end in the piano may be clipping and it’s a little scratchy. In a mix like this, it would be simple enough to remove with some cutting/pasting/crossfading of sections, as opposed to re-recording. Either way, great listen!

krismccarthyMay 25, 2020 3:02pm

hi nick!! Thank you for the mix tip- I was having trouble with that and wasn’t sure how to fix, so thank you!

peterMay 25, 2020 2:58pm

this is mind-blowing. i think you could make an album from this perspective.

does not sound flat- recording is beautiful and excitingly dynamic

nickMay 25, 2020 2:56pm

so fun. primo flute entrance. and real nice mix for 4 hours. um, i had oatmeal and coffee 

juliapikerMay 25, 2020 2:54pm

Laura i love the way you mix your vocals <3 I love the stereo movement. Also love the way you sing so quietly but it feels so present in the mix.

nickMay 25, 2020 2:44pm

more more more! such a dope beat. super distinct percussive stuff going on. my fav so far 🚂

daeclanMay 24, 2020 9:21pm

this is so intense & powerful. good god.

lowkey, i hope you don’t mind but my gf overheard me playing this & was like “what the fuck, that sounds amazing.” real cool lyrics/story & what commitment & spirit, inspiring fr

nickMay 25, 2020 2:43pm

inspiring fr fr

RyanMay 25, 2020 12:32pm

Sup Anders! Yeah big fan of this one. Love that organ pad. So freakin’ warm. Your vocal delivery (as always) is phenomenal. I want you to sing me to sleep JUST ONCE ANDERS GOD DAMMIT. Re: river flow — yep, I’d say the rolling piano part and harmony stack does that quite nicely.

RyanMay 25, 2020 12:27pm

Haha this is great. Oh the things you’ll find on Wikipedia, as they say. I think in the context of a fun song with some silly verses, the oom-pa-pa works nicely. And honestly, even in the more “serious” middle section it works nicely. Love the vocal arrangement and the way you get in and out of that middle section.

RyanMay 25, 2020 12:23pm

Dude, I love Synth Kris. This world makes so much sense to me. I think you struck the balance of loose and tight pretty dang well. Your vocals are awesome in this one. I hear some Animal Collective. This is more a composition/arrangement suggestion, but I would’ve loved to hear the bass motion embellished at one point with some big fat synth bass.

RyanMay 25, 2020 12:16pm

Could listen to your voice forever. Absolutely love that you address knowing nothing about the actual subject that Wikipedia provided you haha. Super clever. Great harmony choices, too. Lovely stuff.

RyanMay 25, 2020 11:46am

Another lovely submission, my man. I could absolutely still imagine a slow dance during this tune. Re: trumpet — I love its presence, but do think the sections in which it’s doing a little less are the most successful (i.e. the very ending). Only when it gets busy does it threaten the fundamental sway of the song. Re: edits — didn’t hear any noticeable editing and found the mix, performance and overall sound lovely. Will definitely be listening back to this one. Cheers!

peterMay 24, 2020 10:09pm

amazing submission, ry

keep it up!

RyanMay 25, 2020 11:10am

Thank you sensei!

peterMay 24, 2020 9:49pm

so happy you chose the trumpet over the organ! truly beautiful stuff, sam!

CarseatMay 24, 2020 9:41pm

I love the energy of this song. Slightly mocking to me, but in a very fun way. I very much resonated with it.

CarseatMay 24, 2020 9:40pm

Wow. I can hear the story telling. This is fantastic. I really dig the organ sound on the left pan. Creates a great vibe.

aubspeepsMay 24, 2020 9:38pm

I LOVE the lyric I’ve never been but from magazines I know wow. Also into the snacks lyric such a delightful surprise

I definitely get river feelings from the track

Beautiful job!

aubspeepsMay 24, 2020 9:30pm

excuse me this only took you 4 hours??? i love this, i absolutely love the way you did your vocals. i think this is awesome

RyanMay 24, 2020 9:26pm

Stoked you’re here, Dev! This track is really lovely. I’ve listened back a bunch of times. Just a great place to spend time. Re: mix — I think it sounds like there’s potentially a bit too much competition going on between the piano, acoustics and vocals. I think removing most of the low end from the keys (considering the part is in a high register anyways) would work well for freeing up some space. Verb it out a bit and let it be more of an ornamenting texture than a foundational part, ya know? Between the acoustics and vocals is a little tougher, but I think the wide panning on the guitars might separate them out enough as is. I’m not yet a MASTER MIXER, so I’ll leave it at that. This is a great submission. Well done.

CarseatMay 24, 2020 9:24pm

I really like the tri-tone dissonance happening with the guitar. The pa-pa’s are real groovy. I’m a fan!

aubspeepsMay 24, 2020 9:22pm

um oh my god i love this so much??!!!! what the hell one of the first things i thought was this mix is banging i am obsessed with everything about this, you are singing in russian??? wow

CarseatMay 24, 2020 9:21pm

I really liked this! I really felt the extra-terrestrial music box vibes.

aubspeepsMay 24, 2020 9:18pm

im so obsessed with the trumpet in this! what the hell! such a good choice. i love that this is just guitar and trumpet, its so simple but so full of emotion. i could not tell you edited a word out and I thought it was all mixed well together especially your voice which is so beautiful

daeclanMay 24, 2020 9:18pm

this is so gentle & warm, sam ! like the morning sun melting the clouds. the trumpet fits real nicely, adds soul & feels right. curious what it’d sound like w organ(s) instead but this works well.

listening on macbook speakers but it sounds very balanced & easy. solid sounds man

CarseatMay 24, 2020 9:08pm

I love this. So much. The intro. Had me in space. The harmonic mood. Wow. Yes. It’s very mixolydian but slips really nicely out of it. Real smooth.

RyanMay 24, 2020 9:15pm

Ah, good! Was hoping that transition worked! Glad you dig it! 🤓

RyanMay 24, 2020 9:16pm

Ah, good! Was hoping that transition worked! Glad you dig it! 🤓

CarseatMay 24, 2020 9:12pm

Holy crap.

CarseatMay 24, 2020 9:10pm

I love everything about this. The trumpet is such a nice touch oh my goodness.

BenMay 24, 2020 9:04pm

ANDERS, welcome! This is beautiful. It is flowing. I’ve also possibly never heard the word “snacks” in a song.

BenMay 10, 2020 7:07pm

so excited to choose a color on a gradient that spans wide hues.

Sam PearceMay 11, 2020 3:26pm

Haha same. Complementary ones at that.

peterMay 24, 2020 7:56pm

compliments should go to nora but she’s passing the credit along to her eternal inspiration.. the miami dolphins

alechutsonMay 12, 2020 6:22pm

doooope love the mysterious feels you’ve got going on. very compelling chord choices and voicings.

CarseatMay 24, 2020 4:46pm

Thanks so much!

juliapikerMay 12, 2020 1:33pm

I just love this. I love it so much. Your voice is like warm milk.

Mix wise I am REALLY feeling the low end support. And god the way you build your voice. I want to write a SONG WITH YOU!!!! There are so many lovely lush layers to this mix. The writing is interesting and different and it grows and retreats. Really really awesome submission.

Mix note: I would actually brighten your vocal. Right now it’s sitting along with the rest of your instrumentation. I would mix your vocal a TINY bit hotter and and kick up the high end just a slight smidge. Keep the instruments where they are- theyre great.

CarseatMay 24, 2020 4:46pm

Oh my god I’d be honored to write with you. ICE CREAM is my JAM. Like. Holy crap.

Sam PearceMay 11, 2020 2:39pm

Hi Darcy, my name is Sam, and I enjoyed this first acquaintance with your music. I find this song beautiful and disturbing, and I don’t mean the following as a characterization of the music itself, but the feeling I got reminded a little of what I feel when I listen to what I’ll cautiously call ballads by Radiohead, like “No Surprises” and “Sail to The Moon”. Seconding what Nick said, I think your guitar playing and singing are strong and, as far I know given the limited scope of my listening, singular. Looking forward to hearing more!

CarseatMay 24, 2020 4:44pm

Thanks so much! I looove “Sail to the Moon”. Ugh. So good.

nickMay 11, 2020 9:32am

Fantastic submission, Darcy. Your guitar playing and singing have such distinct character. Love the mood you went with, and a lot of your mixing decisions support it (per ryan’s comment, the high creepy/glimmery guitar notes are perfect—they remind me of St. Vincent’s live “Paris is Burning”). All of these musical comparisons (or at least the ones you like) can be great for comparing your mix to. Listen back and forth and try and find frequencies present in their vocals that are missing from yours. I find that process super helpful, and also rewarding once you get your track sounding like “the pros”. Great job!

nickMay 11, 2020 9:35am

Oh also, I have been pouring over this track trying to find the Xtina melody. Have not found it yet, but I will be continuing my search indefinitely.

CarseatMay 24, 2020 4:43pm

Awesome, thanks so much, Nick! I’ll definitely have to give that a go. As for “Paris is Burning”, that’s one of my all-time FAVORITE St. Vincent songs. Very humbled by your comparison of me to her.

Xtina is in there. She’s hiding a little, but once you hear her you can’t go back.

RyanMay 21, 2020 4:08pm

This is my favorite submission of yours so far, Justin. Really admire how you managed to pull off an implicit chorus. We only get to hear the last section once because of the nature of a one minute long track, but it hits and feels like a perfectly-executed chorus. Quite in love with it, really.

RyanApril 25, 2020 4:12pm

Nico, how do you record acoustic geet? Like, what mic and what placement?

nickApril 26, 2020 8:57pm

I usually just record direct with the aura setting on my acoustic. Sometimes I throw a mic up, but rarely, and with reckless abandon.

RyanMay 21, 2020 4:02pm

Madness. I love it.

nurphgunMay 17, 2020 2:41pm

This is just lovely. It sounds fantastic. I understand the disappointment of not producing something that sounds like “you”—I approach these assignments with hope they’ll lead me to uncover something deep & true within myself, but it doesn’t always happen. Glad you were able to enjoy paying homage to some greats and know that you wrote something incredibly sweet that sounds so good.

RyanMay 18, 2020 10:03am

Thanks, Nora. Glad you think it sounds good. Learning about properly tracking and mixing has been such a rewarding experience. 10/10 would recommend to all. Re: assignments uncovering something — yeah! And they often do. But I think it’s super important to remember that the experimental nature of this kind of creative resource also means your submission might just be a learning experience, which is what this week’s was for me. So long as one is prepared for either, it’s tough to be disappointed with the work you put in.

aubspeepsMay 12, 2020 8:34pm

Ryan I really like this; I love the lyrics, and being told or telling someone youre alright is so emotional in and of itself and I love that reassurance to help someone relax and sleep. I think your voice sounds really lovely and I think the quieter singing works well for the lullaby aspect

RyanMay 18, 2020 9:59am

Thanks, Aubrey! Yeah I was hoping ‘you’re alright’ would just sort of the capture that super simple sentiment that really translates to ‘I’m here for you’. Plus the original tune is called “Yer So Bad” so I liked just completely flipping that. ‘Preciate you listening, as always.

juliapikerMay 12, 2020 1:56pm

Ryan yep. yes. yes. Oh yeah.
Flutes in the intro are a definitely yes for me. Vocals are beautiful I ALWAYS love your harmonies. Your voice is sitting right in the center of the mix, it’s essentially playing an instrument. You can really go either way here. I like it BOTH ways. The vocal is sitting in the same space as the guitars. So rather then the guitars and all other instrumentation being at the base of the mix and your vocal being “Inserted” or “mixed” in afterward- both the vox and guitar are working together to dynamically achieve the same thing. They are all on an equal playing field. Does that make sense?

Also- would love to hear a track where you really PUSH your vocal forward. You’ve expressed in the past being meh about that. But you really have a great voice and I’d love to hear that voice as an identifiable hero of the mix, not buried.

Quit burying those vox bb boy

RyanMay 18, 2020 9:56am

Then boy have I got the track for you! *fast forward to next Sunday*

Yeah, it was tough to decide what to do space-wise with the guitars and vocals. I like relatively lush and busy guitar parts (no matter how hard I try lol) that take up a lot of space, and in this case, with a three-part harmony on the vocal, I ended up feeling like everything kind of had to occupy similar space. EQ’d some low end out of the vocals to clear out some space for the guitars and tried to make the electric guitar parts pretty distinct in tone, but ultimately yes, they all are dynamically working together. I’m glad it worked at least in some regard.

I love em both — burying vox and exposing vox. Probably the former more often. I’ll work on the latter. Thanks for listening, amiga.

Sam PearceMay 10, 2020 10:20pm

I love how there’s a 1:1 word:note ratio until the “hold” of “holding”. In that moment it’s kind of like you’re wrapping around the listener with melody. Regarding phrasing, I think it’s compelling throughout, and I noticed that you sang two notes on “how” when that part comes back, a variation that I think is subtle and convincing. I clearly don’t know without asking, but I imagine that given your query and your training, you assess your singing in some dimensions that I don’t necessary know how to consider, which is awesome, having that awareness. I’ll listen one more time to see if I notice any phrasing that takes me away from, instead of into, the feeling of the song.

Sam PearceMay 10, 2020 10:23pm

Yeah, listening again, I just noticed a couple more details that I like. I think if there are specific moments you have doubts about, I could offer an outside perspective on those particular concerns.

nurphgunMay 17, 2020 3:19pm

Thank you Sam! So appreciate that you took the time to listen so closely and notice those differences in the phrasing of “how”—that was def intentional. There weren’t any specific places I was concerned about, it’s just a very strong/forward melody that jumps all over the place, so I wanted to make sure my phrasing was able to tamper that down a bit.

nurphgunMay 17, 2020 3:12pm

This is so nice. Super warm bedroom-EP vibes.

nickMay 11, 2020 10:35am

man it’s funny the things you gloss over. really didn’t think about the title until i read sam’s comment. anyway, I think this is wonderful. the lyric sam called out is superb. not just the lyric itself, but how “other” breaks the rhyme and introduces a new little rhythm. love it. my only lyrical critique would be where your final line is “as long as you want it.” Maybe there is a way to better get across that, whether you want it or not, it will be there. Just a thought from a theoretical parent.

justinalbanielMay 12, 2020 8:02pm

Thanks Nick! And yeah man I was stuck on that line, definitely not the strongest. Appreciate the feedback

nurphgunMay 17, 2020 3:02pm

^ Yeah, I agree with Nick; “whether you want it or not, it will be there” could be a powerful way to end it. Still there was something about “as long as you want” that I liked… I interpreted it more like, “I will *take care of you* as long as you want,” and when you’re ready to fly free, I’ll let you.

nurphgunMay 17, 2020 2:51pm

I’m growing to instantly recognize and love your sound. Great melody, as always. This is such small potatoes but for some reason the note sung on the phrase “the other” + the chord underneath it was a little too crunchy for me; I’d love to hear what it sounds like with the melody altered slightly at the end of that phrase so it leads into the next part. Honestly the lyrics are the true champion of this song. “Just know you’ve come from my love and it stays as long as you want”—holy shit. That’s a gorgeous and profound take on parenthood. Well done.

ZMay 14, 2020 10:34pm

This would make such a dope first track of an album.

ZMay 14, 2020 10:28pm

so. many. pun. opportunities. must. resist.

That is a *pure* lullaby, well done.

juliapikerMay 12, 2020 1:25pm

Sam so nice!!!!!
Key- I’m always fucking around with moving around my key to see where my voice sits best. It’s really up to you if you want to be closer to your head voice or sit more in your chest. I think for the sake of this track it’s sitting in a really sweet spot. Would be curious to hear it lower down too thought

I love adore “ya”.

Sam PearceMay 14, 2020 8:47am

Thank you, Julia! Yeah, I think I just finished agonizing over the key for my next song.

alechutsonMay 12, 2020 6:24pm

So meditative and soothing. The first line doesn’t jump out at me as derivative, and nothing sounds forced.
Great job!

Sam PearceMay 14, 2020 8:45am

Thank you!

juliapikerApril 23, 2020 6:07pm

I love the way you used the bike wheel in this!! Great track!!

froebusinessApril 25, 2020 3:36pm

Thanks! Bike wheel, so hot right now.

nickMay 13, 2020 10:31am

digging this track right now, and wow, the bike wheel.

alechutsonMay 12, 2020 6:19pm

So warm and comforting, the perfect quality for a lullaby. Really dig the mix and intimacy of the recording. Great job as usual!

nickMay 13, 2020 10:11am

🙂 thanks alec

juliapikerMay 12, 2020 1:29pm

Sounds so soft and nice nick. thanks for writing a perfect lullaby
I am LOVING the atmosphere on this. the room noise is or isn’t intentional? but it works really well. I like hearing where you are, it gives the mix more intimacy. Your vocal is sitting in a really nice place mix wise. For tracks like this I like hearing a close mix, no wide stereo, just you and the uke. I like everything about this.

nickMay 13, 2020 10:10am

thanks JD. re room noice, expected more than intentional… my recording space is next to a bunch of windows next to a street. figured it would be a nice touch on this one, though.

nickMay 13, 2020 10:11am

thanks JD. re room noice, expected more than intentional… my recording space is next to a bunch of windows next to a street. figured it would be a nice touch on this one, though.

TengoMay 11, 2020 10:04pm

Nick, this is beautiful. This feels like some of the hidden tracks at the end of epic album closers that I would look for as a kid and sit there and rewind the CD manually so I could just live in those short songs for as long as possible. So beautiful so so lovely

nickMay 13, 2020 10:07am

oh love to hear that, thanks buddy

juliapikerMay 12, 2020 1:47pm

Girl you’re not just an opera singer you’re a straight up soul/blues singer.
I love the intro dip “Ahhhhhhh”

Is it weird that I hear an accordion fully supporting you behind this?
Really awesome submission!!

aubspeepsMay 12, 2020 8:30pm

thanks girlfrienddddddd; not weird that could be a veryyy cool idea; its just my guitar on the track with some effects on it

juliapikerMay 12, 2020 2:01pm

your lyrics are beautiful. They feel like they come from a place of knowing and experience. I’m not a great lyricist so I often feel odd commenting on the lyrics other write, but these feel extremely cohesive and meaningful.
What kind of Piano are you using? I LOVE the sound.
Your voice is brilliant.

justinalbanielMay 12, 2020 8:06pm

Ahh thanks so much! So many kind words. I’m glad you enjoyed the track~~ I believe I used the Piano V2 from Arturia and possibly layered it with ‘The Giant’ by Native instruments and then added some roomy reverb. Thanks again!

justinalbanielMay 12, 2020 8:06pm

Ahh thanks so much! So many kind words. I’m glad you enjoyed the track~~ I believe I used the Piano V2 from Arturia and possibly layered it with ‘The Giant’ by Native instruments and then added some roomy reverb. Thanks again!

aubspeepsMay 11, 2020 1:55pm

Ok wow I LOVE the lyrics! I love the push and pull between past and future, fear and hope, letting go and moving on; to me these are all essential to the process of growing up and I do feel the lyrics encompass the feelings of a parent watching this process occurring to their kiddo. Love the production and arrangement to, it all feels nostalgic and hopeful at the same time. Well done

justinalbanielMay 12, 2020 8:03pm

Ahh thanks, I love to hear how others see it.

Sam PearceMay 10, 2020 10:42pm

I like the lyrics as they are. I’m also not a parent, but having been a child, this lyric hit me in the heart, “as fear holds your hand/and hope holds the other.” I found the melody and arrangement moving too. It feels like a more substantial journey than I’d expect from one minute. When I considered the titled, I free associated to Bad Bunny’s album YHLQMDLG (yo hago lo que me da la gana/I do what I feel like) and smiled at how different those two sentiments are, but more relevantly, I think the coded title is cool because it made me look into the lyrics to find it, like a secret that is eager to be known.

justinalbanielMay 12, 2020 8:01pm

Thanks so much! Yeah I had a couple songs in my recents with acronyms as titles like that new Bon Iver single, PDLIF and when I wrote it that way it felt pretty good. Love how you saw it

alechutsonMay 12, 2020 6:27pm

so powerful lyrically while your voice stays so soothing. I agree with nick’s comment on recording quality being a really nice texture. beautifully done

BenMay 1, 2020 4:23pm

welp, still listening to this one…

RyanMay 12, 2020 3:59pm

<3

nickMay 10, 2020 12:36pm

Lot of great comments here. Love the ‘set it and forget it’ dynamics. Small lyrical worlds are my favorite places, and this one is especially pleasant. My mixing notes are primarily on the programmed drums, which just inherently can’t match the mangled humanity of the rest of the song, and which more importantly will become moot when you get a live drummer (I know a guy) on this puppy and send it into the rockosphere. Cheers, mdude.

nickMay 10, 2020 12:37pm

That being said, overall, really great job programming the drums. But you know what I mean.

RyanMay 12, 2020 3:59pm

I do indeed know what you mean. I don’t think I’ll ever prefer programmed drums. But I am starting to become interested in the combination of programmed loops or samples in addition to live drumming—though that’s only conceptual. Haven’t gotten to try it out yet. If you start riding your bike now we could probably have drums tracked by Wednesday or so. Something to think about.

juliapikerMay 12, 2020 1:41pm

You know how much I love your singing. And Harvest Moon is one of my favorites forever.
I actually have a vocal note. This is an AMAZING call . The instrumental melody created by voice is always one of my favorite things artists do. I think atmosphere is always awesome. I wonder if having each “oooh” start small and grow . Small crescendo on each ooh. Could compliment the lyrics. Let your garden grow. I think it can also provide some nice texture variation.

so like “ooOOH” instead of “OOOOOH”

does that make sense?

nickMay 12, 2020 2:50pm

oh i feel that

nickMay 12, 2020 2:50pm

*ooOOH i feel that

juliapikerMay 12, 2020 1:57pm

THIS IS A WALL OF SOUND babyyyyyy. The mix sounds intentionally muddy, sounds like something is going as an intentional wall filter or atmospheric filter of some kind. I LOVE your singing dude I feel like I’ve never heard it before. Can we hear more lush Agasthya vocal textures?

juliapikerMay 12, 2020 1:49pm

I love your submissions. They’re always so out of the box and unique. The piano is pretty.
I don’t know if Aubrey Peeples can see this but I think you guys should collaborate. I hear your voices sitting really nicely together on something that could be in the style of Beirut.

juliapikerMay 12, 2020 1:37pm

Hi!! Being the most skilled guitarist I feel isn’t the most important. I really enjoyed this. The picking works nicely! I was more focused on your song!!! Welcome to Ncbc!!!

juliapikerMay 12, 2020 1:35pm

God.. every time Nora you are an angel. Your voice is perfect on this. I love the phrasing as well. I dont find there to be too many lyrics at all. I really enjoyed the vocal phrasing as it perfectly followed your guitar movement. Really beautiful.

TengoMay 11, 2020 10:02pm

Ry, this is a sweet spot for you that you should keep exploring. Way to turn Yer So Bad’s hook into a great lullaby. I want to hear you do more CSN style harmony arrangements plz

RyanMay 12, 2020 11:06am

Thanks man! I like the idea of trying to dash in those CSN-y moments. It felt a touch inauthentic to build a song off of it with like, cowboy chords and nothing weird whatsoever haha. But I did sneak in that little semi-tone chord in the e-guitar part hehe. I think finding spots for it going forward would be rewarding, though.

nickMay 11, 2020 10:51am

Sweet tune. I think the guitars are especially nicely played and recorded. The care you put into your guitar tones is absolutely something I associate with all of your tracks, and you as an artist, and consider every time I am choosing a default setting… I also struggled with quiet/strong vocals. Many takes. Not sure how much you played with this, but a combination of a higher input volume on the mic, singing closer to the mic, and probably mixing down the guitars a touch would allow a lighter vocal performance to stand out more.

RyanMay 12, 2020 10:59am

Hey thanks—very appreciate re: geetars. I only played around with that a bit. Probably should’ve done more. Was more singing in a variety of styles, pushing out different amounts of air, getting into different headspaces, etc. But yeah that’s interesting—should’ve thought to see what altering the actual engineering might yield. Will experiment with that.

Sam PearceMay 10, 2020 9:24pm

I like the singing. I think sometimes singing softly brings out the identifying color of a person’s voice, and I’m getting that from yours here. It’s pretty, in the best way. Definitely not weak. I can’t judge a mix the way a person who has professional skills would, but the electric tone seems right, emotionally, and the two acoustic guitars, one in each ear, is also working for me. I can’t tell for sure, but they sound like the same guitar, so if you wanted the parts to be less blended and more independent, you could either process them in slightly different ways or record one part on a different guitar. I really couldn’t say whether that would sound any better than what you already have, just a possible direction in which to try tweaking the arrangement, if you’re interested in that.

RyanMay 12, 2020 10:58am

Thanks, Sammo. I think in retrospect I should’ve made the acoustic guitars ‘smaller’, and I think that could fall into what you’re suggesting—about giving them a slightly different treatment from the vocals. But the tune started with guitars, so they became the bedrock, as is too often the case with the chronology of songwriting. Trying to get better about that!

TengoMay 11, 2020 10:08pm

First song, hell yea! I dig it

TengoMay 11, 2020 10:03pm

Love the glock, this makes me want to cuddle with a dog, so mission very much accomplished?

Sam PearceMay 11, 2020 2:50pm

Hey Mateus, I really like the line “the night will wash away the weeds”. And I didn’t even register that it was a cappella until I read your description. I don’t really have the knowledge to answer your mix question, but I enjoyed this, and I could also imagine enjoying a version that has this as an overture, followed by a variation that expands and details the space with other sounds, vocal or otherwise. Not that this feels incomplete in any way – I just think it has the emotional momentum to continue, if you wanted that.

TengoMay 11, 2020 10:00pm

Thank you, Sam! I think that’s my favorite line too…just letting things take care of themselves sometimes

nickMay 11, 2020 10:07am

Incredible lyrics, and incredible melody matching. Perfect combination of clever and sweet. I agree that the lead vocal could use some more presence. To me, the lead vocal sounds very live and a little distant, while the background vocals sound more studio edited/super up-close, so maybe working to align their space could help the whole thing feel more ‘single room’.

TengoMay 11, 2020 9:59pm

Thanks! I agree. I spent more time EQing and verbing out the harmony stacks then I did the lead, and never felt like I quite got them to exist in the same space

nurphgunMay 10, 2020 9:31pm

I love the overall sentiment of this song; it’s very sweet. The “Harvest Moon”/garden theme is clever. (Also, I always forget that song came out in the 90s! Neil is so timeless. Ugh, I love him.) Agree w/ Ryan that the lead line could be a bit louder in the mix. The sung chords were a nice choice, though–very soothing and lighthearted.

TengoMay 11, 2020 9:58pm

Thanks, Nora! Hope you’re free of quarantine v soon!

RyanMay 10, 2020 7:30pm

This reminds me of when a band of relatively heavy-set gentlemen ghouls used to ghost in through the walls of my childhood bedroom (nightly) and sing me a barbershop-esque hymn about agriculture. Hauntingly similar, honestly.

Re: your mix Q — I think you did a great job shaping the room. I wouldn’t mind that lead vocal poking out more. But you’ve certainly got a good room built. Also an excellent job on sneaking in the ‘harvest moon’ melody—love the way that gels seamlessly with the rest of the tune. Great title, too. Well done, mate.

TengoMay 11, 2020 9:58pm

I spent at least five minutes laughing so hard at your comment. It was also mega cathartic after having an epically tough time recording a version of this that even felt remotely good enough to post, so being able to laugh reminded me of the fun I should be having with music. Thank you my friend

aubspeepsMay 10, 2020 6:40pm

DUDE I am LOVING the fact that you did the chords vocally instead of instrumentally!! it really accomplishes bringing a lot of emotion to such a short piece, very cool vibes. The lyrics being nature-based feel very atmospheric as well making this a pretty visceral listening experience, well done

TengoMay 11, 2020 9:57pm

thank you!!

nickMay 11, 2020 3:12pm

Super warm, and really strong low notes. Love the voice memo quality of this one, grabbing the traffic noise as if on cue. In regards to vocal phrasing, I love for the most part how it is straight and simple—easy for kid to latch onto. However, if I were to pick a spot where you could add something, I think grabbing a big breath to carry you through the bridge, and placing “fever” at the peak could be very impactful—maybe letting the walls shake a little bit. I can imagine that being the scary part of this lullaby’s Pixar movie. Really excellent all around.

Sam PearceMay 11, 2020 3:08pm

Hi Julia! I like the bookends of “shhh”. Glock sounds right, and it pays off that you took the time to record that moment in stereo, or edit it to that effect. I’m also impressed that you fit two iterations of the melody into this tiny space of a minute (I had a hard time with that), and I think the harmony is just the right amount of “new” for the second time.

Sam PearceMay 11, 2020 3:02pm

This lilting, incessant phrasing is fresh and inspiring. Makes me want to try writing something with this intensity of motion, even though I don’t know what the heck would happen:) I’ve enjoyed all three of your pieces so far, and I think this one hooked me the most immediately.

nickMay 11, 2020 10:39am

I actually love the muddiness and the wonky guitar—sets a beautiful/weathered/warbly scene. I only think that the background vocals that come in in the middle could be brought down a fair amount. They seem to take the focus away from the lead vocal, and I think they may work better as support, however subtle. I do really like them, just quieter. Love hearing your voice this way 🙂

aubspeepsMay 11, 2020 1:47pm

fully agree with this; I really like the lyrics too, simple, but universal. I would listen to this before trying to sleep, it’s soothing

nickMay 11, 2020 3:00pm

also wow, just got some airpods like literally 3 minutes ago. had been listening with old timey apple heasdphones with the cable. everything was so much bassier, which made the background vocals a little overwhelming. so I would say i’m about 25% behind my comment.

Sam PearceMay 11, 2020 2:56pm

I think it’s awesome how chromatic and rhythmic this is. I have a hard time writing music that isn’t completely diatonic, and I saw a “lullabye” as an opportunity to fall back on that. I think this song is soothing and you managed to make it that way with syncopation and a range of color.

RyanMay 11, 2020 1:02pm

Came back to this one this morning. Just really freaking nice.

Sam PearceMay 11, 2020 2:23pm

Thank you, man 🙂

nickMay 11, 2020 10:29am

From the little bit of music (three submissions) I’ve heard from you, I’m so excited by your trajectory. You have a musical boldness and freedom and fluidity, and you’re at the beginning of your recording/mixing journey. I would only affirm your thought to keep experimenting with your techniques. There is so much to utilize in these recording softwares that it can be overwhelming, and very easy to stick with what you know. Watch a few random youtube tutorials on Logic, try a few new sounds. This is long-term advice, but I’m just excited by your position, and can’t help myself. Looking forward to all the new music ahead.

aubspeepsMay 11, 2020 1:37pm

Thank you so much! You’re right I definitely need to delve more into learning logic, I will start checkin out some youtube videos! I really want to expand the sounds I’m working with, my original plan for this song was to incorporate/feature mellotron sounds, but my midi controller hasn’t arrived yet. Thank you so much for your encouragement and advice!

nurphgunMay 10, 2020 7:59pm

Is there a cool sneaky synth at 0:10 in, or are those ghost notes coming from the guitar? Very cool. Agree with Ryan about the final three lines. Learning the melody there is “A Whole New World” is such a trip — it’s crazy how context is everything when it comes to melodies. But learning that makes me like the final line even more (“say we’re only dreaming” / “I’d already be dreaming”). The lyrics to the songs you’ve posted so far have a raw, stream-of-conscious quality; they’re an honest, organic conversation you’re having with yourself, there’s always a give-and-take, a very real sense of inner conflict comes through, and I wouldn’t want your songs to lose that characteristic – but I would love to see you incorporate some more imagery or some unusual/unexpected words into your tunes. I’m thinking of the word “medication” in your previous submission and how unexpected and cool that was.

aubspeepsMay 11, 2020 1:35pm

The sound you’re hearing is a chord I played on guitar that I put an affect on to sound more synth-like, in my attempt to get some variety in the music; love your advice about wording/lyrics, I will definitely take that into consideration for the next challenge!

RyanMay 10, 2020 7:03pm

As always, you put your voice on display so confidently—a boldness I could *certainly* learn from haha. I don’t want you to lose that, because your voice is beautiful—but I would love to hear you allow the instrumentation to hug your voice just a bit more. I think it would illuminate more of the atmosphere and therefore provide a fuller picture of what you’re expressing—would maybe even influence your writing. That’s not perfectly articulated, but hopefully you know what I mean haha. Oh also—very much enjoyed the lyrics. Especially that last trio. Well done.

aubspeepsMay 11, 2020 1:34pm

Thank you! I fully agree with you about the instrumentation; I should have a keyboard and a midi controller arriving this week which I think will make it a lot easier for me to get some more instrumentation and more variety of sounds goin, I’m so limited on guitar. This is great advice that I will definitely follow!

aubspeepsMay 11, 2020 1:34pm

Thank you! I fully agree with you about the instrumentation; I should have a keyboard and a midi controller arriving this week which I think will make it a lot easier for me to get some more instrumentation and more variety of sounds goin, I’m so limited on guitar. This is great advice that I will definitely follow!

nickMay 11, 2020 10:55am

Glock is good 4 me.

RyanMay 10, 2020 7:07pm

I love everything about the piano in this track. Composition, tone, performance—well done. You’re a killer pianist. Voice kills it, too, always. You actually nail what I think I did *not*, which is singing quietly because it makes sense to for this assignment, while still sounding strong! I just sound like I’m struggling for air when I sing like that haha. One matter of opinion: I think if there were only one “shh” it would be more powerful than many. Give Pashito a hug for me.

nickMay 11, 2020 10:54am

****the piano**** so sick.

nurphgunMay 10, 2020 8:14pm

This is beautiful. The vocal phrasing is spot-on, and I love how close your voice is. Really admire your discipline in keeping it simple. I’ve always thought of a lullaby as something that yes, is simple enough for babies to understand, but is also simple enough for someone who isn’t a “singer” to sing and have it sound pretty, and I think this song accomplishes both.

nickMay 11, 2020 10:54am

Great point about the simplicity to sing—really well accomplished here. It’s funny because as I type this it sounds like it could be a backhanded compliment, but as someone with your range and technical ability, you know what I’m talking about. Writing simple is hard.

aubspeepsMay 10, 2020 6:44pm

I love the piano in this, and I love the lyric “leave your oversized sweater on the chair,” so tactile we can immediately feel the intimacy of the moment of going to bed; I love your voice so my one note of feedback would be that it gets a bit lost in the mix towards the end. I was immediately struck by how beautiful your voice is the first time I heard it and I would love to hear more of it! 🙂

nickMay 11, 2020 10:13am

Yeah, i love the last phrase in the lyrics. I also agree about missing your voice at the end. Sleep on, brother.

Sam PearceMay 10, 2020 9:11pm

Welcome, Chef Joey! Yeah, playing the chord on 1 and hitting the strings on 3, like you do, sounds great (and I second Ryan’s suggestion of arpeggios as a good next thing to try). I listened to “Plush” a few times, and I do hear where you got the idea for the melody, but it sounds and feels different enough in the context of your lyrics and the chords you use that, to me, your song feels very much like its own song. This may seem trivial, but I’ve listened several times and now I just need to know – what is the word you sing between “fall” and “over”? I think I hear “out”, but I’m not sure. Great work, man. Proud of you.

nickMay 11, 2020 10:12am

I agree, I don’t think I know you, but I am definitely proud of you for writing your first song! Great use of Plush’s melody here, and I love the lyrics.

nurphgunMay 10, 2020 10:07pm

So beautiful. I like the mix a lot–love how dry it is. The word “metallic” came to mind, maybe because I’m very aware of the uke strings (I know they’re nylon, but still?), and because your voice is bright and clear. The singing’s actually flawless. I love how the whole tune kind of centers around that bluesy bit in the melody–that’s the piece that makes it lullaby-ish to me; it’s simple and memorable.

nickMay 11, 2020 9:14am

Thanks Nor. It’s actually a Baritone Ukulele with two metallic strings and two nylons. It’s super fun to play, and yes, part of my mixing struggle came from getting across the bright and crispy qualities of the metal strings and omitting the tinny pokey parts. And im glad you like that little riff. It’s meant to be a sort of spinning-mobile-play-thing that a child would look forward to hearing/playing with/figuring out each night.

aubspeepsMay 10, 2020 6:25pm

it sounds lovely; I love hearing your voice more it’s really beautiful
Nothing about any of your tracks ever sounds forced, your music is something you can just drop right into and be there if that makes sense (it does in my head). You seem to be able to do this spanning a variety of styles and that grounded feeling is something I’m starting to associate with you; when this came on I felt settled in my chest and I knew it was yours. Great job!

nickMay 11, 2020 9:08am

that is incredibly sweet, aubrey. i do get a kick out of genre spanning, but i often worry about spreading myself too thin. im glad you for one see my personality come through across these few different approaches 🙂

RyanMay 10, 2020 7:39pm

This is a very nice one. Your voice is—quite good. And I dig the mix. Would be curious if you tried widening the stereo field on the uke, but I don’t think it’s necessary. Nothing about the mix bothers me.

I always think about you when I find myself putting a little doohicky in a track like that hammer/pulloff on the uke in the first few seconds of this tune, which you later mock in the vocal. You’ve got one of those brains that easily sees every variation of even the smallest idea, and I always try to learn from that. I think you do an expert job using several natural-sounding variations of that tiny moment. It’s never overdone. This was heartwarming.

nickMay 11, 2020 9:05am

Thanks Ry. I’m glad you enjoyed the doohickey and all its cousins. And yeah, I fooled around with the width of the uke, but I couldn’t quite give it that space without overdoing it, so I went for a simpler approach. I guess kyle is “worth the money” or whatever.

nurphgunMay 10, 2020 9:21pm

“and compared to them I am next to you” — that’s quite a lyric; I love it so much. It’s a perfect lullabye sentiment. It’s not easy to use stars as metaphors in an original way but you’ve done it. I don’t know what melody-from-a-famous-song you used, even after humming it myself a few times, so there you go. I found “for ya” to be very pleasing to the ear, it’s sweet and playful. But since you do tend to have a relatively formal approach to your phrasing, maybe it is a bit out of place? I’m not sure. Maybe if you found more little places to similarly playful, it’d fit better. Overall I love this and it’s been stuck in my head for a little while now.

Sam PearceMay 10, 2020 9:47pm

Thank you, Nora! I’m happy you enjoyed it. That lyric is also the one that I feel the most sincerely, but I was also worried about it being too something…”technical” maybe, so I’m glad it works for you too. I like that idea, of trying to be more playful with it in general seeing how that sounds. It’s tricky with a one minute piece, right? Every conscious decision seems to count for a lot and risk throwing of the balance of the song. And as I mentioned in reply to Ryan, the famous song is “What is Love” by Haddaway.

nickMay 11, 2020 8:59am

I really love all these comments and totally agree. That lyric is excellent. I do think the “ya” took me out a bit. I love the way the rest is sung though, so I don’t necessarily think “playfull-izing” is the right move, but heck, definitely worth experimenting. Great job, sam.

aubspeepsMay 10, 2020 6:28pm

Um I love your voice wow your tone is so awesome especially for this style and haunting chord progression. Super into this vibe, and I really like how it ends unresolved. I can’t offer much as far as mixing goes, I’m trying to figure that out myself, but great job!

CarseatMay 11, 2020 6:52am

Wow thank you! I’m so humbled that you like my sound — your voice is insane too.

RyanMay 10, 2020 7:13pm

Darcy! Glad you’re here. This track is suuuuper cool. Really love the character of your voice. It’s extremely unique, but it does remind me of one of my favorite singers. Do you know the band Another Sky? The lead singer’s voice is incredible. Check out their EP “Forget Yourself” if you get the chance. Mix-wise, I think you did a great job balancing the voice and guitar, both of which are pretty dark in tone (that higher octave guitar part helps a lot—great decision there). I think you could probably get a little more out of the mid-high range of the vocals to let it differentiate itself just a bit more, but overall, I think you killed it. Well done!

CarseatMay 11, 2020 6:50am

Hey Ryan! Thanks so much! I haven’t heard of Another Sky — I’ll have to check them out. And thank you for the mixing notes — I always like to hear how I can improve on that.

nurphgunMay 10, 2020 9:26pm

This is a really cool song. In this assignment, a few people have tapped into the fact that children’s stories, music, etc. can be really disconcerting and creepy, and I like that you’ve leaned into that, here. The arpeggios in the latter half of the tune remind me of “Subterranean Homesick Alien”; that plus the sheep line are giving me OK Computer energy. I love the way your voice sounds; the light and close-up consonants are really well sung and well recorded.

CarseatMay 11, 2020 6:47am

Hey thank you so much! I absolutely adore Radiohead, so I am honored that you associated me with their sound.

Sam PearceMay 10, 2020 10:31pm

Hey Agasthya, I really like this. I haven’t listened to all of your work, but I associate you with powerful percussion and catchy, syncopated phrases, and it was cool to hear this piece that is all about melody and harmony with no percussion. The second time I listened, I thought of “I Found a Reason” by The Velvet Underground. The mix is muddy, if you can hear that word purely as a descriptor, not a detractor, and I think it works well. I guess, now, with the luxury of time, you could do a “save as”, try cleaning it up, and seeing which you like better.

nurphgunMay 10, 2020 10:16pm

This is lovely. The lyrics and your singing are great—really playful and sweet, it sounds like a real lullaby or kids’ song. I think letting the chords ring would give it more of a soothing feel. “Plush” is such a great song, I’ve listened to it a thousand times, and still would not have recognized the melody if you hadn’t disclosed it. So fun to hear it in this very different context.

Sam PearceMay 10, 2020 10:03pm

Yeah, I agree with Ryan – those little grace note details, in the ukelele (I wasn’t sure what instrument) and singing are wonderful, and make the one minute more densely emotional. I’m gonna listen one more time for the mix, but nothing bothered me the first couple of times.

Sam PearceMay 10, 2020 10:08pm

I think the mix is lacking nothing if you’re listening to it as a multi-tracked recording. It’s very pleasing to listen to. *If* you wanted to create the illusion of you singing and playing the uke in one take, I think you might need to process the uke more similarly to the vocals, or something like that, to make it sound like the two occurred in the exact same space, and moment in the universe. And I really don’t know about mixing in technical terms, but when I closed my eyes and imagined the performance, that’s what occurred to me.

nurphgunApril 30, 2020 5:43pm

Beautiful. The guitar performance gave me huge weepy feels. Agree with everyone else that the messiness realllly works on this one. Live-at-Sin-e vibes. I really like the lyrics — simple and sweet.

Sam PearceMay 10, 2020 9:58pm

Thank you! Live-at-Sin-e is a very kind comparison, and I appreciate it.

nurphgunMay 10, 2020 9:46pm

The driving piano in this moves the whole thing forward with a nice, steady energy. Absolutely love the unusual rhythm and phrasing on “here” and “sweatER”–such unexpected and cool little nuggets in this song. I too think you can keep the volume up on the vocals toward the end; they get quiet earlier than I’d like them to. Poetically, I like the idea of it winding down as we get closer to falling asleep, but maybe you can get that across in how you sing it, instead of pulling the volume down in the mix.

RyanMay 10, 2020 8:02pm

This is lovely, Sam. Your voice sounds great. And the nylon-string sounds killer, too. Love when the melody shows up on the guitar and when it leaves, too. I can’t name the melody! Though I’d say if it’s borrowed note-for-note, a credit to the original artist would be in order on the release. I think it’s in the right key, for sure. It’s getting just enough out of your voice. I would say the ‘ya’ does come across as a touch forced—if only because there are several other mentions of ‘you’ in the song that are pronounced as ‘you’. Did you A/B the pronunciations?

Sam PearceMay 10, 2020 9:41pm

Hey Ryan, thanks for your thoughtful responses to all of my questions. The song is “What Is Love” by Haddaway. I basically used one new note to fuse the two very short phrases that open that song into one longer phrase. And I think you’re definitely right, if it is in fact “that melody” I need to credit the artist. I guess the question is, by legal and ethical definitions, is the melody taken from that song or just inspired by it, which is something I’ll need to figure out if I release it. When I originally wrote it I only took three notes from “What Is Love”, and then I decided it be more fun to make the reference more recognizable, so I’ll also consider reverting to that more original version. I appreciate your honest feedback on the diction. It’s strange; I obviously say “ya” in conversation all the time, and I sang it without thinking the first time I tried to track the vocals. I messed up on that take, and when I tried again (this take) it was impossible for me to not think about replicating that pronunciation, and maybe this is purely psychological, but I think the fact that I’m thinking about it, as opposed it simply happening, might be audible. If I record it again, I’ll definitely A/B them.

RyanMay 10, 2020 8:05pm

Certainly nailed the catchiness of a lullaby—well done! In terms of varying your guitar playing, I’d say choosing a few spots to arpeggiate the chords (let individual notes ring out) instead of only playing the whole chord at once might yield something interesting. The back-beat works well. You could play around to see where you might be able to get away with leaving that out for an intimate suspended moment, as well. Cheers!

RyanMay 10, 2020 7:21pm

Nora, I absolutely adore this—definitely one of my favorites from you. What a lyric sheet! I think I’ve listened to this fifteen times already haha. I’m sorry you wanted to do something a bit more ambitious and weren’t able to—but! I think this is *exactly* how this piece was meant to be recorded. Hearing the room and reeeeally hearing your voice absolutely make this track. This feels like a sung poem. One that should actually become a lullaby for a kiddo or two. And to answer your question, I feel like every lyric was meant—hence the poem comment. Each word counts. Very well done.

nurphgunMay 10, 2020 7:40pm

Thanks, Ryan! This is so nice to hear. I guess what I meant to say was I’m working on trying to emphasize the most important words in each phrase. Like I did a few takes where I was singing every word in the first phrase with the exact same tone, strength, and inflection, because I was kind of being lazy about it. I want to make sure the word “holding” was the sweet spot of that phrase. etc. But so glad to hear it came across!

RyanMay 10, 2020 7:47pm

Ah, gotchyou! Sorry, I misunderstood that a bit. In thinking about it, I find the melody used here so strong that I think that’s the first vehicle I notice on a word-by-word basis. But listening again, your inflections come across just right, as well. So it’s certainly a combination. But yeah I’m definitely feeling pretty dang non-critical of this track in general hah.

RyanMay 10, 2020 7:34pm

Pretty cool that you fearlessly hop around harmonically/melodically. I always admire that in your work. Really love the melody and arrangement that comes in on ‘shut my eyes’. Would love to hear the live band version of this track—you pepper some very cool drum composition ideas in here. But I wanna hear a hooman play them. Well done on this one, man.

aubspeepsMay 10, 2020 6:34pm

Nora, this is beautiful. It instantly brought tears to my eyes. The song is so vulnerable lyrically that I think the vulnerability of how you were feeling trying to record it and the vulnerability of the voice memo quality actually really adds something very emotional that compliments the lyrics really nicely. You said so much with so little, I think your phrasing in this song is wonderful

nickMay 10, 2020 11:46am

Ready to have the greatest night’s sleep on this Mother’s day evening, 2020.

nickApril 28, 2020 2:26pm

what a wild ride. ive always love how distinct the “parts” are in your songs. unbridled character. in regards to thinking macro, not sure, but ill be thinking about it.

ZMay 6, 2020 5:01pm

Many thanks cap’n.

KristophApril 28, 2020 8:54pm

My dude, this song is fucking umami – I get my sweet, my salty and my savory all in one. This fucking rocks for a spate of reasons. One, jeez man, the guitar lines are galaxy brain beautiful. Honestly one of my favorite part of your music brain is how dialed the parts of a song are – like you’re never rushing me away from something, we just sit in the movement as it comes – and the moments don’t disappoint. Coming in on that soft big twang and then getting to that filthy like car-chase through the city from the year 4000 works for me as a movement. I feel cohesiveness and I feel like I don’t have the merits to tell you how to build a song – I just fly by the seat of my pants. Really beautiful, can’t wait to hear how you set it in stone.
Oh and the acceleration of the tapping is nutso and your vocal clicks make me feel brand new 21 again. Rock on.
-C

ZMay 6, 2020 5:00pm

Love this, makes me feel really good, thanks man. brand new 21 again? Is that a 480 ref?

nurphgunApril 30, 2020 10:16pm

Love this so much. I like the juxtaposition of the intro/outro, which feels very sunny-window, lazy crooked walk thru the park picking flowers aimlessly, and the grumbly frantic part in the middle which is more like a rolling tide. So awesome.

ZMay 6, 2020 4:59pm

Thank you, makes me happy to hear what it evoked.

RyanMay 1, 2020 11:10am

Glad you went back and did the first assignment, man! First off—beautiful melody. And I love the way the trumpet functions as the chord-outlining voice. To answer your questions, I love when other languages show up in songs. Do you know Troubled by Land of Talk? That’s the example that comes to mind—I adore that song. I think the way you used other languages in this piece makes complete sense to me. Re: lyrics—listening to the song and taking in the lyrics the best I could upon first hearing, I enjoyed the story quite a bit, but had a different interpretation. After reading the lyrics and your questions, then listening again, I think that it was inevitable that the ‘asshole’ quality was overshadowed by how beautiful/romantic the music is. It’s a great lyric sheet, but if you wanted to assure the honesty that you’re after (which I do think is a worthy goal), taking the opportunity to have a pretty stark moment of self-reflection may have accomplished that. “I should’ve said sorry and shut my baby face” nearly does it—maybe it’s about finding a way to highlight that lyric before the last line, which spins it make towards ultimately being a romantic story. Or swapping their position. Sort of depends on your moral priority in the piece. Great work, Sam.

Sam PearceMay 1, 2020 10:40pm

Hey Ryan, thanks for taking a listen. I almost texted this song to you today but then figured you would have to get a chance to hear it at a time that worked for you. I’m excited about it because it’s the first song of the three I’ve made for NCBC so far that I know I would not have been able to make if not for the parameters. And I appreciate your thoughtful response to my questions. What you’re saying makes complete sense to me. I guess the most interesting and true story is that I was being an asshole and also affectionate, but in a way that was not warranted or wanted in the situation. I think I’m going to revisit this song, maybe on my next collection of songs, and I think by then I’ll have the temporal “space” in which to spot lyrics that are false. I’m also thinking about sharing it with the person I’m singing to, because I want to, but also because I think her perspective is more reliable and critical than mine when it comes to the truth of the lyrics. I’m going to listen to that song you suggested now.

TengoApril 27, 2020 11:36am

This rocks! The chorus is satisfying on so many levels, never mind that it’s also a great palindromic melody. Whole song flows beautifully from section to section

alechutsonMay 1, 2020 10:19pm

thank you <3

agasthyaApril 26, 2020 10:43pm

I liked the synth solo! very understated, nice contrast with the chorus.

alechutsonMay 1, 2020 10:19pm

thanks agasthya! it’s grown on me a bit since i submitted this 🙂

nurphgunApril 30, 2020 10:09pm

Gorgeous. OK Computer vibes. 🙂 Your chorus palindrome melody reminds me of a melody I ended up incorporating in my song.

alechutsonMay 1, 2020 10:18pm

thank you nora <3 <3

nurphgunApril 30, 2020 6:22pm

Yes. Omg. I think this is my favorite song of yours. It’s like Third Eye Blind without all the elements that can make that band annoying. I’m such a sucker for songs with emo elements that don’t take themselves too seriously. I would have thought those sustained vocal notes would weigh the chorus down, but they do the exact opposite. There is so much space, height, movement, and lightness. The small lyrical world is a huge part of that, but it’s more than just the words themselves, it’s the vocal delivery across the board that is soo beautifully light. The repeating jangly, bendy guitars and the little xylophone bits (?) absolutely kill me. And the piano in the bridge. I love how the whole song comes in hot from the get-go 3 seconds in and it kind of stays there. I could go on. I’m obsessed, well done.

RyanMay 1, 2020 10:53am

Ah thanks, Nora! I remember one time years ago Zack quoted someone defining rock music as “dynamic-less”, and although I truly love super dynamic music, sometimes having a track come in hot and stay there feels so dang good. Thank you so much for the detailed feedback—a lot of the elements you mentioned have been showing up a fair bit in the songs I’ve been (slowly) writing recently, so to hear that they’re working for a listener like you means a ton.

nurphgunApril 30, 2020 10:21pm

Aubrey, this is song is soo impressive. It’s so patient. I can’t really imagine having the focus to make something like this, lol, and the payoff is soo worth it. It’s a fever dream.

aubspeepsApril 30, 2020 10:46pm

thank you!!! 💜💜💜trying to practice more patience these days! difficult but worth it for my brain

Sam PearceApril 27, 2020 12:17pm

Hey Nora! Sending you my best healing thoughts.

I love this the way it is, including the car sounds in the back, and especially when you laugh on “sugar”. Dynamics sound good to me. I hear an arc gently lifted and let down by your emotion, as opposed to conscious changes intended to project emotion. In my opinion, you could release it like this if you wanted to. Or if you decide to record it again, with a different emphasis, I could imagine the two being a nice listen back to back.

nurphgunApril 30, 2020 10:28pm

Thanks Sam! Glad the dynamics came off as natural, because I totally planned the few little moments there are. I have a tendency to just bulldoze through a song unless I’m trying *really* hard not to; it’s something I’m working on in live performances.

nurphgunApril 30, 2020 10:00pm

Knew you’d be the one to most fully commit to the palindromes when it came to rhythm. This is so fun and bumpin’.

aubspeepsApril 27, 2020 4:49pm

Firstly, it is clear you are a very talented musician and I am really enjoying what you are putting together musically and vocally. Plus, you have some of my most enjoyed commentary references on other people’s songs. I hesitate to comment on this one because I am an infiltrator to this group, none of you know me that well and I of course want you all to like me. But I also want to allow myself to be an equal member of this group and to me the whole point of these challenges is to engage in dialogue in a supportive way that still pushes us to think outside of our own experience and opinions. And since your feedback is directly asking whether this is too dark, and my opinion differs slightly than the other comments made so far, I am pushing myself to be bold as the dissenter of the group to add to this conversation. I will also preface by saying my commentary is more so on myself as a listener, not yourself as an artist – another reason I hesitate to give voice to my thoughts on how this song made me feel.

To begin, I think putting a label on any art as “too dark” or too whatever is a slippery slope. I do believe that art should be a space where all elements of the human experience can be explored and reflected. I’m presuming this song is about an ex or a past relationship of some kind (I apologize if I’m mistaken in assuming), and wanting to explore the feeling of wanting to destroy someone who hurt you is of course a very natural part of the human experience to be examined. However, I will admit my initial reaction to the lyrics were that they are verging on unnecessarily violent. Of course I don’t know your experience with this person, and like I said, just because it made me uncomfortable doesn’t mean it’s too dark for art. I think things that make the audience uncomfortable are often important pieces of art, productive for dialogue and important topics to explore simply BECAUSE they make someone uncomfortable. But I do think that me mentioning how it made me feel, especially since I had a different reaction than it seems most people did, is also an important part of that dialogue. I guess what I would have rather heard in this song is more about what happened in the relationship to make you get to this point in how you feel. My favorite line is the one about how this person said having you around held them down. Oof, that hurts. That cuts deep. I think that is one of the most hard hitting lines because I think most people have been made to feel that way by someone at least once, and that to me is where you feel the pain and bitterness of this song the most. That made me want to know more. But again, this speaks more to me as an audience member and what I find myself interested in, so you may take this all with a grain of salt. I guess I gravitate more towards the hurt than the anger in this song. To me, this song feels like it’s about revenge, making a point to gain power over this person who had power over you. Too dark? I don’t know if there even is a right or wrong answer.

Regardless, this song made me think and try to formulate how it made me feel into words. I think that in and of itself is a great thing

froebusinessApril 27, 2020 6:12pm

Thank you so much for such an in depth response. I doubt wholeheartedly that anyone views you as an infiltrator to this group, and I think you have contributed some amazing work and equally excellent critique to the chef club. I am somewhat hesitant to explicitly state what this song is about, but I will do so here because I think it will elucidate some of the qualms you have with the lyrics. On the other hand, it may raise some new ones, but I would like to hear your thoughts regardless. Before I continue, let me just say that there is a somewhat graphic detail in here, and if anyone reading this is on the sensitive side, I would skip this explanation.

The song is told from the perspective of a psychopathic murderer. He is obsessed with a woman, and whether or not they actually dated or it’s all just in his head is unclear. What is clear is that she did not give him the attention he desired. “They said I’d live forever” is referring to the voices in his head that told him that if he rapes and murders the woman, and buries her beneath a sycamore tree then drinks the sap, he will become immortal (and therefore never see her again in the afterlife). I read that sycamore trees have been considered sacred and in connection with the gods in various cultures, and that drinking its sap has been believed to bestow immortality. The golden mirror he “hid inside her” is a way to show that this guy is a megalomaniac. I’m not sure exactly what it means though, I just thought it sounded cool. Maybe he really thinks he gave her some occult gift? Maybe he thinks he bestowed a blessing upon her by way of his attention/affection? I don’t know. Once the deed is done, the golden reflection surrounds him, and he has fused, in his mind, with its power. It’s like he took it back from her or something and inoculated it to help birth his immortality. The last verse is by far the most graphic and disturbing of the bunch if you listen to it closely. Maybe this is a world where that occult shit exists and the voices in his head were real demons, and now this dude is actually immortal. Maybe he’s just nuts.

I drew influence from the song “Polly” by Nirvana and the song “Excitable Boy” by Warren Zevon for this one. I like to think of it as a one page horror story from the perspective of a killer. I think using the first person can really add to the weight of darker concepts, and because the song is so short and simple harmonically/rhythmically I wanted to add a ton of heaviness to it through narrative.

All that being said, I think that any interpretation of the lyrics has merit, and interpreting a song should always be up to the listener. I value your interpretation, and I think this song could very easily be about a failed relationship – with the death being more symbolic than literal. I especially like what you said about important pieces of art being productive for dialogue BECAUSE they make people feel uncomfortable. I definitely agree. Music is so visceral though, it makes it hard to commit to songs like this. If this were a short story, for example, I wouldn’t feel so worried about people reading it. Weird.

aubspeepsApril 27, 2020 8:32pm

Thank you for such an open and honest response to my response! And for your kind words. You are doing excellent work on here as well and I continue to be humbled and grateful for this project and to be among such talented musicians during this weird time in the world.

Thank you for your explanation behind the song; it really puts the song into perspective for me and is a good reminder for me to check my assumptions at the door. I know that I am very sensitive to violence especially against women, and that is tied to my perception of the world but filtering art through that perspective can definitely muddle my ability to appreciate or understand intention, nuance, and meaning. This is something I am constantly coming up against consuming media, culture, stand-up comedy especially; it’s hard for me to have the perspective of “anything goes” yet at the same time as an artist I don’t think there should be rules, and like I said I think we should be able to explore anything through art, so this is a frequent confrontation in my brain. I am very appreciative that you were receptive and allowing of me to discuss this publicly as I try to unravel my thoughts (feelings). I very much appreciate that you created such a detailed narrative for this challenge, and I agree that putting songs in the first person even when they aren’t our own experience creates a visceral weight and emotion. I love that you chose not to be limited to your own experience and I think artists are the ones tasked with exploring all aspects and types of humans, not just ourselves. It is interesting to me that I needed to understand that this wasn’t from your perspective for me to be more comfortable with the lyrics; next I will be doing some psychological digging into my own brain to uncover why that is (although it is of course fantastic news that you are not yourself the murderous narrator! lol) I really like the idea of a song being a horror story, and I really like the idea of delving into the mind of such a dark and delusional brain in song form. I commend you for being bold enough to dive into that.

It’s interesting you mentioned Nirvana; that is actually a perfect example of where my struggle comes in. I say the following as a fan of Kurt Cobain, and perhaps you already know the following story (trigger warning for anyone reading further) so I apologize if this explanation is superfluous, but here is exactly where my struggle lies. Cobain was an active outspoken feminist, and his song “Rape Me” attempted to address the issue of rape. However, this song became widely misinterpreted and at a Nirvana concert a woman was sexually assaulted in the crowd by several men while the band played the song, so aggressively it left her bloody. Is this Cobain’s fault? the song’s fault? Of course not. Never could I blame him or his song for that. Are people/audience members idiots? Do people misinterpret meaning in harmful ways? Yes. Clearly, as I misinterpreted your song. What responsibility does the artist have, if any, in these circumstances? I truly don’t know the answer, but I mull it over often. Am I just too sensitive? Is interpretation unavoidable and should be disregarded in the creative process? Does that mean we can’t make art about dark topics? As for the latter, I definitely don’t think that’s the case. We need to be able to make art about dark topics. Is there a time and a place? Maybe..

I hope you know I am not trying to compare or equate your song in any way to the above account, and I apologize if I took this forum to too dark a place. This is purely one example of art misinterpretation I learned about long ago that caused me pause, and is the genesis of my conflicted opinions. I hope it explains the brain behind my initial response.

What you said about if this was a short story there would be less worry: that is a really interesting thing to think about. When we read a book or a story we don’t assume the first-person narrator is the author; why do we do that with music? What is it about hearing someones voice that makes that assumption so powerful? I like the idea of breaking that assumption. I wonder what it is about the ears that ties us more personally into an experience than the eyes. Hmmm.

Thank you again for your candor and articulation! At the end of the day having these conversations is maybe the best use of art there is, so I would consider it a win. I hope you feel the same.

aubspeepsApril 27, 2020 9:17pm

how many more times can i say the word artist

nurphgunApril 30, 2020 9:47pm

I just now read through this exchange. Aubrey, this is a really astute comment, and it got me thinking more about the lyrics. Thanks to both of you for this dialogue; I’d love to weigh in, if I may. When I first heard the song, I assumed it was from a character’s perspective and not Joe’s. The ballad-ish lyrics + the folk/blues style signaled a “storytelling song” and not a “sung from my heart” song, which gives space to play and venture into the weird and creepy. For me, what’s unsettling and what maybe rubs me in the wrong way about the lyrics is that this guy’s perspective is the only one we get to hear, and his perspective is taken seriously and at face value. I think injecting some irony, humor, self-awareness, or another person’s perspective into the lyrics would signal that even though this guy is crazy, you as the storyteller know what’s up with him. Then we could feel the darkness and fucked-up-edness of the situation on an even deeper level.

The comparison to “Polly” is helpful for context. There’s something about the absurd/dry/banal/witty imagery of that song–crackers, seeds, backaches, and the like–that makes it clear Kurt’s not glorifying the narrator’s behavior. In “Oro”, the imagery is shiny and spiritual, and it’s not entirely clear that he’s an unreliable narrator, or that we shouldn’t be on his side. It doesn’t have the same feeling of rottenness, absurdity, and stinkiness that “Polly” does. I’m not familiar with “Excitable Boy” but I just read the lyrics and they have the same quality — the absurdity of people saying “well, he’s just an excitable boy” to rationalize the kid’s behavior is really powerful. Other similar songs that come to mind are “Jeremy” by Pearl Jam and “Wendell Walker” by Andy Shauf.

To be clear I think this song rules, but maybe it could go down a different road lyrically and still be just as dark, cool, and fucked up. I really appreciate getting to read this dialogue between the two of you–and thanks for letting me share my thoughts.

RyanApril 22, 2020 11:21am

You’ve never put a song together before this?! That’s incredible. Absolutely love your sense of melody. Realizing that’s one of the things that this assignment really highlights—and you nailed it.

autumnmouthApril 30, 2020 6:46pm

thanks, Ryan! gonna keep this compliment in my pocket when i feel like bulllllshit at every other component

nurphgunApril 22, 2020 9:10pm

This is awesome! It’s so unusual, free, and genuine. I love your vocal delivery — it’s as if you came up with the lyrics the moment you pressed record, and the lyrics are dope, which makes it all the more impressive.

autumnmouthApril 30, 2020 6:45pm

they tumbled out on to the page really quickly! maybe that influenced the feel

daeclanApril 23, 2020 11:49pm

yo this is so lively & lovely 🙂

rly dig the outro, spacy vibes suit you (in the best way)

autumnmouthApril 30, 2020 6:45pm

thanks bb!

nurphgunApril 30, 2020 6:38pm

Gillian Welch / Southern Gothic vibes. It’s definitely dark, but it works. It’s a really patient tune. The palindromic guitar line is haunting and dizzying; I love it as the song’s throughline.

nurphgunApril 30, 2020 5:50pm

This is a blast to listen to. What you’re doing is totally out of my wheelhouse so it’s hard to have feedback. Someone else mentioned wanting to hear it at a faster tempo, and I think I agree with that — it would add a little more bite to what’s already a super badass and sassy tune. Can’t wait to listen to more of your stuff!

nurphgunApril 30, 2020 5:47pm

You are a melody master with great pop sensibility. Again it gives me 2013 vibes — I think of Passion Pit.

nurphgunApril 30, 2020 5:38pm

Love it so much. This is so out of my wheelhouse, it’s hard to give feedback! Do you listen to LANY? Reminds me a bit of them.

nurphgunApril 30, 2020 5:27pm

This rules. Pretty AND educational. The palindromic chorus melody is really unexpected and makes this much more than a little ditty.

nurphgunApril 30, 2020 5:21pm

This is so wacky. I like your brain. Thanks for sharing that you started with the title — I’ve also found that one of the three parameters usually clicks with me immediately and the rest of the song comes from there. It’s interesting to know that one palindromic phrase inspired this very cool and otherworldly tune.

BenApril 28, 2020 2:26pm

Yo this is a *really* great chord progression and melody. Love when the chorus comes in. Very cinematic, seems likes its moving and swirling and spiraling around. I’m also a sucker for these piano chord quarter notes throughout the whole things.
Also what you got against your synth solo?

alechutsonApril 30, 2020 3:14pm

thanks dude! i guess i just finished the song so close to the deadline that after the first listen the solo felt out of place but i didn’t have time to revisit it haha. it’s grown on me a bit since then 🙂

nickApril 28, 2020 2:30pm

also, i love bass line and sound. is that live or programmed?

alechutsonApril 30, 2020 3:13pm

Programmed!

ZApril 26, 2020 10:38pm

Re: logic, might I suggest Plato.

Seriously I can’t help with that it’s been years BUT I should have me ole Logic up and running by next submissions so I can probably be more useful then.

Anyway we don’t know each other too well but this hit me pretty hard personally, particularly the length and repetitiveness of the lyric sheet and the weirdness.

It wouldn’t be sustainable if you didn’t have a nice voice, (really great vibrato m’dude!!). I think that’s what lets you get away with how unsettling the chorus effect is – I’d feel queazy without. I think that’s (one of) the things that makes the Mars Volta unlistenable, Cedric just doesn’t have a soothing voice. But I’m still a big Omar Rodriguez fan so the guitar in this felt pretty at home for me.

An ad for this journey would be something like: Spirit Plays Extra-Dimensional Lute At Bottom of Ocean – The Result Will Blow Your Mind

I would recommend this to someone who hasn’t yet been on this journey.

aubspeepsApril 26, 2020 11:22pm

Thank you for the kind words! I’m really glad to hear that it resonated thematically in the sense of the message being understood. I definitely was curious how listenable this would actually be because I am very limited in my software experience and I don’t happen to have a midi controller or keys etc with me right now, just a travel mic and my guitar which I am also limited on. These challenges are definitely a growing experience for me

ZApril 29, 2020 10:23am

Edit: Nick called me out for throwing one of our all time favorite bands under the bus, I ought to make some clarifications in good conscience.

I’ve noticed the vocals in the Mars Volta are particularly unlistenable to many. Though I’m a huge fan, I get it, I certainly struggled with that aspect with their last three albums.

The guitar sound in your submission reminded me so much of ORL, one of my all time favorite guitarists and producers.

It saddened me when TMV broke up, but it maddened me when the band’s left brain, Cedric, wrote a searing and childish indictment of his bandmates in public letters. I associate the unceremonious end of TMV, mostly, with Cedric’s behavior. “And DNA” probably hit me all the harder because it reminded me of ORL’s guitar playing but without Cedric. I think the fact of this complicated emotional experience for me is underscored by how much value I placed on the “soothing” quality of your vocal performance.

Obviously this is not artistic feedback, just a personal exploration that I figured I’d leave here.

aubspeepsApril 29, 2020 2:38pm

Oh interesting! I have to admit, I wasn’t aware of TMV until your initial comment, upon which I looked them up; I will also admit I have not been able to stop listening to them since! Rad stuff. I think I have also tricked you into thinking I am a way better guitarist than I am, but I am thrilled my song gave you moments that reminded you of ORL, wow is he incredible. As for the politics and dynamics of the band itself, I am not aware of anything about them (fan of 3 days) but I am not a fan of public humiliation so I can completely understand why you feel that way. Thank you for being open about your emotional experience with TMV and my song, I really appreciate it and will be mulling all of this over. music music music music

Sam PearceApril 27, 2020 1:30pm

I enjoy this one too. I like the wordless vocals around 2:00. And it’s nice how you outline a full chord progression on the chorus with that bassline while keeping the same chord in the guitar. Listening to this shortly after the palindrome one, I was thinking about the difference between your voice doubled and single-tracked. I think the doubling really works on this song, and I also think that on the other one, the single track is critical to that song’s emotional directness. It’s cool to have both “voices” in your arsenal. I haven’t experimented with doubling, and I might do it for the lullaby.

RyanApril 29, 2020 2:21pm

Thanks, man. Yeah it’s funny, I haven’t really thought about how different the vocal approaches are, and how differently I sing depending on which one I’m shooting for. Looking forward to learning more about how and when to use each. Oh and thanks for the shout-out on the bass line—kind of thought it was cheating but I was too in love with the line to not incorporate it haha.

RyanApril 29, 2020 2:15pm

The little things go a long, lonnnnnng way on this track—excellent work there. All of the slight variations in the chorus (additional vocals, little samples that pop in, drumlessness, etc.) make the track for me. And they subvert the pop pillars while still prioritizing how catchy everything is. Love where the key-line comes in at the end of the post-chorus and how it tweaks the main hook melody just enough. I will say, especially because of how sparingly you use it, I’d love more out of the kick. Some more punch and sub would make the sections where it’s used pretty special.

agasthyaApril 28, 2020 1:48pm

“the fuck” after the instrumental is blissful. mix is awesome. if anything I would like a tiny bit more stereo wideness but that might be me getting greedy. agree with Chris, single track vocals are v scary (for me at least) and you pulled them off flawlessly.

RyanApril 29, 2020 2:08pm

Thanks mate. I think you’re right—widening those guitars even a little more would probably give this the nudge toward widescreen that it needs, especially given how much space the bass tone occupies up the middle. Good call!

KristophApril 27, 2020 9:40pm

Yeup. Yup. I love this song, Ryan. The guitar sounds sooo dang good – love the glock-touches brightening up the place. The chorus vocals take me so high – Like riding a bike down a big hill when I was a kid or something – there’s just so much air in this song and I am here for it. That is to say, the spacing you’ve created in the mix is really working for me.
The lyrics are really sweet – what a nice thing to make for someone. Have been bumping this big time the past two days.
Also, love the idea that you’re taking the single track vocal risk – I get that anxiety – They sound great.
-C

RyanApril 29, 2020 2:07pm

Ah, thanks man. Love the big hill analogy—I was hoping that sort of outdoor/open-space quality would come out. Psyched that the space in the mix worked for you. It’s funny, I’m realizing in retrospect that I needed that verse vocal to be weird/imperfect enough to get me into it being single-tracked. Glad you dig them. Thanks for the in-depth listen.

KristophApril 28, 2020 8:44pm

You have made saying quack sound cool as fuck. I love this. Thus completes my notes. Hope you’re well, bud.
-C

KristophApril 28, 2020 8:35pm

Chef’s kiss – like a left the club and feeling like slick silver and gold good.
Don’t know how to use drums of any kind, sorry can’t be a help there.
Great stuff, Nick.

nurphgunApril 28, 2020 7:34pm

I lovvvvve this. This street performer is dope. Did you use additional samples of an audience/crowd in the middle section? Is that the crowd that was watching the performer? Or is the loop just creating some ghostly sounds that remind me of an audience? Anyway it has a really cool industrial vibe. It brings up imagery of gears, pulleys, levers, conveyer belts, and steam pouring out of pipes. I agree with others that if you knew the name of the performer and could credit her that would make it ok by me.

nickApril 28, 2020 2:15pm

agree with so many points in these comments. so exhausting to figure out palandromic melodies, but i love how you used the prompt to inspire these lyrics, and the shapes they produced.

aubspeepsApril 28, 2020 4:50pm

thank you dude much appreciated!

agasthyaApril 26, 2020 10:38pm

that was a wild ride. loved it. I recently started downloading one-shot drum samples from Splice which is nice if you want to build a kit made out of only sounds you like.

nickApril 28, 2020 2:57pm

dope, ill check it

BenApril 28, 2020 2:37pm

As someone who used to be addicted to watching videos on the internet of the Miraflores and Pedro Miguel Locks filling up and and transporting cargo, I really appreciated this song.

agasthyaApril 28, 2020 2:13pm

+1 for the vocal processing interacting with your natural vibrato – “fast” at :51 is beautiful. I’m a sucker for well executed pitched-down vocals, and you nailed it at 3:15. would love to hear how adding even more reverb to the vocals could elevate them and make them even spacey-er!

aubspeepsApril 28, 2020 2:26pm

thanks man! thats a great piece of advice ill definitely explore more vocal reverb for the future

aubspeepsApril 28, 2020 2:26pm

thanks man! thats a great piece of advice ill definitely explore more vocal reverb for the future

aubspeepsApril 28, 2020 2:27pm

thanks so much!! thats a great piece of advice ill definitely explore adding more vocal reverb for future assignments 🙂

aubspeepsApril 28, 2020 2:28pm

no idea why these comments posted so many times lol 😝

agasthyaApril 28, 2020 2:27pm

DOG/GOD is such a great moment!!! Love the pitched vocals and the quack harmony that comes in at :26. As well as the break for honk sample. Agreed with Ryan’s point about making sure the drum samples are as dry as possible before you start mixing. Muddiness is my mortal enemy so let me know if you come up with some good techniques. I mostly use subtractive EQing but I can never really get it all the way to where I want it to be.

TengoApril 27, 2020 11:43am

Your guitar lines are always so melodic, no matter how “technical” they get. I love that about your playing. And the chord progression at the start is beautiful

nickApril 28, 2020 2:22pm

so true.

nickApril 27, 2020 11:44am

Lot of great things going on here. Synth solo is certainly one of them. And yeah, your voice sounds great. I like to experiment with finding small personal details to include in dramatic songs like this. Little moments of localization can end up enriching the overall drama.

nickApril 27, 2020 11:48am

And I know this isn’t quite songwriting, but for me, if you could nudge the melodic/chordal elements back in time a little bit so the drums are on the front end of the rhythm, the groove would really set in and let those melodies sing on stop. Really slight edit, like microseconds, for a pretty large reward.

BenApril 28, 2020 2:22pm

thats pretty timeless advice, and ends up happening a lot for me. Something wont be sitting well in my song (or a section of a song) so I literally just nudge the drum tracks forward or back a bit, and magically it sits better. And I’ve been surprised that sometimes it’s really as easy and blunt as moving the whole damn thing forward or back. If i recall correctly, nick, you did this for a koah song or two that we were tracking in the berkshires and it instantly glued things together.

alechutsonApril 27, 2020 5:28pm

Word! Could you elaborate on what you mean by small personal details? Do you mean lyrics-wise?

nickApril 27, 2020 5:48pm

Yup—I mean looking for moments in the lyrics where you could try swapping out something more general for something more personal, to create a balance of the two. This really is nicely written, and paints an expressive picture. I just think an additional bit of your perspective from ground level could be a nice touch.

nickApril 28, 2020 2:21pm

love everything about this.

agasthyaApril 28, 2020 1:52pm

can’t stop coming back to this one. the fucking “douku doo doo” vocals that come in at :46 are perfect.

nickApril 28, 2020 1:56pm

one must allow oneself to scat

agasthyaApril 28, 2020 2:19pm

words to live by

KristophApril 27, 2020 8:51pm

You’re a wizard. You had us dancing around the apartment AGAIN. Today, Kendra asked me how she knew this song on my second play throughs – like, from the radio.
Sounds are so dialed in. Vocals are fun. No notes from me, as I do not understand witchcraft, so I can’t comment on how to perfect it.
Yes, like dis. Kendra throws in a +1.

agasthyaApril 28, 2020 2:05pm

ha! this made me smile. glad I could give y’all something to dance to!

agasthyaApril 28, 2020 2:02pm

Too many good moments but here are a few of my favorites:
– high harmony that comes in at ~:42 in the right ear
– “we raised a sword against him”, specifically the word “a”
– the lingering “aah” at 3:17

Love the mix and arrangement as it is. I would mayyyyybe consider bringing in a droning bass tone around 2:34 when the vocals come back to thicken it up, and as a kind of metaphorical nod to the storyline of the devil still being alive but just underground. But honestly it doesn’t really need anything else. Love it.

daeclanApril 27, 2020 4:39pm

this is so gentle & feels like an autumn afternoon walk with someone you really love. i like the vocal effect, but think you could mix it clearer (or maybe double it, and leave one uneffected) cos you have a really emotive & sweet tone.

nickApril 28, 2020 2:01pm

i agree. i do love the effects, but i think, i may love your voice even more.

ZApril 26, 2020 9:20pm

Way to go with the complex palindromic melody, my palindrome was two notes up, two notes down. Parameter met.

Topical subject matter…

Thorough account of historical events…

In the words of Van Halen, I’m hot for teacher.

nickApril 27, 2020 9:27am

^^^ can’t agree more

TengoApril 28, 2020 11:28am

hahah thanks, Z! I had fun making that melody. I decided to use a little Lydian mode action after going back to those guitar scale exercises Robin wrote out for us a few years ago

agasthyaApril 26, 2020 10:16pm

delivery on “So many more Panamanians did survive” was stellar. love this.

TengoApril 28, 2020 11:27am

Thanks! I struggled on a few lines on how to make all the syllables fit, but glad that the final line felt like a good landing

KristophApril 26, 2020 10:18pm

This is a treat. Such a warm expression of a history lesson – Love how you spun the tale. – Oh, and the tones on this are spot, spot on.

TengoApril 28, 2020 11:26am

Thanks dude!

daeclanApril 27, 2020 12:27pm

this is an amazing interpretation, i love the way this comes together so effortlessly yet transmits information clearly & carries that forlorn feeling of our (albeit detached) involvement in this man made land water intervention thing.

TengoApril 28, 2020 11:26am

Thanks! I really want to get better at writing sad songs and this random little ditty offered a chance to get a little forlorn!

nickApril 27, 2020 9:29am

ughck so good

TengoApril 28, 2020 11:25am

<3

RyanApril 27, 2020 11:59am

Only you, my man lol. Love hearing your voice! So warm. The way you sing “born” — yessir. Nylon sounds great, too. How’d you record it? Fleet Foxes would high-five you for the chorus, if high-fives were chill right now.

TengoApril 28, 2020 11:25am

Thank you my dude. Everything was recorded with my dinky little dynamic mic. Finally busted out my dad’s old Ovation 12 string to just add a little extra something on the chorus

Sam PearceApril 27, 2020 12:02pm

Hey! I could listen to a whole album of history songs like this. And they could be organized by whatever principle you find inspiring: geography, chronology, globe>nation>city>individual, etc. “Isthmus” is one of my favorite words, and I’ve tried to put in a song at least once but never had the guts to commit. Really enjoyed this!

TengoApril 28, 2020 11:24am

Thanks, Sam! Yea i gotta admit I was pretty pumped when I had an excuse to use “isthmus”

Sam PearceApril 27, 2020 1:16am

Wow, this is special. I agree with Zack – really nice voice, and it takes confidence to put this kind of processing on beautiful singing, and I think the beauty still comes through, with the added bitterness of the chorus(?) effect. Do you listen to Arca? If not, this song made me think of some of her work. In particular, I find the song “Coraje” to be devastating.

aubspeepsApril 27, 2020 12:45pm

Thank you so much!! I haven’t but I will definitely be checking her out, thank you for the recommendation!! love your song by the way ive been thinking about it since I listened to it the first time

Sam PearceApril 28, 2020 10:37am

Thank you! That’s really nice to hear:)

aubspeepsApril 27, 2020 1:28pm

I am back here to say I have listened to your recommendation and am super into Coraje and will definitely be exploring more of this artist. stellar recommendation thank you

Sam PearceApril 28, 2020 10:36am

Awesome! Sure thing. I only really know that one album, and it’s challenging music for me, but definitely rewarding when I take the time to listen. I’m gonna listen to some of her other stuff today.

BenApril 27, 2020 9:57am

So far, i’d say you have the most cohesive 1-2 punch of songs in ncbc. Both are so… spacious and airy, unsettling but pretty. I could definitely see you playing this song on stage at a weird bar in the background in a scene in a David Lynch movie. Also the long lyric list somehow really adds to the experience. Especially when you scroll quickly and the alignment of the words moves around in waves – it’s a great palindrome structure.

For me, I’ve always noticed music falling into 2 categories:
1. person with instruments playing and singing in real life in a room somewhere and being a tangible real human (example: the rolling stones, pearl jam, pinegrove, louis armstrong, NWA, the grateful dead)
2. a different plane, maybe created by aliens or gnomes or time-travelers. Not necessarily just “trippy and weird” but not quite of this earth – sort of inside-the-radiator-in-Erasorhead or the jazz at the Black Lodge in Twin Peaks. Not sure why i keep getting Lynchy here. Vibes and atmosphere and characters and story and sounds.
(it’s kind of the Beatles to the Rolling Stones; Nirvana to Pearl Jam; Radiohead to Pinegrove [not 1:1 comparison, I know]; Kamasi Washington to Louis Armstrong; Kendrick Lamar to NWA; Pink Floyd to the Dead)

I seem to gravitate toward type “2”, but there are *lots* of exceptions. I think the two songs you shared so far are firmly in that “2” category for me and i dig them. Even though you *are* a person with an instrument in a room singing about stuff, you’ve created a vibe: it’s an escape and an experience. thank you for reading my dissertation.

aubspeepsApril 27, 2020 12:44pm

Ben!!! I don’t even know how to express my gratitude at this well-thought out commentary, I really appreciate that you took the time to write out these thoughts and I am stoked that you have put me in category number 2. These days I’m trying to embrace my weird and not try to force my way into a particular structure so reading your words means more than you know. I was very self-conscious about this before posting it but to hear support like this is healing and confidence-boosting – and I’m stoked that this gave you lynch vibes

Sam PearceApril 28, 2020 10:29am

Read and enjoyed your dissertation too, Ben.

froebusinessApril 26, 2020 10:03pm

Sentimental, spacey vibes.

Sam PearceApril 28, 2020 10:26am

Thanks!

nickApril 27, 2020 10:18am

“I’ve been dreaming since 1991, palindrome who gave me to the sun.” I love that so much.

The messiness is so welcome here. You are showing a different part of the process which is equally valuable. And yeah, dude, the guitar playing is insane! You always manage to write and play accessible guitar lines with incredible distinction and character. Gonna have to give it a few more listens before I give feedback on any lyrics. Until then, so glad to have you on this one.

TengoApril 27, 2020 11:24am

second to what Ryan and Nick said re: guitar lines. Just a beautiful thread seamless weaving through the song the whole time. Could live in that for a looooong time

Sam PearceApril 28, 2020 10:26am

Thank you! I appreciate that kind description, and I’ve never thought about guitar music as cloth before, but now I am:)

aubspeepsApril 27, 2020 2:22pm

re: “The messiness is so welcome here. You are showing a different part of the process which is equally valuable” YES fully agree

Sam PearceApril 28, 2020 10:01am

Thanks, Nick. I really appreciate your words on my playing, and I took them to heart as I was completing the Lullaby assignment and I think that gave me a little confidence, which helped me play something more interesting than I otherwise might have.

alechutsonApril 27, 2020 5:24pm

Lovely guitar tone and performance. I loved the vocal jump to the higher register at the end. Very raw and real, messy playing be damned.

Sam PearceApril 28, 2020 10:14am

Thank you, Alec! That jump was a last-second decision, and I’m glad it worked for you, and I think I’ll keep it if I play this song again.

RyanApril 27, 2020 11:05am

Huge respect for putting up a first take. It definitely paid off here. The ‘palindrome’ lyric is really lovely. Everything in the dream section works really well for me except for the penultimate line. I think “we’re all each other’s” would work even better if we hadn’t heard “we’re all each other’s heart”. Maybe see what’s it like to bring the concreteness of the first line of this section into this line and if that makes the last line land even more. Really great work, Sam. And the guitar playing is incredible.

Sam PearceApril 28, 2020 9:56am

Thanks for your kind words, Ryan! I agree about that lyric. Or, I had a whisper of doubt, and you helped me hear it clearly. I like your suggestion for completing the thought, and I’m gonna try it.

Sam PearceApril 28, 2020 10:11am

Also, since I think you and Nick might also think this is cool, and so as not to falsely take credit for the idea, I came up with that “palindrome” line thinking about the expression “dar a luz”, which as far as I know, is just the normal way to say “to give birth” in Spanish and Portuguese, and I think that construction is beautiful, so I wanted to try it in English.

BenApril 26, 2020 9:16pm

wow this is gorgeous. the belting vocals are insane, and i Love the very end with that little guitar slide line

Sam PearceApril 28, 2020 10:03am

Thank you, Ben! As I was playing that line, I was prepared for each note to be a wrong one, so there were these successive moments of relief every time it turned out to be in the key:)

KristophApril 27, 2020 9:10pm

I love how huge you can make a song feel – I’d also push back on the idea that the guitar isn’t in control – I think it’s excessively organic and human – which makes me happy. The warmth of that lifts your voice in every facet of the song, be it the exclamations or the whispers. Also, love that you threw some growl in there. Great stuff, Sam.
-C

Sam PearceApril 28, 2020 9:54am

Thank you, Chris. That’s really nice perspective, regarding the guitar, and I’m able to listen again and embrace it and enjoy the song more.

ZApril 26, 2020 9:54pm

Suh dude, not sure if you’re there atm but I felt like I was sharing a quiet cape cod moment with you after dark.

Messiness – Not sure if I got the lyric right but when you sing “the sun” and there’s a bright flourish on the guitar, I thought that was great because it brings things out of the darkness for a moment, but there’s also this kinda “fuck up” which scanned to me like wincing at the sun, thought it was really poignant.

Melodically there was nothing that rubbed me the wrong way in the vocals – lyrics not any feedback because I’d love to read the lyrics sheet.

The guitar playing was super expressive! Put a lot of vitality into the song.

Title is brilliant.

Love,
-Z

Sam PearceApril 28, 2020 9:52am

Thanks, Z! Yes, that was, in fact, on the cape after dark:) I appreciate your comment about that mistake, because I’ve absorbed your interpretation, and that moment used to bother me a little and now I like it.

aubspeepsApril 27, 2020 10:38pm

all of you people are amazing

KristophApril 27, 2020 9:54pm

Brother, the grit on the guitar line works for me big time – especially with the way you tracked the vocals. That opening guitar line kicks so strong.
Pretty dark, but I feel like the song tracks the vibe – I find it hard to write explicitly from another person’s point of view, I typically end up going third person on instinct. Sounds great.
TRIANGULATE.

daeclanApril 27, 2020 12:30pm

i rly loved this. the feeling it sets up, the emotion in the vocals vs. the robotic (yet warm) vibe of the synth arpeggiating. real cool style & direction here 🙂 re: mixing, i wonder if you panned the synth to the sides harder if it would give the vocals more space to reverberate (like a big intergalactic church)? it is beautiful as is, almost the way the organ and hymnals bleed together in an actual church. just a thought, keep up the good work & experimentation 🙂

KristophApril 27, 2020 9:21pm

I like that idea of the panning it out. I had split the vocals up fairly aggressively. I had been considering having the arpeggiator swing around the mix, in a dizzying way – but I did the whole project in one sitting and I think I burned out there at the end a bit.
Thanks!

KristophApril 27, 2020 8:33pm

The TONES! Yes, I’d use the heckin’ heck out of those sounds too! What a lush production. Thanks for this.
-C

TengoApril 27, 2020 11:30am

Such a great and simple arrangement that brings out everything that’s great about this song. Agree with Z, really digging the lyrics. Is it raining in the background? What’s that delightful crackle? Anyway, I think it’s great making a choice like that to bring us into this world.

froebusinessApril 27, 2020 8:20pm

Thanks man, yeah just a rainstorm sample and a thunder clap sample I threw in there to give it a little atmosphere.

KristophApril 27, 2020 7:57pm

Honestly was surprised when I read this was a voice memo – listened through the first time on the homepage. Everything sounds great. Made me laugh – glad you’re trekking through with a sense of humor. The laugh got me.
Love the progression, too.
A+, hope you feel better.
-C

aubspeepsApril 27, 2020 12:23pm

I keep coming back and listening to this. While the lyrics are delightful every time the production is pretty perfect, I think you did a great job mixing this. I would say you accomplished the balance between clarity and everything-in-a-blender pretty spot on so if that’s what you are working on, props to you!

Sam PearceApril 27, 2020 12:56pm

Me too, coming back to it now after enjoying all sixteen.

RyanApril 27, 2020 5:40pm

(: thx! learning very slowly with the help of a few trusted advisors

alechutsonApril 27, 2020 5:25pm

Loved the produced drums on this track, really great feel to the song!

nurphgunApril 22, 2020 7:48pm

I. love. this. You have such awesome vibrato. It’s big and wide and unapologetic but totally in control, and it gives this song an unusual classical vibe. I could imagine this song as part of an opera. The longing is so visceral and dramatic. Big Jeff Buckley energy!

aubspeepsApril 27, 2020 5:24pm

thank you so much!!! i grew up singing with classical training/singing opera so thats definitely built into my musicianship whether i want it to be there or not. i used to try and fight it because i didnt think it was “cool” but im trying in general to take all the pressure off of trying to be anything. its cool to hear that you like those elements, i am humbled and grateful my dude

froebusinessApril 26, 2020 10:00pm

Boom. I think the vocals work really well when they are doubled or with harmonies, but at the beginning of both verses they sound a bit dry/lonely. I love the energy in the tune, and there is so much space even though there are a lot of things happening. Really nice.

nickApril 27, 2020 10:07am

Joe, see my comment. Thank you.

froebusinessApril 27, 2020 2:35pm

Heard, chef. Thank you chef.

froebusinessApril 26, 2020 10:08pm

I do like this juxtaposition of “clarity and everything-in-a-blender” thing you got goin on here, Shaw. I think the vocals kind of distract your ear from noticing how much is going on instrumentally until it hits the chorus “less wine” part. That part kind of molds with the instrumentation, further back in the mix a tad, which is cool. I think the vocals in the verse sections can stand out even more. Maybe it’s just a simple gain nudgle on those, but maybe something else I dunno. Nice work, daddy likey.

RyanApril 27, 2020 11:43am

Thanks, Joe! Just so I’m clear—you think the verse vox should come down or come up? Was struggling with this decision. I love when the arrangement surrounds the vocals, but I was also going for a relatively fuzzed vocal, so I had a tough time finding that sweet spot.

froebusinessApril 27, 2020 2:33pm

I think up a touch.

agasthyaApril 27, 2020 2:32pm

stellar submissions once again, folks. anyone else trying to read everything as a palindrome now?

peterApril 26, 2020 9:37pm

yes, i like dis.

great interpretations of the parameters too! steering the rhythm away from the palindrome makes you forget about the parameter, then cuing back in and it’s all right there

agasthyaApril 27, 2020 2:31pm

thanks pete!

ZApril 26, 2020 9:45pm

Song definitely relevant to the title! I would say that’s my favorite parameter check-mark, alongside with the clever “better half.” Not that a wider audience would understand the parameters under which we are creating, but it certainly speaks to your ability to put the right amount of wit into pop tunes.

I like dis.

Love,
-Z

agasthyaApril 27, 2020 2:31pm

thanks!!

froebusinessApril 26, 2020 10:02pm

The hottest pop song you’ve never heard of.

agasthyaApril 27, 2020 2:30pm

[DJ Airhorn noise]

nickApril 27, 2020 10:11am

*like dis

so many great melodic moves and moments. love how you used the spirit of the prompt to inspire multiple decisions along the way without letting it bog you down. that is exactly how it should be done (in my opinion).

agasthyaApril 27, 2020 2:29pm

thanks! had a lot of fun trying to squeeze the prompt into little moments throughout the track.

TengoApril 27, 2020 11:19am

I love all the production decisions on this track! Especially the way the moments without drums keep us floating with you in the track

agasthyaApril 27, 2020 2:29pm

thanks! I’ve been trying to play with restraint when I make poppier tunes, and sometimes stripping the drums is exactly the thing a track needs.

aubspeepsApril 27, 2020 12:08pm

yes i love the production and all the SOUNDS are gooooooddd

agasthyaApril 27, 2020 2:07pm

😊

daeclanApril 27, 2020 12:19pm

i love the idea of ‘better half’ in this, so fitting both the prompt & vibe of the song. so genuine & sweet & the fact it reminds me of you + caroline makes me smile even bigger. another beauty, solid work agas!

agasthyaApril 27, 2020 2:07pm

thanks dec!!

Sam PearceApril 27, 2020 12:38pm

Hey Agasthya, this was a shoulder-shaking treat. I’m not sure how to express this correctly, since I’ve never used synths, but I like what I perceive to be the balance of overtones on the ones you use here. I think, for this particular feeling, they’re in just the right place on the clean-dirty spectrum.

agasthyaApril 27, 2020 2:06pm

thanks Sam! I actually spent a good amount of time trying to dial in the dirty-clean balance so I’m glad it’s something that stood out to you!

Sam PearceApril 27, 2020 1:09pm

This is an achingly beautiful vocal performance. I love “I miss you like hunger/I miss you like the thirst.” I think that’s a fearless lyric. And the sweetness of the maj7 chord is sweeter for the minor chords surrounding it. I’m hesitant to mention another artist again, since I did that on your palindrome piece and I’m always wary of making comparisons, but this is more of a free association: have you heard the Joanna Newsom’s song by the same title? This song is actually a little more up my alley than that particular one of hers, but I thought that if you hadn’t, the coincidence might be enjoyable.

Sam PearceApril 27, 2020 11:48am

Hey man, this is one of my favorites of your songs. I love a lot of songs that are all, or primarily, the I and IV chord*, but I think it takes care to make that harmony feel fresh and exciting, and this definitely does. I really like the vocal phrasing and delivery. I think comparisons always risk implying things beyond the original sentiment, but knowing you’ll give me the benefit of the doubt here, I have a lot of love for a few emo bands, and this obviously isn’t emo music, but it has the directness and openness that I love about emo, but the story is a grown up story instead of an adolescent one. And yeah, in my opinion you can put any size story in any size song. I think the hardest to pull off is probably a huge story set to huge music. I hope to eventually here this one in the context of an album!
(*first three I-IV songs that came to mind were “Banshee Beat” Animal Collective, “Marry Me” St. Vincent, “The First Song” Band of Horses.

Sam PearceApril 27, 2020 11:49am

*hear

RyanApril 27, 2020 1:03pm

Dang, thanks Sam! Was working on playing with vocal phrasing, so I’m glad you enjoyed that. Comparisons can be fearsome, for sure, but a lot can be learned, too—so I appreciate you going out of your way to make some. There is certainly some unabashed/emo stuff going on here. Tried to subvert some of the melodic opportunities to steer away from that, hopefully keeping just enough to make it work. I’ve always adored The First Song by BOH and I think I accidentally re-write it half the time I go to write a song haha.

Sam PearceApril 27, 2020 12:53pm

Hey Daeclan, I unfortunately don’t have any expertise to offer toward your feedback areas, but I wanted to say that this piece made me dance and smile and laugh all at once, which I think is a rare and wonderful experience to have with a song. So thanks for that, and also I like the animal directness of the quacks juxtaposed with the human loftiness of “do geese see god?”.

Sam PearceApril 27, 2020 12:48pm

Hey Alec! My name’s Sam. Still listening now. I like the escalation on the choruses. I think it’s just enough added intensity, with the hi hat and the louder dynamic, expanding the song but keeping the link to the verses seamless. I think it’s cool that the synth solo is in a middle-low register, as opposed to flying above the piano. Rather than being explosive, it builds potential energy that’s released on the last chorus. My favorite couplet is the one about splinters. It’s unsettling and mysterious, to me, as a listener who doesn’t know the whole story. Song just ended and that last vocal phrase, on “eyes”, is exquisite!

froebusinessApril 27, 2020 12:45pm

*Engineered by Charlie Gargano*

RyanApril 27, 2020 11:35am

I am deeply impressed with your patience, especially with these fragmentary lyrics—they mean so much more with the repetition and space. Glad this isn’t a short piece. Agreed with others that your voice is a great anchor here, and it really does allow for all the weirdness swirling around it. Regarding your question about logic—reading about automating effects could be fun and very related to this particular recording. I find Logic’s automation drawing tool pretty intuitive, and taking control of when and how all of your effects come to the forefront or recede to the background would be a great sculpting tool for a piece like this—would allow the effects to not always be tied to the dynamics of the performance. And it would be relatively feasible in this case, since the effects are only on two instruments. Anyways—that’s just a thought! I’m learning about all this stuff, too. Great work. Would love to visit your home planet some time.

aubspeepsApril 27, 2020 12:38pm

wow thank you Ryan! I really appreciate this. I will definitely check out that automation stuff that sounds like exactly the direction I need

TengoApril 27, 2020 11:47am

I love the vocal processing! The way your natural vibrato interacts with the tremolo effect (I think?) is really satisfying. I also really like the long pause at the middle. Never thought of a silence marking the midpoint of the palindrome!

aubspeepsApril 27, 2020 12:35pm

thank you so much! The main vocal processing technique I’m using is putting a rotor cabinet affect on the vocal and guitar tracks; I’m new to fucking around with this stuff but I have always loved the weird dreamlike space it puts you in especially when listening with headphones and you have the sounds cycling around from ear to ear, I thought that would be a musical metaphor for the lyrics

Sam PearceApril 27, 2020 12:31pm

Hi Michelle, my name’s Sam, and this is a ton of fun to listen to. I don’t really have mixing skills, myself, so I can’t say much there, but the groove feels just right. As someone who has a hard time branching out from writing love songs, I appreciate that your interlocutor is an a-hole customer. If you ever want live trumpet on the chorus (in the spirit of the synth horns I think I hear), I’d be down to put something down for your consideration!

RyanApril 26, 2020 9:36pm

Head started nodding as soon as this track started and just did not stop. Addictive drums is pretty dang good for acoustic sounds. Can’t really weigh in on electronic drums. Though I look forward to checking this thread and pilfering some info myself.

BenApril 26, 2020 10:21pm

ryan tell me more about Addictive Drums

RyanApril 27, 2020 10:39am

It’s pretty sweet. I’m only just exiting rookie level with it. But it’s essentially a kit design (and beat programming if you’re into that sort of thing) plug-in. Just has great sounds and is easy to use. Lots of different packages available, ranging from like $150 to a few hundred buckaroos.

aubspeepsApril 27, 2020 12:27pm

Yes to the immediate head nodding! I loooooovvee this vibe. Lovely on all counts, musically, vocally, production; I could live in this world for a while

Sam PearceApril 27, 2020 12:22pm

Hey! I don’t think we’ve met, but my name’s Sam. This is a great listen. For me, it has enough rhythm for the morning, and enough realism to be enjoyed through anxiety. I like the bass break at around 2:00

aubspeepsApril 27, 2020 12:14pm

yeah I’m definitely into the 80s keys sounds,
also digging the paradoxical combination of the chill soothing vibe paired with the more melancholy lyrics. I love when the music is a metaphor for the subject matter

RyanApril 27, 2020 12:12pm

Agreed with Zack that this has a devil-at-the-crossroads enough of a vibe that the darkness works. Not sure if this is what’s going on in this particular case, but when I doubt my own lyrics, it’s usually because there’s a line or two that I know I don’t *quite* mean, even if they’re close. Fighting to get them across that line is one of my biggest challenges as a songwriter. Maybe going back and highlighting the areas that give you pause and then writing out a list of alternates might illuminate something. Either that or darkness is always scary so it’s natural to doubt expressing it. As always—your guitar playing is dope. Well done.

RyanApril 27, 2020 12:03pm

Michelle! Stoked you’re here. Your mix is great. Agreed with the folks who are voting for a beefier vocal move in the verses. More presence or a double or even just a gain boost. Something there. All the performances and arrangement decisions are super strong, though. Well done. Also cheers to you for writing a song based on a meme. Love it.

RyanApril 26, 2020 9:21pm

Mannnnn this is a great world, Chris! Suits your voice (artistic voice and singing voice) so well. I am in love with the sung sections. I could picture you spinning out a whole universe from this place. Great choices on the harmonies, too. When it shifts into the more folky section, I wonder if an acoustic guitar and maybe even a fiddle would really make that part sing. I think you’ve done a great job sneaking that section in, but I think a bit more arrangement would make it go even further.

KristophApril 26, 2020 10:32pm

oooo love the idea on instrumentation. I was trying to force myself away from my guitar on this one, just to get over being frustrated with my lack of understanding of this synth. Thanks man!

RyanApril 27, 2020 11:56am

Haha that makes sense. I think forcing oneself to stay away from something that they almost always incorporate is smart. But dashing it back in when it’s called for can be super rewarding—albeit a very slippery slope lol. All of a sudden guitar is spawning all over the goddamn place.

nickApril 27, 2020 9:24am

gotta admit the world is better place when you’re making music

BenApril 27, 2020 11:04am

agree. life feels a teeny bit different with chris in the game

RyanApril 27, 2020 11:54am

+1

TengoApril 27, 2020 11:28am

Daddy loves me a Krezbot guitar solo. Especially in the middle of a great song like this one.
Your doing something different vocally here on the verses that I can’t pinpoint but that I love! Maybe it’s that the voice feels a little smaller, more constrained, matching the world of the lyrics.

RyanApril 27, 2020 11:47am

Honestly man, I also love a Krezbot guitar solo lol. I used to hate guitar solos so much and now I adore them. I think maybe what I actually hated all along was blues-rock guitar solos. Unless they’re by Mike Campbell. Anyways, I digress.

Dude I thought about you while recording the vocals! You know my temptation is to always double my voice because I’m ~a coward~ but I really wanted a talkative, intimate vocal. So I took my pal Tengo’s advice and let it be all by its lonesome (in the verses). Even left some bunk notes in there because I liked the performance. I’m starting to come around.

BenApril 27, 2020 11:10am

dude this was ROCKIN. big fan of the specific, small-world themes and lyrics juxtaposed a grand colorful ecosystem. Doesnt feel juxtaposed – feels playful and authentic. and the lyrics are sung BIG. works well.

RyanApril 27, 2020 11:44am

Good, good. One time Henry Hoagland told me that he was “shocked” with how often I sang whole notes. Never really thought about it that way. But yep, I sure do love letting it fly now and then lol.

aubspeepsApril 27, 2020 12:04am

yeah pretty stoked on where you took this lyrically, really enjoyed listening to this

RyanApril 27, 2020 11:43am

Thanks!

ZApril 26, 2020 10:05pm

Way to upgrade from one chord to two. If we’re talking stats, notice that my title actually had two more syllables than yours.

You know I could (and will, in person) go on about the emotional impact of this knowing you, your family, and it’s total mass in your oeuvre.

I know that this is funny not because we’ve been mates along time, but because I’m confident that “get beers and go back to work” is something Chaucer would laugh at.

Way to ask for precise feedback:

Definitely like the small lyrical world with big musical colors. Although it’s not really “small” so much as it’s compact and high-impact, which is really a strong suit of yours. In fact I think what you wrote is like, one of the strongest possible approaches you could take.

Amazing job as always.
Love,
– Z

RyanApril 27, 2020 11:41am

Thank you, amigo. Would love to get sauced with Chaucer then go back to work.

TengoApril 27, 2020 11:40am

Really wonderful Nora! I hope making the music has been a source of comfort while you’re going through the recovery process. Get well soon!

TengoApril 27, 2020 11:32am

Love the mellow vibe of the vocals together with the sexy rhythmic base. Great song to just fall into a trance.

nickApril 27, 2020 11:29am

I think your mixes are getting better/clearer overall, while maintaining all the unique bits that define your sound. Super catchy melody, per usual. Glad nora has this song to stick in her head.

RyanApril 27, 2020 11:21am

Brah—your work is fun and I’m grateful for it. Also, imagining this exact track but ‘quack’ replaced with ‘honk’ every time provided a hearty laugh just now.

Re: Drum stuff—if we’re talking sound, not rhythmic feel, how much sound alteration do you do? A lot of samples, especially stock DAW ones, tend to be super spacious because they’re trying to provide you with a ‘room’ assuming you won’t or don’t know how to build it yourself. Narrowing the stereo field and wiping off reverb/delays that are defining that room are a big help in getting to a healthier starting point before you start mixing for your own track’s need. I’m new to it all, but lucky to have dudes like Robin and Kyle answering my incessant questions. Also reading about cutting muddiness in mixes but preserving sub is pretty illuminating, definitely worth a peep.

TengoApril 27, 2020 11:17am

I love the instrumentation of this track, especially the percussion arrangement! I think your vocals could be a little more present even. Super cool song all around!

TengoApril 27, 2020 11:15am

This is so dope! This will be my song for the week. Just has that perfect happy/sad balance I love in this style of music.

froebusinessApril 26, 2020 10:16pm

Dude, geese can say quack in your song. Make those god geese say whatever the hell you want them to say baby.

RyanApril 27, 2020 11:13am

^ my guy

TengoApril 27, 2020 11:09am

This song felt as warm and cradling as the Hot Toddy you made me in Vermont after a day of body-breaking skiing in bone-chilling cold. So beautiful

TengoApril 27, 2020 11:05am

Love this Kyle. You’ve created a new world that I feel totally immersed in.

nickApril 27, 2020 10:25am

this is sick. i am totally down. not too dark. such a killer intro and im glad it stayed in that realm. really distinct mix to the guitars and vocals and I am on board. kind of a hellish joni mitchell vibe.

ZApril 26, 2020 9:16pm

I love your guitar playing, always have, always will. But I do love hearing you working off a different instrument, an arpeggiator (or did you sequence it note by note?) was a wise choice for palindrome!!

Brings me back to listening to Fire Coming out of the Monkey’s Head with you in Boston. Love the spoken word juxtaposed with lush vocals between. Had magic from Mellon Collie – I understand the fear of “melodrama” as you put it, but that kinda thing I think is meant to be embraced. No melodrama in relationships, but in music? Yeah dude let me indulge in that shit.

Nice work bro, miss you lots.

KristophApril 26, 2020 10:33pm

Ah yes, that IS the name of the song I referenced incorrectly. Don’t have a midi chord so I was just triggering the arpeggiator in real time. Thanks Z, miss you too.

ZApril 27, 2020 10:08am

Gotcha, cool! Also – is that an AA Bondy ref I’m now realizing?

This is some serious dialectic! Rotella would be proud.

nickApril 27, 2020 10:06am

I think these are great points. Your mixing skills seem *high* and everything is incredibly clear. A double (or more present one) in the verses could lend that extra bit of support. Love how big and bold this is while also having a huge dynamic range. Lots of rad percussion. Is that programmed, or sampled, or a mix of both? Cheers, Michelle!

nickApril 27, 2020 10:07am

this was supposed to be a reply to Joe’s comment…

ZApril 26, 2020 10:27pm

Luddite weighing in here.
First off, no Geese are godless.

Second, re: quack vs. honk – thank you for your accountability in

Third – Love the feel, stomps like a goose with wings wide.

Drum sound feedback – I have none, but I’m seeing a lot on this submission about drums samples, looks like we’ve all got some research to do.

HAWNK
Love,
– Z

ZApril 27, 2020 10:05am

* No, geese are godless.

Sam PearceApril 27, 2020 12:43am

Accidentally lost my first comment, but this one will be more succinct. It’s beautiful. The tapping to me *is* really impressive, but I appreciate that emotion seems to be the cause of the virtuosity, rather than the inverse, or an attempt at the inverse. Regarding form, I was engaged and moved by it just as it is. I think if you wanted to make it into a “song” in a somewhat conventional sense, probably one or two of these sections has enough strength to carry it. But I enjoy it being a journey through different realms of intensity. Oh also, the low notes sound incredibly, powerfully low.

ZApril 27, 2020 10:03am

Hey Sam I really appreciate that – yes emotion is the driver for sure and should always be dominant aspect. I tend to use tapping as sparsely as possible, if at all, in my playing to avoid it overshadowing the more important aspects of the song, but it was nice to allow myself to commit to that technique in this piece as a core aesthetic. Also to not try and make it a “conventional” song and just let it be what it is.

I do love the low notes too, really plunges.

Thanks for the feedback it’s really useful.

agasthyaApril 26, 2020 10:48pm

wow this is great. that middle section is like the TRON soundtrack on a single guitar.

ZApril 27, 2020 9:55am

TRAWN

Thank you kindly!

BenApril 26, 2020 9:10pm

this sounds so good in my ears

nickApril 27, 2020 9:51am

yeah how about those 1:14 guitars

nickApril 27, 2020 9:51am

oh are those not guitars

nickApril 27, 2020 9:50am

Love how cohesive your stuff is. Really nice on the ears. Not sure about the palindrome in the chorus—really nailed it in the title, though.

RyanApril 26, 2020 10:33pm

Well cheese-us that is an awfully nice guitar part. Yowzer. I love hearing some Young Trahan ideas meet Current Trahan’s patience. I have the pleasure of having a bit of a pre-conceived notion as to what this might turn into, but as always, you have constructed an entire world here. Your melodic/harmonic choices will always astound me in the best way. Most importantly—props to you for completing and submitting. I know how wildly frustrating tech woes can be. I further challenge you to make sure that you do flesh out a recording of this once you’ve got the tools you need. <3

ZApril 27, 2020 9:47am

Thanks brudder

froebusinessApril 26, 2020 10:17pm

Nice technique, guy. I like when it gets low and rumbly, that really wets my whistle.

ZApril 27, 2020 9:46am

Thank you, definitely cool to see multiple reactions to one part.

nickApril 27, 2020 9:43am

we’re all feelin for you <3 i think this whole piece has a great shape structurally and dynamically—very natural. for me, for 1:56, that's all the dynamics I need. and the "give a laugh" melody+chord=moment is worth having built this site in the first place.

peterApril 26, 2020 9:49pm

Love that vocal percussion

ZApril 27, 2020 9:43am

Danke babe

nickApril 27, 2020 9:22am

god do i love the quality of voice memos. super interesting description. i think keeping it to a snapshot of the performance is important, and like people said, a little credit goes a long way.

Sam PearceApril 27, 2020 1:27am

Don’t know much about the catbus, but if the cats will be spinning this, I’m in!

Sam PearceApril 27, 2020 1:24am

Really like this one too, dude. It’s inviting. A nice to space to sit in.

Sam PearceApril 27, 2020 1:24am

*a nice space

Sam PearceApril 27, 2020 1:07am

I think “too dark” would depend on the metric you want to use, but too dark to enjoy, definitely not! I appreciate how much propulsion you get out of just the one guitar. I thought old of English, Irish, American revenge songs. I don’t know examples off the top of my head, but from the little I know, that kind of narrative is one of the oldest traditions in songwriting and I like this modern one.

Sam PearceApril 27, 2020 1:00am

Feels good to listen to. And I like how the guitar plays the vocal melody. I appreciate the impression that the song is everything it was meant to be with nothing artificial in excess of that.

Sam PearceApril 27, 2020 12:52am

Shoot, I keep clicking to listen and losing my comment 🙂 I love the main melody. It’s disturbing and enchanting and I could enjoy listening to it for much longer than it’s duration in the song. To me this sounds like reassurance in a time of pain. I just clicked again to try to hear if you’re singing “oh the devil will pass”, or something else, but either way that’s the sentiment that comes through to me.

aubspeepsApril 27, 2020 12:46am

i like the synth solo as well, i really like how it pairs with the jazzier chords and vocalizations. your voice is great too

Sam PearceApril 27, 2020 12:31am

Well, that was sick. I can’t see any ethical problems with using the performance the way you did for just our consumption. I guess the question gets more complicated if you release it more broadly (because I think it’s worthy of more people hearing it, if you wanted to incorporate it into a release.) Personally, I think it’s the most unequivocally okay when it’s totally unrecognizable, like it is for the middle of the song. I can’t think of of a sound analogy, but maybe it’s like using an unrecognizable fragment of a person’s image, instead of their whole image, in visual art. Or, on the chance you got the artist’s info, you could contact and credit them! Either way, it’s an awesome listen.

aubspeepsApril 27, 2020 12:00am

the vocals and the melody are so beautiful and emotional, I think the instinct to record a first take is smart for conveying a feeling, it’s where a lot of the artist’s emotions lie and can be very vulnerable and beautiful to listen to. great job! i also wouldn’t have thought this was a first take if you hadn’t mentioned it

aubspeepsApril 26, 2020 10:37pm

yeah wow church in space is a great way of putting this; i want to go to the planet this is from. really cool really cool

froebusinessApril 26, 2020 9:54pm

Berg this is dope as hell. It’s like a church service in space in the year 3000. +1 for the Gorillaz influence, love that track.

KristophApril 26, 2020 10:33pm

thanks bud!

BenApril 26, 2020 9:09pm

Yo Chris this awesome. I often forget that you’re a seriously skilled and creative musician (even tho i think i first met you at one of your shows) because you’re humble as fuck about it and you don’t scream in my face about your musicianship with zoom concert live streams, new mixtapes, and campfire singalongs. When i think of you, i think newsman first, music and cultural critic second, staunch defensive presence/glue guy third, but now i have to rethink that list. This was a fucking trip and i really really enjoyed it.

KristophApril 26, 2020 10:33pm

Well this is just too nice.

ZApril 26, 2020 10:22pm

Man, first feedback I gave was on Nora’s tune, oddly enough yours is the final one I’ve gotten to listen to.

Between 9-10:30 I’ve heard from a lot of minds experiencing this whole thing in totally different ways.

Maybe I feel closure listening to your track because it’s the end of the sesh but.. really great to hear what this is like for you ‘on the other side.’

Really beautiful, sending you astral beef.

Love,
– Z

agasthyaApril 26, 2020 10:22pm

WOW! super fun beat!! Reminds me of Las Ketchup in the absolute best way.

agasthyaApril 26, 2020 10:20pm

this is vibey af. so great.

ZApril 26, 2020 10:17pm

That is a STRICT adherence to parameters, props m8

Can’t weigh in on electronic drums either but,

Pretty sure I saw a cat at the end there..

ZApril 26, 2020 10:15pm

If this was a waltz I might say “too dark,” but this is the blues babay.

I say this with brow furrowed in satisfaction: great lyrics dude man.

I read this as strength to let go of the past, and confidence in the authenticity of one’s deeds, truth always grows up eventually.

Alternate title: Happy Spring, Bitch.

Too dark?

froebusinessApril 26, 2020 10:14pm

Songwriting.

froebusinessApril 26, 2020 10:12pm

Yeah guy. Love the rhythmic synth backbone, sexy polyrhythms, and the subterranean vocals.

KristophApril 26, 2020 10:11pm

Love the direction of the track with the shift into those funky fresh sounds at the back end. Listened through a couple of times and get lost in it each time.

peterApril 26, 2020 10:06pm

quack! quack! quack! quack!

this is going to be in my head all week, and i love it.

i think the bass added some lushness and helped fill out the percussion here. was there a sound you were shooting for? do you have any song-examples with drum sounds/space/clarity you haven’t been able to replicate?

ZApril 26, 2020 10:02pm

Way to upgrade from one chord to two. If we’re talking stats, notice that my title actually had two more syllables than yours.

You know I could (and will, in person) go on about the emotional impact of this knowing you, your family, and it’s total mass in your oeuvre.

I know that this is funny not because we’ve been mates along time, but because I’m confident that “get beers and go back to work” is something Chaucer would laugh at.

Way to ask for precise feedback:

Definitely like the small lyrical world. Although it’s not really “small” so much as it’s compact and high-impact, which is really a strong suit of yours.

Amazing job as always.
Love,
– Z

ZApril 26, 2020 10:04pm

Sorry, meant to leave this on rotator..

froebusinessApril 26, 2020 9:58pm

Production is off the chain here my dude. I don’t know if you palindromed correctly…I don’t even know if I palindromed correctly! Love the different production on the vocals in the different sections especially – hard to make that switch cohesive, but it works really well.

froebusinessApril 26, 2020 9:56pm

Feel better Nora. I really love your melody here and the breathiness in your vocal lines.. Sometimes simple is the best.

froebusinessApril 26, 2020 9:55pm

Very wholesome. Nice job with the palindromic melody too.

froebusinessApril 26, 2020 9:52pm

I think it’s totally cool to use samples like you did as long as you make them your own, which you did very well. Heady vibes.

ZApril 26, 2020 9:40pm

Great palindrome with inverted exclamation – what came first, the vibe or the title? Either way – perfect.

I don’t have feedback regarding mixes because I only mix brownie batter, but one thing I would say is this:

I really like the lyrics, rhythm is on point, I’m wondering what it would be like at a faster tempo. Might make it feel more like you’re just breezing through this “madam’s” bullshit. Faster tempo might emphasize the “Ain’t nobody got time for that” component.

Awesome work, looking forward to singing and dancing to this at the NCBC party, just make sure you change your shirt first.

Love,
-Z

ZApril 26, 2020 9:33pm

You are one hip lad. I get a weird mixture of feelings reading IG posts about people getting fucked up at home. Sometimes I think the jokes are funny… other times they just make me feel sad. This song managed to blend some of those disparate emotions into something cohesive. Makes me think – how do you create content that makes people feel connected by something underneath it all that isn’t base.

Great job Justin.
– Z

ZApril 26, 2020 9:28pm

I really admire your tenacity with this. I was excited to use logic for this recording too but was hamstrung by Covid..

But certainly not the way you have been. I’m really sorry to hear that Nurphgun. I admire your success in infusing some levity (lyrics, notes) into the overall emotional fabric of the piece/moment.

Made me feel at ease in a world gone mad.

Sending you astral honeycrisps.

Love,
-Z

Oh and dynamics – I have no feedback, it sounded really even and I think that’s right for this. And if I had anything to say vocally it would be like a turd criticizing a sunset.

RyanApril 26, 2020 9:26pm

Nora—first off, holy shit. Huge props for committing to finish this despite that fourth parameter. All my respect. Regarding dynamics, I think Jeff Tweedy would be proud. That super patient crescendo starting at the top of the apple section? Yep. Really lovely. Same with that very last melody! Great work.

BenApril 26, 2020 9:23pm

ahh yes, these are the 4over3-or-whatever polyrhythms that i think served as the original foundations of our friendship over a decade ago! This is so cool.

RyanApril 26, 2020 9:16pm

Well this is super, super cool. Absolutely love how many colors you shift in and out of. It’s also just yeah, a full-blown bop. Good question regarding the ethics of sampling another performer. Robin would have a lot to say about this. Largely, I think I’m okay with it so long as the performer is credited, and, if there’s money involved, compensated.

ZApril 26, 2020 9:08pm

What a batshit boogie! Love this, title certainly congruent with the vibe haha. I felt like I was chilling on the beach in the keys in then the earth slowly started tipping, the ocean draining off the edge of the planet. I got sucked in and woke up in Wuhan in December….

alechutsonApril 26, 2020 9:03pm

Lyrics:

Climbing up a ladder you’ve been down before
Little bit unsteady, little bit unsure
A palindrome of patterns in the sky
As fire reignites behind your eye

Splinters tracing down your hands
You tear at them but they just grow right back again
You finally see a vision to the top
You hold on to the feeling in the hopes it never stops

(Chorus:)
Splitting to the surface
Spinning like a rotor
Take you by the throat, honey
Panic taking over
Wash away yourself
In the passing of the water
Pour another drink
For your mother and your father

You feel at ease knowing you’ve been here before
You don’t know when or how, but it’s getting harder to ignore
And if you’ve made it through 100x or more
The journey can’t have killed you, no matter what’s in store

(Chorus)

Climbing up a ladder you’ve been down before
Little bit unsteady, little bit unsure
A palindrome of patterns in the sky
As fire reignites behind your eye

BenApril 22, 2020 7:02pm

YO. the heater. it sounds A LOT like that synth noise at the end of Karma Police

nickApril 26, 2020 8:58pm

wow yes, very true.

nicolemalagodipopeApril 22, 2020 4:02pm

my dude!!

nicolemalagodipopeApril 22, 2020 4:03pm

yeaaaaaah

RyanApril 25, 2020 4:08pm

Yeeeeeah

nurphgunApril 22, 2020 8:00pm

There was a tweet that went around the other day that said something to the effect of “mostly i feel fine but every three days i spiral into a pit of hell” and i agreed with that and i think this song is the anthem of that wonky third day. i feel like this is an unexpected anthem. you truly captured an era with this one.

RyanApril 23, 2020 6:16pm

+1 for fucking sure

juliapikerApril 23, 2020 6:06pm

Chris this made me feel warm. I’ve never heard you sing, but you have such a funky country style voice. i love it

juliapikerApril 23, 2020 6:04pm

Nora your voice is like butter<3

nurphgunApril 22, 2020 8:07pm

Ryan, this is so beautiful, and it makes me sad, in a nice way. In heavy times I think it’s the lightheartedness that makes it so moving. The way you say “motor, saheekuhl” tugs at my heartstrangs. And yeah, the bridge.

RyanApril 23, 2020 4:30pm

Thanks for the kind words, Nora. In the fortune cookie of life, ‘sad in a nice way’ is the fortune pretty freaking often, I think lol. Funny how we usually can’t hear our own pronunciations but it carries a lot of meaning—thanks for reminding me of that.

BenApril 23, 2020 12:11pm

Yeah, wow! your voice is: CLOSE and PRESENT.
this was sick

BenApril 23, 2020 12:08pm

Chris, great to hear your twangy voice. Why do I want to make a Negroni or something right now?

justinalbanielApril 23, 2020 11:52am

eeesh such a hot sample, such a chill sound

peterApril 21, 2020 9:59pm

i’m not sure who you are but this is great vibes. excited to check out more of your stuff. what did you use for your household object?

justinalbanielApril 23, 2020 11:48am

Appreciate the words, the drumbeat was all household items: bottle cap kick, bottle cap snare, candle-wick trimmer hihat, and tote back shaker-thing

nickApril 21, 2020 10:51pm

dude this so tiiight. im deadass trying to listen to this.

justinalbanielApril 23, 2020 11:47am

thanks nick haha, sweet site really

RyanApril 22, 2020 11:17am

Justin! Thanks for being here, man. This track is excellent. Love the vocal sound. Also dig the paper rub, if that’s what that little sound is. Is the chorus vocal a sample or you? Either way love the treatment.

justinalbanielApril 23, 2020 11:45am

Thanks man! Thanks for having me 🙂 That sound was me rubbing my nails on a tote bag and that vocal sound is me singing falsetto covering my mouth with my hands, pressed for time haha

froebusinessApril 22, 2020 1:09pm

This track fucks.

justinalbanielApril 23, 2020 11:43am

oh fucc

autumnmouthApril 22, 2020 1:51pm

so soft and warm. would listen as I laid in bed another 5 minutes in the morning or if I was cocooning for a night in my room. the pen clicks (?) make the atmospheric quality all the more poignant.

justinalbanielApril 23, 2020 11:42am

What a cozy image haha, and I used my candle wick trimmer haha — a very satisfying sound.

aubspeepsApril 22, 2020 4:56pm

yes very into the sounds you used and awesome vocals

justinalbanielApril 23, 2020 11:41am

thanks so much!

nurphgunApril 22, 2020 9:05pm

This is beautiful. Such a catchy melody. I feel old for saying this but it has a cool vintage 2013ish vibe.

justinalbanielApril 23, 2020 11:41am

Haha awesome, I think that was a good year?

nurphgunApril 22, 2020 8:24pm

This song exudes sweet nostalgia effortlessly (just like Ryan’s submission to this assignment). There’s some nice ~early~ Father John Misty energy to it. Love it.

BenApril 23, 2020 9:43am

realizing, just now, how much some early FJM totally does the Elvis thing. luscious, over the top vocals, little flourishes here and there. some of their beltiest belts seem to get their resonance from around the same neighborhood in the throat.

froebusinessApril 23, 2020 12:06am

It’s wacky AND cool as fuck at the same time…not sure how you pulled that off. Nice work.

froebusinessApril 23, 2020 12:05am

Evocative, soothing, and alluring. Love those layered vocals. I’m a sucker for layered vocals.

nurphgunApril 22, 2020 8:39pm

Yesss. This is right up my alley. I love your singing and the way you pronounce words in this tune. Blind Melon vibes.

froebusinessApril 22, 2020 10:45pm

Thanks Nora! Glad you dig it 🙂

alechutsonApril 22, 2020 2:46pm

Love the lead guitar line, and your stories are always the best. Compliments to the chef

froebusinessApril 22, 2020 10:45pm

Thank you beb.

autumnmouthApril 22, 2020 9:09pm

boy…..yup

nurphgunApril 22, 2020 8:59pm

Idk if it’s the quarantine or what but all these songs are fucking me up and this is no exception. It’s sad and lovely and it makes me want a drink. And that’s Kendra chilling in the back there? So sweet. Can’t wait to hear more.

nurphgunApril 22, 2020 8:49pm

Love this. So pretty.

nurphgunApril 22, 2020 8:45pm

This is such a sweet anecdote. It’s a short tune but it says everything. Beautiful <3

nurphgunApril 22, 2020 8:36pm

YESSSSS. This. You write the catchiest melodies. Big mood.

TengoApril 22, 2020 8:27pm

Just a casual TOUR DE FORCE. Holy fuck.

nurphgunApril 22, 2020 8:13pm

I love this. It captures so well the quick oscillation between total boredom and total anxiety that’s a fixture of life right now.

RyanApril 22, 2020 6:29pm

Did anyone else fall in and out of love with like, five different chords during this experience?

autumnmouthApril 22, 2020 6:04pm

the vocals are so…bloated. and at the end, I imagine you looking up out of a tunnel and squinting at a hazy sun

KristophApril 22, 2020 5:01pm

Daw, guys! Expect my forthcoming backwoods country album hitting shelves at the end of the world.
Didn’t know there were comment sections on tracks! All your songs gave me life.

nicolemalagodipopeApril 22, 2020 4:06pm

miss you. miss NY too.

RyanApril 22, 2020 4:35pm

I will roll out the carpet for you when the world re-opens

nickApril 21, 2020 10:47pm

hey man this sounds like a damn song, you’re gonna scare people.

nickApril 21, 2020 10:48pm

but seriously, love it. and 148 jaques is v touched to be enshrined in kershaw lyricdom.

RyanApril 22, 2020 4:35pm

143, 148.

agasthyaApril 22, 2020 4:34pm

thanks yall!!

froebusinessApril 21, 2020 9:15pm

Space Force delivers.

RyanApril 22, 2020 4:34pm

From a safe distance

alechutsonApril 22, 2020 3:05pm

excellent job on this one dude, i love the lyrical storytelling

RyanApril 22, 2020 4:34pm

Thank you sir

autumnmouthApril 22, 2020 2:02pm

the guitar at the end is so bright! I am boppin!!

RyanApril 22, 2020 4:33pm

Thank you! Was kind of thinking what better time to lean into bubblegum pop than on a song that has only one chord?

BenApril 22, 2020 11:23am

your first mix? well i’d say you have a bright future ahead of you, kid. just stay out of trouble

BenApril 22, 2020 11:23am

also welcome to my exclusive club of neon chefs who used the word “cigs” in their first song

RyanApril 22, 2020 4:31pm

very proud to be a member of your club #cigs

peterApril 22, 2020 4:28pm

one of the most nourishing things i’ve heard.
also- favorite household object.
so excited to hear more.

BenApril 22, 2020 1:18pm

yo alec. this is already catchy on first listen

alechutsonApril 22, 2020 2:54pm

thanks Bon 🙂

peterApril 22, 2020 4:26pm

totally, i found myself humming along to this as i spaced out during a meeting and was asked to put myself on mute

nicolemalagodipopeApril 22, 2020 4:02pm

so beautiful, aubrey! thank you for this. an equally eerie and comfortable space to sit inside.

nickApril 22, 2020 3:56pm

pencils out, y’all

nicolemalagodipopeApril 22, 2020 3:55pm

fuck yeah my dude.

RyanApril 22, 2020 11:53am

I’m pretty sure exactly what the doctor ordered was horn stabs in a track that sounds like Fiona Apple swallowed J-Lo whole.

nickApril 22, 2020 3:55pm

L-O-L

nicolemalagodipopeApril 22, 2020 3:54pm

this song is incredibly cool you are a bad. ass. One of the stranger in the batch. Can’t. stop. listening.

nicolemalagodipopeApril 22, 2020 3:50pm

WOOO!!!

nicolemalagodipopeApril 22, 2020 3:46pm

v cute

nicolemalagodipopeApril 22, 2020 3:45pm

hahaha honestly just gets better and better.

nicolemalagodipopeApril 22, 2020 3:36pm

so sweet Laurel! Really love this little tune.

alechutsonApril 22, 2020 3:07pm

dude sound design on this is on point, your vocals are bare and unique. great job!

nickApril 22, 2020 3:32pm

yeah the intro with headphones is something else

nickApril 22, 2020 3:23pm

heart so full to have you here rockin out

autumnmouthApril 22, 2020 1:53pm

always admired how your lyrics say the most with the least.

nickApril 22, 2020 3:10pm

<3

RyanApril 22, 2020 11:20am

Is the heater that whistling thing in the back? I love it. Sounds like a synth tweaking out. Who needs Moog when you’ve got Boston’s 1970s heating systems. Also, you’ve become a master of the lazy vocal—sits way back in the pocket so nice. Tryina #learnfromyou

nickApril 22, 2020 3:09pm

it’s funny with the heater because I do a lot of voice-over recording for work, and the heater is my arch nemesis. finally got a voice memo of it, dropped it into the track, and was surprised at how un-annoying and eventually lovely it became as a texture.

RyanApril 22, 2020 11:30am

Yep. Into this. Super strong melody and perfect arrangement for it. Bravo on the honest lyrics, too. Really dig them.

alechutsonApril 22, 2020 3:00pm

thanks ryan, i really appreciate that!

froebusinessApril 21, 2020 9:20pm

Love it. Really created a smooth and evocative groove with the found percussion. It works for ol’ Joey boy. It works.

alechutsonApril 22, 2020 2:59pm

oui chef!

daeclanApril 21, 2020 9:03pm

this is so nice & warm 🙂

is that a melodica ? inspiring me to dust mine off even if it ain’t. gg wp

nickApril 21, 2020 10:44pm

yeah this guy knows his way around a melodica. great sound, alec.

alechutsonApril 22, 2020 2:59pm

you are correct 🙂 dust off those keys!

aubspeepsApril 22, 2020 11:59am

this is great i love your voice

alechutsonApril 22, 2020 2:58pm

thank you!

alechutsonApril 22, 2020 2:57pm

haunting and soothing at the same time

agasthyaApril 21, 2020 9:20pm

love the scissors (is that what they are??)

alechutsonApril 22, 2020 2:55pm

Film camera 🙂

alechutsonApril 22, 2020 2:52pm

damn this is fiiiire. gives me some My Brightest Diamond vibes.

alechutsonApril 22, 2020 2:48pm

super digging the percussion on this, ry! also, always a fan of octaved vocals. great job!

alechutsonApril 22, 2020 2:47pm

FUK YEsss so much energy.

alechutsonApril 22, 2020 2:45pm

this is a mood <3

alechutsonApril 22, 2020 2:43pm

So vibey. Love this, and the heater gives such a nice underlying texture

autumnmouthApril 22, 2020 2:09pm

oh hell, yeah. the twang hits real refreshing.

autumnmouthApril 22, 2020 1:58pm

The other day I was a lil high and watching torrential rain drench and flood my street within a matter of minutes, and started imagining a world where it rained for an entire month, since getting used to long-term realities with major parameters has been a THING. When I started writing about it, it slowed down and stopped by the second line. I just said, “oh. nvm.” and laughed. Feeling that in your earthquake fantasy.

BenApril 22, 2020 1:22pm

BUMPING THIS SO LOUDLY

BenApril 22, 2020 1:16pm

WOAH

BenApril 22, 2020 1:13pm

The phrasing in this is amazing. The “iiiIiIIiIIiiIiIiIIiiiiIiiIIiii think of you often” is haunting.
Great tones all over this piece, so many melodies, widespread eeriness.

froebusinessApril 22, 2020 1:02pm

This is so pure.

autumnmouthApril 22, 2020 11:58am

Ahhhh, thanks y’all! I’m excited to get pushed to do more. I’ve written lyrics and little melodies but it’s always been aimless and to just get things out in a moment, and I played piano as a kid but never wrote anything myself.

Lyrics:

I don’t miss Rendon
Twice the porches, half the tension
Chances to work it out abound
But damn, I’m tired now, I’m tired now

Oranges, Oranges
The house paneling, Juice’s furry head
I walk straight out the house!
My room just spit me out.
The sunlight was unstoppable,
So I couldn’t keep my eyes closed

Discussions, Discussions
1am in the kitchen, time to listen, grifts never a question
I walk straight out the house!
The Quarter just pulled me out
Guffawing tourists rang my bell,
So I couldn’t keep my head down.

Remember the time the ghost struck?
Pulled out papers and put them up.
On top the cabinets our best stuff,
from the foretelling of the Waters.

Remember the time the sun rose?
Rolled out earlier that day than most.
Let stigma and science go,
Bathed in the warm Bayou waters.

RyanApril 22, 2020 11:50am

Jonny—so dope. Absolutely love the keys part that grounds the whole thing. Fittingly, the darkness of all these sounds made me feel like they were born in a bunker.

aubspeepsApril 22, 2020 11:47am

oh yes. just yes. fantastically surprising

RyanApril 22, 2020 11:43am

Big into this track. Love the piano part, love the vocal sound, love the freaking TITLE. Great use of a big fat rest right before the main piano part comes back in.

aubspeepsApril 22, 2020 11:40am

yeah this is so freakin rad. I’m pretty obsessed with this, I would have never thought you hadn’t done this in 3 years this sounds like its ready for an album

RyanApril 22, 2020 11:37am

Pfff dude this is so sick. Love all the characters you play in your work. You are a truly entertaining one-man ensemble. Genius work with the ‘chord’—killer sound.

nickApril 21, 2020 10:32pm

yeah definitely post these lyrics. pretty bad ass shaker entrance. big fan all around.

aubspeepsApril 22, 2020 11:35am

thank you so much

froebusinessApril 21, 2020 9:49pm

Hauntingly beautiful stuff. Love your vocals.

aubspeepsApril 22, 2020 11:34am

thank you!!

RyanApril 21, 2020 9:27pm

Aubrey this is freaking beautiful. And I love the recording, too. Equal parts intimate and eerie. Rad chord choice, too. Would love to see the lyrics if you wanted to post them on the ‘about’ section of the track at some point!

aubspeepsApril 22, 2020 11:34am

wow thank you so much this means so much to me! i am fairly inexperienced when it comes to logic and software so this is going to be a good challenge for me to get better, everyones stuff for this assignment (yours included) is so rad

aubspeepsApril 22, 2020 11:32am

grinning from ear to ear listening to this

RyanApril 22, 2020 11:27am

Dude, this is a great song. I will return to listen to this. And I love you and Kenny’s voice together! Seconding Nick’s comment about section variation with strumming patterns, too. I’ve always loved your style, Bergo.

RyanApril 22, 2020 11:25am

Yo also. Such confidence in the nakedness of your vocal. Absolutely love the timbre and delivery. May I borrow some of your gumption?

froebusinessApril 21, 2020 9:35pm

Hi, Ben. Could you please chart this out? Thank you very much. Love, Joe.

BenApril 22, 2020 11:17am

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BenApril 22, 2020 11:16am

woah i loved this.

BenApril 22, 2020 11:14am

that Elvis sample is SO warm. This was a smashing success.

peterApril 22, 2020 11:01am

hi kendo.

agasthyaApril 22, 2020 10:49am

love the section that starts at 1:05!

daeclanApril 21, 2020 9:15pm

i get panda bear vibes from the production and bends era radiohead in the vocals, both in the best way possible. this was mad delightful, man. is that a sample or you singing in the loop?

nickApril 22, 2020 10:30am

The King baby, Love Me

froebusinessApril 22, 2020 1:14am

Chills and tears. Is that Zack Efron in your profile pic? Must be. Gotta be.

lazyrabbitApril 22, 2020 12:47am

Fuck. Yes.

lazyrabbitApril 22, 2020 12:45am

I dig it

RyanApril 21, 2020 11:51pm

This is a sweet harmonic area for you, Joe. Love how open it is and how it suits your voice. You’re a master of deceivingly simple guitar lines.

Also yeah, what a great freaking story.

froebusinessApril 22, 2020 12:26am

Thank you, Shaw-daddy.

daeclanApril 22, 2020 12:20am

the last thirty seconds of this fucked me uppppppppp. whole thing is magic, but really fun way to surprise & delight.

daeclanApril 22, 2020 12:18am

A RUBBER BAND? gtfo man this sounds great. fun choices & general vibe-age.

nickApril 21, 2020 10:50pm

*read my obit like a barcode*

nickApril 21, 2020 10:51pm

also, really great use of the soft metal weed jar cap.

daeclanApril 22, 2020 12:15am

thanks for listenin’, haha i wanted to make sure people understood the whole jar was getting fair play.

peterApril 21, 2020 9:10pm

ohhhhhhhh shit this is dopeeee

daeclanApril 22, 2020 12:15am

thanks peter 😀 u are the art-co-tect!

RyanApril 21, 2020 10:18pm

Big dig here, my dude. Love the bass movement. Did you perform or program it?

daeclanApril 22, 2020 12:14am

thanks man, that’s my telecaster digitally dropped an octave 🙂

RyanApril 21, 2020 11:53pm

Pfff Nora this is sick. Absolutely love the use of samples and found sound. I could picture you developing a whole world with these tools.

nickApril 21, 2020 10:41pm

this is really just an incredible story. voice sounds great, and ill tell you what, i love when that lil guit line comes in and you match it with the vox. big dig.

froebusinessApril 21, 2020 11:08pm

Thank you my dude.

nickApril 21, 2020 10:46pm

chrisss i love this song. great use of variety in strumming to create sections and still really stick on that one chord.

nickApril 21, 2020 10:46pm

also love when the title gets sung

nickApril 21, 2020 10:45pm

yo what a thrill to hear your voice! sounds great, excited to hear more.

nickApril 21, 2020 10:43pm

what the freakin heck?!?! so strange and kickass. fucked up and awesome. blown away with this approach. love it.

nickApril 21, 2020 10:38pm

yeah we had to do this one a few times. you are the timbaland of our generation.

nickApril 21, 2020 10:34pm

tears, brother.

nickApril 21, 2020 10:33pm

if i had a book, this would be #1 in it.

nickApril 21, 2020 10:33pm

god you should have seen nicole’s face—so proud.

peterApril 21, 2020 10:18pm

holy tammytamango this has been the most requested track at our 4 person club tonight

peterApril 21, 2020 9:56pm

that fucking heater

agasthyaApril 21, 2020 9:17pm

LOVE the vocals on this

peterApril 21, 2020 9:55pm

+1

froebusinessApril 21, 2020 9:42pm

Triangulate signals.

RyanApril 21, 2020 9:41pm

I want to go to this party. Big into this vibe. Post these lyrics, sisterrrrr!

froebusinessApril 21, 2020 9:41pm

Hell yeah. I love the energy in this. Lyrical content and cadence match the attitude perfectly throughout too. Really dope track.

RyanApril 21, 2020 9:38pm

So freaking heartwarming my dude. Also holler at you getting that one big luscious papa chord in there.

agasthyaApril 21, 2020 9:36pm

“water”, “daughter” delivery is GOOD!!

agasthyaApril 21, 2020 9:34pm

holy shit this is wild

RyanApril 21, 2020 9:31pm

Dude. Yes. Not surprising at all that you would whip up something super original. Really love this and think this is a great place for you to keep experimenting. Also your vocals! <3

agasthyaApril 21, 2020 9:30pm

this is so dang cool

froebusinessApril 21, 2020 9:28pm

Pope, this is dope. I’m especially digging the vocal components to this dish. Love that melody.

agasthyaApril 21, 2020 9:28pm

percussion sounds dope on this!! love the little section at 0:43

daeclanApril 21, 2020 9:12pm

i can’t wait ’til we can get arrested for stealing motobikes again :,)

fr tho, real beautiful, ryan. really well produced too. curious what ur household obj-o’s were

RyanApril 21, 2020 9:24pm

Thanks Decooo. My household objects were a trash can and a trash bag full of recycling. You can hear them most clearly at the beginning of the track. Then they get folded into the drum samples.

daeclanApril 21, 2020 9:24pm

i felt like i was in the room with you, and am laughing out the fuck loud. fun interp, brother.

RyanApril 21, 2020 9:23pm

Gang—holy smokes. You’re all incredible.

froebusinessApril 21, 2020 9:22pm

Nora, your voice is so good ahh. Love the sampling here too. *heart emoji*

agasthyaApril 21, 2020 9:21pm

wow wow wow this is too cool

BenApril 21, 2020 9:01pm

lets gooooo

nickApril 21, 2020 2:48pm

Reallly digging into this chord

BenApril 21, 2020 4:40pm

lots of strings broken